Sox ink Uribe to multiyear deal

[SoxFan562004]

it's going to be great when KW gets a question in spring about the Sox not making huge signings and he lists Hermanson, Dye, AND this signing

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

Juan Uribe IS NOT Miguel Tejada.  Tejada was a highly regarded prospect with a proven minor league track record.  Tejada's success was expected.

 

Uribe is nearly the exact opposite.  He was average at best in the minors, and has just began to develop.  Uribe has shown some promise and finally had one good year.  Tejada's path to success has been long and predictable.

 

There is no guarantee Juan's level of success will continue to climb.  I am not saying it won't, but there can no accurate correlations made between Juan Uribe and Miguel Tejada.

I guess we'll find out this coming season where he's truly going.

 

One thing is for certain and that he's a defenite upgrade over Jose Valentin and he's coming at roughly half the price. Solid, SOLID move by KW.

[qwerty]

Pretty sure Rotoworld said it was a $5 million option for 2008, so I don't know who's wrong here.

I am sure rotoworld is right because his option would not jump to nearly double his 2007 salary. Also they got it from the sun times.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/output/sports/cst-spt-sox16.html

[qwerty]

I really like this deal. There is no doubt in my mind he would have made more than this in arbitration in the next three years.

[Rex Hudler]

I beg to differ. If you look statistically, there seems to be a very close correlation between the two:

 

1998 Miguel Tejada (22) 2003 Juan Uribe (23)

AB 365 316

BA .233 .253

OBP .298 .257

2B 20 19

HR 11 10

SLG .384 .427

BB 28 17

K 86 60

 

1999 Miguel Tejada (23) 2004 Juan Uribe (24)

AB 593 502

BA .251 .283

OBP .325 .327

2B 33 21

HR 21 23

SLG .427 .506

BB 57 32

K 94 96

 

2000 Miguel Tejada (24) 2005 Juan Uribe (25)

AB 607 ?????

BA .275 ?????

OBP .349 ?????

2B 32 ?????

HR 30 ?????

SLG .479 ?????

BB 66 ?????

K 102 ?????

 

Sure Uribe's strike zone issues are a little more pronounced than Tejada's but offensively they are following the same path. Tejeda just was more hyped and got a quicker start. If you dont pay attention to stats, I'm probably not going to win you over, but it doesnt hurt that they're both about 5'10" and 175 pounds and hail from the same town in the Dominican Republic (that last fact is irrelevant, but interesting anyways). The jump from where Uribe is now to where Tejada was in 2000 is not a very big one and I think Uribe can make that jump offensively. He already is very good defensively (not unlike Tejada). I think I've made a fair case for an "accurate correlation," whether you agree with it or not.

The thing you missed on is you picked Uribe's 2nd and 3rd seasons (arguably 3rd and 4th if you count the 72 games Uribe played in 2001) to compare with Tejada's 1st and 2nd. You left out 2002 when Juan played 155 games.

 

In total, Uribe had played a combined 448 games in the Majors while Tejada had only played 288, based on the years in your example.

 

I do very much pay attention to numbers. Here are some numbers I pay attention to in this comparison:

CAREER BATTING RECORD - Juan Uribe

YR Club        LG    CLASS  POS    AVG   G  AB   R   H  TB  2B  3B  HR RBI  SH SF HB  BB IB  SO SB  CS GDP      SLUG    OBP    TPA

97 Rockies     DSL      R   SS    .269  65 234  32  63  75  12   0   0  29   3  3  2  31  0  22  7   6   0      .321    ***    273

98 Rockies     ARI      R   SS    .277  40 148  25  41  52   5   3   0  17   3  2  3  12  0  25  8   1   0      .351    ***    168

99 Asheville   SAL      A   SS    .267 125 430  57 115 176  28   3   9  46  11  4  6  20  0  79 11   7   0      .409    ***    471

00 Salem       CAR      A   SS    .256 134 485  64 124 199  22   7  13  65   4  2  4  38  0 100 22   5   0      .410    ***    533

01 Carolina    SOU     AA   SS    .231   3  13   1   3   4   1   0   0   1   0  0  0   0  0   4  1   0   0      .308    ***     13

   Colorado SprPCL    AAA   SS    .310  74 281  40  87 149  27   7   7  48   0  2  2  12  1  43 11   8   0      .530    ***    297
 
 
 

CAREER BATTING RECORD - Miguel Tejada

YR Club        LG    CLASS  POS    AVG   G  AB   R   H  TB  2B  3B  HR RBI  SH SF HB  BB IB  SO SB  CS GDP      SLUG    OBP    TPA

94 Oakland     DSL      R   2B    .294  74 218  51  64 129   9   1  18  62   0  5  0  37  3  36 13   5   0      .592    ***    260

95 Southern OreNWS      A   SS    .245  74 269  45  66 115  15   5   8  44   0  3  2  41  2  54 19   2   0      .428    ***    315

