quickman Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 JimH said: I think that's a fair assumption. My guess is the White Sox won't be able to afford him though. agreed, they will try to get him on the cheap. won't get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 you don't offer Clement more than $7 million a year, he isn't worth it, even though he made $6 mil this past season. The reason is simple, he has yet to win more than 15 games or lose less than 10 games. I'm a fan of his and realize he didn't get much support last year, but a 9-13 record and 180 innings isn't worth $8+ million a year. it all depends how much Clement wants to stay in Chicago. If he really wants to stay, I say the Sox should offer him a four-year deal at $24 million or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 He was speaking about how flattered he was that the White Sox had interest in him and how he would love to stay in Chicago on Comcast a few weeks back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Agreed Mario. I think there will be another trade and it will bring in a starting pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlackSox8 Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 i'd think if he wants to stay in chicago..the sox would interest him more than the cubs. just my opinion.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 JimH said: Agreed Mario. I think there will be another trade and it will bring in a starting pitcher. Boy, I hope so. The Free Agent SP market is looking very slim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 JimH said: Agreed Mario. I think there will be another trade and it will bring in a starting pitcher. Who else do we really have that we can trade for a starter? I think konerko has to stay now unless kw gets blown away by an offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 To have KW say they may keep money saved until June/July is crazy, with current team as is he may not have a job by then. KW really knows how to fire up the masses for the worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 yeah, that is another way of looking at it. With $7 million they could afford to take on some salary. I just hope Konerko and/or Garland aren't involved. With the loss of Lee, our rotation has to be deep and our offense has to have a player like Konerko in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Soxfest said: To have KW say they may keep money saved until June/July is crazy, with current team as is he may not have a job by then. KW really knows how to fire up the masses for the worse. there is no reason for him to save the money until June. While I think this team can hold up and be competitive as is, there is no point in waiting, especially with the all questions that already exist. A starter to complete this rotation is very important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Molto said: there is no reason for him to save the money until June. While I think this team can hold up and be competitive as is, there is no point in waiting, especially with the all questions that already exist. A starter to complete this rotation is very important. I agree 100% but i heard him say it and KW should know better than to say that bulls*** tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 qwerty said: Who else do we really have that we can trade for a starter? I think konerko has to stay now unless kw gets blown away by an offer. Interesting point. Anyone is tradeable, unless a guy is hurt or is a 10/5 guy, i.e. Frank Thomas. There are still tons of scenarios out there, complicated even more by the upcoming non tender deadline. Gobs of players will be available. Yes, they'd have to bring in guys to replace them, but lots of White Sox guys have value. We don't know who's available from other teams. Konerko is more valuable to the White Sox tonite than he was this morning, for sure. But if the deal is right, anyone can be traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 JimH said: Interesting point. Anyone is tradeable, unless a guy is hurt or is a 10/5 guy, i.e. Frank Thomas. There are still tons of scenarios out there, complicated even more by the upcoming non tender deadline. Gobs of players will be available. Yes, they'd have to bring in guys to replace them, but lots of White Sox guys have value. We don't know who's available from other teams. Konerko is more valuable to the White Sox tonite than he was this morning, for sure. But if the deal is right, anyone can be traded. keep trading, we didn't win with this team so overhaul it. We need to keep getting faster and better. Anyword on the third guy yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 quickman said: keep trading, we didn't win with this team so overhaul it. We need to keep getting faster and better. Anyword on the third guy yet? I have a feeling you're right. Konerko could be gone as well. Gload seems to be one of the new players KW is looking for. Faster, more defense, less power. Nobody knows but KW where this team is headed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 quickman said: Anyword on the third guy yet? You'll be the first to know, I'm serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 JimH said: You'll be the first to know, I'm serious. The heavy rumor is Mitch Stetter, relief pitcher in the minors...nothing special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 JimH said: You'll be the first to know, I'm serious. well probably faster than you. you will be out walking your dog while the news is breaking. get a better grip on yourself. now let go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Flash Tizzle said: Williams believes media's obsession with hot stove talk has impeded his ability to search for talent. Specifically said he'd be able to "sleep easier at night" if attention wasn't so intense. This guy'll never be able to sleep at night though. He's KW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 JimH said: You'll be the first to know, I'm serious. Some guy in the sticky thread just said it's Alex Zumwelt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 quickman said: well probably faster than you. you will be out walking your dog while the news is breaking. get a better grip on yourself. now let go. So ... exactly how much do you really know about getting a grip on yourself? Never mind, I just got the mental visual, you know what I'm sayin'. Just got back with the dog in fact, it's freezing out there. Arizona is looking better and better by the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 JimH said: Interesting point. Anyone is tradeable, unless a guy is hurt or is a 10/5 guy, i.e. Frank Thomas. There are still tons of scenarios out there, complicated even more by the upcoming non tender deadline. Gobs of players will be available. Yes, they'd have to bring in guys to replace them, but lots of White Sox guys have value. We don't know who's available from other teams. Konerko is more valuable to the White Sox tonite than he was this morning, for sure. But if the deal is right, anyone can be traded. You're not going to find any quality starters among the non-tenders, maybe a platoon MIFer or a certain catcher from the Giants but that's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 3E8 said: Some guy in the sticky thread just said it's Alex Zumwelt. He was the PTBNL in the Kolb deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 I have officialy adopted the position of advocating the overpaying of Matt Clement. They need to pull out all the stops to get him. He'd thrive on the Southside and would complete the best divison in the AL Central and one of the best in the entire American League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 upnorthsox said: You're not going to find any quality starters among the non-tenders, maybe a platoon MIFer or a certain catcher from the Giants but that's about it. I was referring to finding a 1B if Konerko gets traded and a 1B doesn't come back in return. A starting pitcher will have to come via trade IMO, it's sticker shock right now. The Kris Benson thing sent everything out of whack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 DBAH0 said: He was the PTBNL in the Kolb deal. And isn't very good. Very high ERA last year, and coming off of a disappointing season. I think a lot of us got our hopes up about the PTBNL, but it's becoming obvious that it's likely to be nothing special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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