KevHead0881 Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 This whole "going nuts on Kenny at SoxFest" thing sounds a bit immature. Don't you guys have anything better to do? I'm pissed about this too. But 1. There are still other players out there and still time to get them, and 2. I sure ain't gonna throw a hissy fit over something a GM of a major league baseball team did or didn't do. I understand being passionate, but this is a little overboard. Take a pill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sickofsecondplace Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 What???? 4 million was not our offer. Stop making stuff up. An original offer had us at 3 years, 8.5 per. Bruce Levine was just on about an hour ago saying we were in the neighborhood of 3 years, 21 million. Not the so-called 12 million that you said. Dude, use your powers of logic and reasoning. I didn't say our offer was $4 million a year for 3 years, I said that was the difference between our offer and the RSox offer (3 years/25 million). Get it, or do you need more of a breakdown? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 I'm not bashing KW as much as I am Sox philosophy and JR. Can you justify cutting the offer off at 21 rather than 25? This makes the Lee trade look horrible. No it really doesn't if you think about it. We can get Odalis and el Duque for MUCH cheaper, and Clement isn't actually a star compared to them. **WAITS FOR THE, " WERE NEVER GOING TO SIGN PEREZ", response, based on no sources** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 I honestly dont think we were as close to getting Clement as many others think. No national source really said we were ever close to the lead. Rather, it was only the Tribune that stated reasons why he possibly would want to stay in Chicago. However, if you noticed, he did choose a team because of location...and it was Boston cause it was close to his hometown. Also, Clement mentioned the chance to win all of his years during his contract. I think the White Sox were hard pressed to convinced Clement we had a better team than Boston or Anaheim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 I think every one needs to settle down. This was the first big-time free agent that we have been on in for a long time and we lost out on him. Well, it sucks, but the bashing over KW for 1 guy is incredible. Get used to it. Cheat, most noteably, has insisted the pitchers available during this offseason were unworthy of the contracts that obtained. He's right, but what are we to do? Whine the market is unreasonable and search through the bargain bins? Next season, IF Johan Santana and Ben Sheets are available, could you imagine Reinsdorf paying either 10 million over 4 years? I'll guarantee both pitchers will garner contracts beginning with this amount. Both are worth the price, but its unlikely we'll outbid other clubs for their services. This isn't an abberation, just evidence of an emerging pattern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
103 mph screwball Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 I'm willing to wait until opening day before I b**** at KW for not getting a fifth starter. Something could still happen. They'd better spend that money on whoever will help the team the most. To pocket it until July would be a big PR mistake. .Hey we still have a chance at RJ!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 If anything good comes out of this, it's the fact that Perez was expected to go lower than Clement. If everyone hews to that, maybe Perez becomes more affordable. Doubt it happens, but we need something.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 I'm not bashing KW as much as I am Sox philosophy and JR. Can you justify cutting the offer off at 21 rather than 25? This makes the Lee trade look horrible. 1. How do you know they didn't? There were reports that they went to $8.5 million a year which would come out to $25.5 million. 2.How do you know that if the money was the same Clement would choose the White Sox? He has a chance to pitch in a great park that will be sold out every game. With the White Sox, he'll have to pick up tumbleweeds after he gets tatooed in USCF. Really, if you're a pitcher would you rather pitch for a team that has Damon, Ramirez, Renteria, Ortiz, or pitch for a team with Podsednick, Dye, Rowand and Konerko. The Red Sox should get him a lot more runs as would the Angels. I don't think that's a coincidence they were his top 2 choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 There was a report last night on the espndeportes website that Odalis Perez is interested in joining the Mets and Pedro Martinez. I haven't heard one thing about the White Sox being interested in Odalis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sickofsecondplace Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 No it really doesn't if you think about it. We can get Odalis and el Duque for MUCH cheaper, and Clement isn't actually a star compared to them. **WAITS FOR THE, " WERE NEVER GOING TO SIGN PEREZ", response, based on no sources** you're right, we won't be getting Odalis. Anaheim will be bidding against us once again. What reason is there to think we'll top them this time, especially considering Odalis has already played in Anaheim's backyard. At this point, I'd be happy w/ Millwood. I don't even see that happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSFAN35 Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Odalis will probably go to Anaheim since they lost out on Clement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 This whole "going nuts on Kenny at SoxFest" thing sounds a bit immature. Don't you guys have