96 Modesto     CAL      A   SS    .279 114 458  97 128 210  12   5  20  72   1  7  4  51  3  93 27  16   0      .459    ***    521

97 Huntsville  SOU     AA   SS    .275 128 502  85 138 230  20   3  22  97   1  8  7  50  0  99 15  11   0      .458    ***    568

   Oakland     AL     MAJ   SS    .202  26  99  10  20  33   3   2   2  10   0  0  3   2  0  22  2   0   0      .333    ***    104

98 Edmonton    PCL    AAA   SS    .000   1   3   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0  0  0   1  0   1  0   0   0      .000    ***      4

   Huntsville  SOU     AA   SS    .327  15  52   9  17  29   6   0   2   7   1  2  0   4  0   8  1   0   0      .558    ***     59

 

Like I said, Tejada's track record was proven and his success was expected. There is no way, before this season you could say the same for Juan Uribe. The guy had a good year. That's a good thing. But I'll wait until I see two in a row before I annoint him in category comparable with an MVP Award winner.

[Flash Tizzle]

Did anyone know Uribe dumped Scott Boras in place of Marte's agent? Looks as if the White Sox stance on negotiating with Scott Boras influenced this decision. Perhaps Uribe was doing his part to ensuring his place on this team for a long time.

 

Meanwhile, negotiations were said to have been a breeze on the three-year, $9.75 million deal that shortstop Juan Uribe agreed to Wednesday. One reason could be that Uribe left agent Scott Boras last month and switched to Martin Arburua, also Marte's agent.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/output/baseball/cst-spt-randy17.html

[DBAHO]

Did anyone know Uribe dumped Scott Boras in place of Marte's agent? Looks as if the White Sox stance on negotiating with Scott Boras influenced this decision.  Perhaps Uribe was doing his part to ensuring his place on this team for a long time.

 

 

 

http://www.suntimes.com/output/baseball/cst-spt-randy17.html

Yeah I saw that on the Southtown too, I knew a multiyear contract negotiated with Scott Bora$$ was too good to be true. Also saw this in the same article I read;

 

The Sox are still hoping to reach multiyear deals with outfielders Aaron Rowand and Timo Perez, both of whom are arbitration-eligible.

[southsider2k5]

Did anyone know Uribe dumped Scott Boras in place of Marte's agent? Looks as if the White Sox stance on negotiating with Scott Boras influenced this decision.  Perhaps Uribe was doing his part to ensuring his place on this team for a long time.

 

 

 

http://www.suntimes.com/output/baseball/cst-spt-randy17.html

Now it all makes sense. So what is the under/over on Joe Crede getting traded or getting a new agent?

[greasywheels121]

Did anyone know Uribe dumped Scott Boras in place of Marte's agent? Looks as if the White Sox stance on negotiating with Scott Boras influenced this decision.  Perhaps Uribe was doing his part to ensuring his place on this team for a long time.

 

 

 

http://www.suntimes.com/output/baseball/cst-spt-randy17.html

That's pretty cool to see. Props for Uribe changing agents to say he really wanted to be here.

[YASNY]

Does no one else question a multiyear deal for Timo? I figured he'd be non-tendered.

[MRKARNO]

Like I said, Tejada's track record was proven and his success was expected.  There is no way, before this season you could say the same for Juan Uribe.  The guy had a good year.  That's a good thing.  But I'll wait until I see two in a row before I annoint him in category comparable with an MVP Award winner.

Fair enough. I'm just saying that there is statistical evidence to suggest that it's possible. Uribe is 2 years behind Tejada was, but I dont see why it cant just be that it suddenly just "clicked" for him a little later than it did Tejada. Hype doesnt always equal results. Ask Joe Borchard about that one, but just because one of two similar players are hyped, that doesnt mean that they arent similar. I buy your arguement about Uribe being less likely to approach that level than Tejada himself, but I'm just trying to show everyone what we may have on our hands here.

[santo=dorf]

Does no one else question a multiyear deal for Timo?  I figured he'd be non-tendered.

I was think the same thing too. Multi-year?

[Rex Hudler]

Fair enough. I'm just saying that there is statistical evidence to suggest that it's possible. Uribe is 2 years behind Tejada was, but I dont see why it cant just be that it suddenly just "clicked" for him a little later than it did Tejada. Hype doesnt always equal results. Ask Joe Borchard about that one, but just because one of two similar players are hyped, that doesnt mean that they arent similar. I buy your arguement about Uribe being less likely to approach that level than Tejada himself, but I'm just trying to show everyone what we may have on our hands here.

I said all along that Uribe COULD continue on an upward trend. I just want to see him do it another year before I start buying into it and making such lofty comparisons. It's simple. Until he does it again, he is Pokey Reese. If he has another good year, then he proves himself.

[Rex Hudler]

Does no one else question a multiyear deal for Timo?  I figured he'd be non-tendered.

Ditto....... My guess is that is an erroneous report somehow. If they give Timo a multi-year deal, then KW is dumber than...... well, fill in your own blank.