KevHead0881 Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 Clement isn't worth $10 mill, but good luck finding a pitcher that won't get overpaid this winter. There are certain positions that I'm willing to overpay at, and starting pitcher is one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
103 mph screwball Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 Delgado wants wayyyy too much money. smilies2_nono.gif True. So does Clement. I'd rather have Burnett 4 mil? + Delgado 14 mil? for my 18 million than Clement and Konerko for 18 million. Thats just one scenerio. Well, if it happens, at least the Sox aren't sitting on the cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 i say do it..... and les just hope our offense isnt as bad as it looks on paper... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 Marte should never be traded and i am serious. He is signed to a ridiculously affordable deal and is a top five left handed reliever in all of baseball. Can actually get right handed hitters unlike 80% of left handed relievers. I agree. Plus I'm thinking about purchasing my Damaso jersey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomsonmi Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 This is a guy, who on his career has been below league average. Can you imagine what Garcia would command on this market? -- Clement, career ERA+, 98 Garcia, career ERA+, 114 Who thinks Jon Garland is overpaid now? Garland career ERA+, 101 If garland has one substancially above average season over the next two years, given continued market inflation, he could be looking at $12M/yr or more. I understand these arguments but part of the attractiveness of Clement is his "stuff." People aren't looking to pay him $8-10 million per year based on his past ERAs, their looking to pay him that because of his "stuff." Garcia on the open market would garner more clearly as he has great "stuff" and a good track record. Eric Milton on the other hand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 http://radio.sportingnews.com/ You can listen to updates online there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxguy Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 If we DO sign Clement I pray to God that our fans don't all wear those goatee things at the games......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shagar69 Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 this is expensive but we have to do it if we are serious. this is just how the market is this year. i mean if ortiz can get 27 mil, clement definitley deservves 30 mil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 Interesting. While I think Clement is a 7mill a year pitcher, this still is a good move for the Sox cause they do need another starter and another starter will really help them. Plus Clement gets strikeouts, is a groundball pitcher, and limits hits. He should have a little more upside, but we shall see. I do fear something happening to his arm. Had he not worn out over the end of the season he'd of gotten even more. Still, I tend to think the Angels are offering 3/27 and not 3/30. If it is in fact 3yr 30 mill then I think the Sox offseason would be over. I also like the idea of Perez at 3yr 22 but who knows if he gets that. There are two legit pitchers left on the market...Perez and Clement. The Dodgers, Angels, Indians, Blue Jays, and Red Sox are all interested in Clement along with the Sox. When Clement goes off the market (to whatever team) then it means all these teams or at least most shift there focus to Perez and his contract will go up as well. I thought if the Sox were going to Perez they would of had to of done it quickly and before Clement is off the market, but in the end I think both will get between 8-10 mill at this point. Someone will overpay for Perez simply because once Clement is off the market, he is by far the best pitcher available via free agency, imo. Millwood is worth it for a team wanting a one year deal, but he's not near as good at this point, while Milton is already asking 7 mill and is garbage compared to Perez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traydragen Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 10 mil. a year for Clement, I say nooo way. Why does everyone have such a hard-on for this guy anyway Why not go after Lowe. He would cost less and would be better. Just because he had one bad year last year, he is a better picther than Clement. He has pitched in the American League the whole time and has far bettter numbers than Clement, who has pitched in National league the whole time.. Say NO to Clement, escecially at that crazy price.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 whatever it takes, get him if its true that we have an offer of 3 years at 30 million, i dont see him signing anywhere else... that is of course contengent on the fact that THE MARS VOLTA RULES! