fathom Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 The DBacks already have one butcher of an outfielder in Luis Gonzalez on their roster, no way would they want Everett on their roster also. They need a CF, and obviously Everett is not a CF. So anyone that thinks this deal would be Everett, and not Rowand, is 99.9 pct wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Screw it. Johnson is not worth it. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted December 15, 2004 Author Share Posted December 15, 2004 If we add that much payroll, Grilli or Scho will be our 2005 fifth starter. I'd have to think Jerry and Eddie would authorize more cash to sign another starter. Johnson atleast from a money stand point would pay for himself in less than a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Who wants the deal more? The D-backs trying to be respectable or the Sox thinking he's the missing piece? We'll have to overpay to get this done. The D backs have to get rid of RJ with all their new contracts coming on board. the price for RJ goes down and could keep on going as team fill their SP holes. Their asking for Garcia/ Buehrle crap has at least stopped. This is actually getting semi reasonable if some tweaks are made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Or Cotts, or BMac, and maybe JR would be willing to up the payroll a little to fill out the team if we had RJ. Cotts needs a full season of triple a in my opinion and bmac should not even be considered yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 The DBacks already have one butcher of an outfielder in Luis Gonzalez on their roster, no way would they want Everett on their roster also. They need a CF, and obviously Everett is not a CF. So anyone that thinks this deal would be Everett, and not Rowand, is 99.9 pct wrong. I agree, they have wanted him the entire time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Cotts needs a full season of triple a in my opinion and bmac should not even be considered yet. Neal is close. That year of working out of the pen will serve him well. Besides unless something happens, Neal will be the 2nd lefty out of the pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 What is all this talk about signing Alvarez for the 5th spot if we get Johnson? Didn't he re-sign with LA? You have got to be kidding me they will not get our best outfielder in Rowand, our best releiver in Marte, our 4th starter in Garland (who would dominate in AZ), our best OF prospect in Sweeney and another top of the line prospect for one year of Johnson!!! I agree Everett instead of Rowand is a HUGE difference but to give up Garland, which still leaves a hole in our rotation, to give up our top prospects and Marte for one year of Johnson is insane. Dammit!! I gaurentee you KW would do this type of deal if true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 I'd be for the trade If the starting outfielder is Carl Everett: Garland, Everett, Marte, Anderson, and a mid-level prospect. However, and many of you will tell me this is stupid, this is contingent on the Sox signing Scho to a contract and putting him in Marte's role. I don't think Scho is as good as Marte, but he's a very good pitcher. Thats good value for the Dbacks who get a closer in Marte (signed affordably) a pitcher in Garland, a good prospect in Anderson and a prospect. They also get Everett who I guess can play left or right for them. Sox payroll pretty much stays what it was prior to making the Lee deal which means they still have 2-3 million. However, they do need to find a 5th starter still, but this becomes less of an issue with RJ at the top of the rotation. At the same time I don't want Grilli starting so I'd look to pick up a cheaper starter like Elo or Alvarez. I would make that trade...in a heartbeat in fact. Marte and Garland are good guys, Anderson is a who knows and Everett gone means the Sox use Gload more as a DH, until Big Frank comes back. However, I think the Sox making this move, JR should up payroll to 80 mill. Which would give the Sox 5-7 mill left after the deal to sure up some possible holes. RJ Garcia Buehrle Contreras Elo/Alvarez/Gil Meche Takatsu Hermy Scho Vizcaino Politte Cotts Spod Uribe Rowand Konerko Dye Gload Crede Davis/Burke Harris OR (sign Pyrz after the deal - note this is before Thomas comes back) Spod Rowand Konerko Dye Pyrz Uribe Gload Crede Harris Lineup isn't necessarily amazing, but its still average to above average. Once Thomas gets back its even better. Spod Rowand Konerko Frank Dye Pyrz Uribe Crede Harris ****Aaron Rowand CANNOT be part of a RJ trade package - DO NOT DO IT KENNY ******** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 keep in my mind, with the Bo-Sox having just landed Renteria, it's now big George's turn to make a move. Look for him to step up make it interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Seems like AZ wants Burnitz, would play CF my guess. AZ would need a RFer from Rotoworld The Diamondbacks will host free agent Jeromy Burnitz tomorrow. Burnitz's visit follows meetings with Matt Clement on Tuesday and Shawn Estes today. The Diamondbacks seem like the favorites to land Burnitz, who would likely bat fifth behind Troy Glaus. The Mariners also have a fair amount of interest. Dec. 15 - 2:21 pm et Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Neal won't be a starting pitcher in the majors. He only has one pitch that he can count on, and his control is not consistent enough to last 5 innings. Even in the minors, he would only average like 5 innings a start because of control issues. Cotts is effective because of his unique delivery, etc. However, that type of delivery is more effective because hitters only see it once a game when he pitches in relief. Also, Cotts benefits by pitching in relief cause he gets to face more lefties than if he started a game against a set lhp lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Instead of Marte can the Sox dupe them with Schoney?