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shagar69 Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 10 mil. a year for Clement, I say nooo way. Why does everyone have such a hard-on for this guy anyway Why not go after Lowe. He would cost less and would be better. Just because he had one bad year last year, he is a better picther than Clement. He has pitched in the American League the whole time and has far bettter numbers than Clement, who has pitched in National league the whole time.. Say NO to Clement, escecially at that crazy price.. lowe is a boras client Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 10 mil. a year for Clement, I say nooo way. Why does everyone have such a hard-on for this guy anyway Why not go after Lowe. He would cost less and would be better. Just because he had one bad year last year, he is a better picther than Clement. He has pitched in the American League the whole time and has far bettter numbers than Clement, who has pitched in National league the whole time.. Say NO to Clement, escecially at that crazy price.. Try a bad last 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevHead0881 Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 Try a bad last 2 years. He's also had, uh, one good year as a starting pitcher. I'd like Lowe as a fallback guy, but Clement is clearly a better option...even at the high price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traydragen Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 lowe is a boras client True..but I read on someone's post of an article where Kenny would have no problem in dealing with a Boras client, if the price was right. And, I know the market for Lowe could not be near 30mil over 3 years. Try a bad last 2 years. hmm...maybe a "below-average" E.R.A. but his win/loss was still 17-7, granted he was pitching for the Boston offense. The year before that, wasn't he up for the CY young or am i just remembering someone else. Clement on the other hand has only had 2 seasons where his record was above .500. What the hell just get a some starting pictching, but I personally would prefer Lowe above Clement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 That's like saying Kenny would have no trouble flying, if he had wings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 I wonder how true this offer is. I mean sources have been known to be wrong. I guess we'll find out tomorrow cause I'm figuring thats when Clement makes up his mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 True..but I read on someone's post of an article where Kenny would have no problem in dealing with a Boras client, if the price was right. And, I know the market for Lowe could not be near 30mil over 3 years. hmm...maybe a "below-average" E.R.A. but his win/loss was still 17-7, granted he was pitching for the Boston offense. The year before that, wasn't he up for the CY young or am i just remembering someone else. Clement on the other hand has only had 2 seasons where his record was above .500. What the hell just get a some starting pictching, but I personally would prefer Lowe above Clement. Detroit could be real stupid and offer 4 years 40 million, yes I'm not kidding. He'll probably sign a deal about 9 mill over 3 or 4 years from some team though. And Boston were desperate to trae him early 2004 when he had an ERA of around 7, but there was absolutely no market for him. When he just doesn't use his favorite pitch, the sinker over and over again, Lowe can be a somewhat effective pitcher though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 I wonder how true this offer is. I mean sources have been known to be wrong. I guess we'll find out tomorrow cause I'm figuring thats when Clement makes up his mind. Thursday or Friday supposedly, and then we'll probably see Perez make up his mind a few days later, depending on what teams do there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 Considering Lowe is going to still get 7-8 mill a year I'd go with Clement. I think in the end Clement gets 9/10; Perez 8-9; Lowe 7-8 The rest fall below that, but with those three the only legit guys remaining your going to see prices go through the roof on Perez and then when he goes Boras will lick his chops. Its probably best to overpay for Clement, especially since it appears he'd want to pitch here. Cause otherwise you have no idea whats going to happen and what team guys prefer. This is assuming Clement really wants to stay in Chicago, but who knows, maybe that isn't the case. Also who knows if the Sox really have offered 3/30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox91403 Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 If that is what it takes to sign him, then sign him. Hopefully, Konerko and Marte aren't going anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 hmm...maybe a "below-average" E.R.A. but his win/loss was still 17-7, granted he was pitching for the Boston offense. The year before that, wasn't he up for the CY young or am i just remembering someone else. Clement on the other hand has only had 2 seasons where his record was above .500. What the hell just get a some starting pictching, but I personally would prefer Lowe above Clement. Wins for a pitcher are by far the most overrated stat. Lowe pitches for Boston, a team that has been a WS contender for a few years and he pitches behind one of the leagues best offenses. Matt Clement, however, has been on a staff behind a terrible offense and a barely above average team. Hence the two records. Matt Clement > Derek Lowe Lowe's continuous downfall is scary. He's dropped off big time since his one good year in the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 The score said this? I havent heard anything and I like to know if this is really true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 If we DO sign Clement I pray to God that our fans don't all wear those goatee things at the games......... Come on those are the only things Cub fans have ever done right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shagar69 Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 the only thing that i am worried about is injury. his arm motion just scares me. IMO hes an injury waiting to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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