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 I'd be for the trade If the starting outfielder is Carl Everett: Garland, Everett, Marte, Anderson, and a mid-level prospect. However, and many of you will tell me this is stupid, this is contingent on the Sox signing Scho to a contract and putting him in Marte's role. I don't think Scho is as good as Marte, but he's a very good pitcher. Thats good value for the Dbacks who get a closer in Marte (signed affordably) a pitcher in Garland, a good prospect in Anderson and a prospect. They also get Everett who I guess can play left or right for them. Sox payroll pretty much stays what it was prior to making the Lee deal which means they still have 2-3 million. However, they do need to find a 5th starter still, but this becomes less of an issue with RJ at the top of the rotation. At the same time I don't want Grilli starting so I'd look to pick up a cheaper starter like Elo or Alvarez. I would make that trade...in a heartbeat in fact. Marte and Garland are good guys, Anderson is a who knows and Everett gone means the Sox use Gload more as a DH, until Big Frank comes back. However, I think the Sox making this move, JR should up payroll to 80 mill. Which would give the Sox 5-7 mill left after the deal to sure up some possible holes. RJ Garcia Buehrle Contreras Elo/Alvarez/Gil Meche Takatsu Hermy Scho Vizcaino Politte Cotts Spod Uribe Rowand Konerko Dye Gload Crede Davis/Burke Harris OR (sign Pyrz after the deal - note this is before Thomas comes back) Spod Rowand Konerko Dye Pyrz Uribe Gload Crede Harris Lineup isn't necessarily amazing, but its still average to above average. Once Thomas gets back its even better. Spod Rowand Konerko Frank Dye Pyrz Uribe Crede Harris ****Aaron Rowand CANNOT be part of a RJ trade package - DO NOT DO IT KENNY ******** That almost has me excited. I cannot believe all this to try and pass the frickin' Twins :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted December 15, 2004 Author Share Posted December 15, 2004 keep in my mind, with the Bo-Sox having just landed Renteria, it's now big George's turn to make a move. Look for him to step up make it interesting. George isn't going to play games with Arizona, he'll move on. I'm sure they're zeroing in on Beltran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 I think we can all agree that if the sox want to win in 2005 Rowand would not be part of a trade. Everett would be decent for a team that wants to win now-like AZ with their new contracts. Look at the Cubs interest in Jacque Jones, and how quickly guys like Dye and Hidalgo were snatched up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 I think we can all agree that if the sox want to win in 2005 Rowand would not be part of a trade. Everett would be decent for a team that wants to win now-like AZ with their new contracts. Look at the Cubs interest in Jacque Jones, and how quickly guys like Dye and Hidalgo were snatched up beck If the D-backs want to win now, Everett is a good fit Sox want to win now, Rowand is a better fit You have me confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 George isn't going to play games with Arizona, he'll move on. I'm sure they're zeroing in on Beltran. He saw how his staff folded in the playoffs...i'm guessing he would get RJ first. I know he doesn't want to play games, but he also doesn't want to lose. Beltran, while nice, could be another ARod. RJ is a top of theh line starter. Imagine if you will RJ Mussina Pavano Wright El Duque/Brown Not bad, I must say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 He saw how his staff folded in the playoffs...i'm guessing he would get RJ first. I know he doesn't want to play games, but he also doesn't want to lose. Beltran, while nice, could be another ARod. RJ is a top of theh line starter. Imagine if you will RJ Mussina Pavano Wright El Duque/Brown Not bad, I must say. Only the best for the Yankees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted December 15, 2004 Author Share Posted December 15, 2004 Here's how the money angle works if it would be Carl... Carl makes 4 million this year. Marte makes 1.5 million. Garland makes 3.4 million this year. Rowand is under a million as of now.... Dugout Dollars says Randy makes 10.5 million in 05 with 6 million deferred in 2004 and in 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 He saw how his staff folded in the playoffs...i'm guessing he would get RJ first. I know he doesn't want to play games, but he also doesn't want to lose. Beltran, while nice, could be another ARod. RJ is a top of theh line starter. Imagine if you will RJ Mussina Pavano Wright El Duque/Brown Not bad, I must say. I read something saying that its going to be hard for him to get two big name players because of some 40/60 financing rule. So before he makes any big moves in the rotation, he's going to first have to unload Brown or Vazquez, imo. Otherwise there rotation will be filled out. Pavano, Mussina, Vazquez, Brown, Wright. They could still sign Milton, but that would be cause they know Brown is going to get hurt, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 I do agree with fathom though from a couple pages back. I'd much rather get a package for Tim Hudson and sign him to a 3-4 year deal. Younger, playoff experience and probably not as much to give up for him. i'm sure we could find a package that Billy Beane likes. RJ would be a nice 2nd choice, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted December 15, 2004 Author Share Posted December 15, 2004 He saw how his staff folded in the playoffs...i'm guessing he would get RJ first. I know he doesn't want to play games, but he also doesn't want to lose. Beltran, while nice, could be another ARod. RJ is a top of theh line starter. Imagine if you will RJ Mussina Pavano Wright El Duque/Brown Not bad, I must say. In NY when it comes to pitching, it's how are they going to do in the playoffs, regular season means nothing. I know George would love to have him, just seems like Arizona doesn't want to move him there. You forgot Vazquez in that rotation as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 In NY when it comes to pitching, it's how are they going to do in the playoffs, regular season means nothing. I know George would love to have him, just seems like Arizona doesn't want to move him there. You forgot Vazquez in that rotation as well. Vazquez would go in the RJ deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Here's how the money angle works if it would be Carl... Carl makes 4 million this year. Marte makes 1.5 million. Garland makes 3.4 million this year. Rowand is under a million as of now.... Dugout Dollars says Randy makes 10.5 million in 05 with 6 million deferred in 2004 and in 2005. I beleive RJ's contract stipulates taht if he's traded the $6M is no longer deferred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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