anything better to do? I'm pissed about this too. But 1. There are still other players out there and still time to get them, and 2. I sure ain't gonna throw a hissy fit over something a GM of a major league baseball team did or didn't do. I understand being passionate, but this is a little overboard. Take a pill. Who the hell is out there that we are gonna be able to outbid for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 f***ITY f*** f*** :headshake I just logged in and I see that we loose Clement to the f***ing Red Sox. GEEZ... I can see it now. Hermanson or Grilli as our 5th starter for next season. The f*** with 2005 if it's going to be that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 There was a report last night on the espndeportes website that Odalis Perez is interested in joining the Mets and Pedro Martinez. I haven't heard one thing about the White Sox being interested in Odalis. Don't worry about the White Sox interest in Perez. It's unlikely they'll sign him. Angels offered a contract similar to Boston, and they can sure as hell be expected to shift the money over to Perez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 There was a report last night on the espndeportes website that Odalis Perez is interested in joining the Mets and Pedro Martinez. I haven't heard one thing about the White Sox being interested in Odalis. Mets already have 5 starters, they need bullpen help. All of their starters are high priced guys as well, I doubt they'd move one of they to the bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 There was a report last night on the espndeportes website that Odalis Perez is interested in joining the Mets and Pedro Martinez. I haven't heard one thing about the White Sox being interested in Odalis. Eh, Radar etc. Gotta try. What's done is done. (Kenny's not quite done, but he doesn't have forever....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sickofsecondplace Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 1. How do you know they didn't? There were reports that they went to $8.5 million a year which would come out to $25.5 million. 2.How do you know that if the money was the same Clement would choose the White Sox? He has a chance to pitch in a great park that will be sold out every game. With the White Sox, he'll have to pick up tumbleweeds after he gets tatooed in USCF. Really, if you're a pitcher would you rather pitch for a team that has Damon, Ramirez, Renteria, Ortiz, or pitch for a team with Podsednick, Dye, Rowand and Konerko. The Red Sox should get him a lot more runs as would the Angels. I don't think that's a coincidence they were his top 2 choices. Again, poor reasoning. Read the Clement MLB article. "The teams that were still in it were teams that were willing to pay the price," Axelrod said. That sure as hell sounds like we didn't top the 3 years, 21 million to me. I agree that Clement still could've chosen the BoSox despite an equivalent offer, but it would've been nice to find out, don't you think? If you're going to be lowballing guys, don't go trading away Carlos and letting Maggs walk (not going there) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sickofsecondplace Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Don't worry about the White Sox interest in Perez. It's unlikely they'll sign him. Angels offered a contract similar to Boston, and they can sure as hell be expected to shift the money over to Perez. This is good logic (unfortunately for us!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Mets already have 5 starters, they need bullpen help. All of their starters are high priced guys as well, I doubt they'd move one of they to the bullpen. According to the article, they don't trust Zambrano to stay healthy the entire year, and might look to move him to the bullpen. The Mets seem to be going after every free agent, wouldn't shock me to see Odalis come down to Mets, Angels, and Marlins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Read the Clement MLB article. "The teams that were still in it were teams that were willing to pay the price," Axelrod said. What about the quote straight from his agent that said we had 3 years, 27 million on the table? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 According to the article, they don't trust Zambrano to stay healthy the entire year, and might look to move him to the bullpen. The Mets seem to be going after every free agent, wouldn't shock me to see Odalis come down to Mets, Angels, and Marlins. I would not trust zambrano either. I mean he cannot hit the strike zone with a beach ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 According to the article, they don't trust Zambrano to stay healthy the entire year, and might look to move him to the bullpen. The Mets seem to be going after every free agent, wouldn't shock me to see Odalis come down to Mets, Angels, and Marlins. How funny would that be, Kazmir for a reliever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sickofsecondplace Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 What about the quote straight from his agent that said we had 3 years, 27 million on the table? Link? That directly clashes with the MLB article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Again, poor reasoning. Read the Clement MLB article. "The teams that were still in it were teams that were willing to pay the price," Axelrod said. That sure as hell sounds like we didn't top the 3 years, 21 million to me. I agree that Clement still could've chosen the BoSox despite an equivalent offer, but it would've been nice to find out, don't you think? If you're going to be lowballing guys, don't go trading away Carlos and letting Maggs walk (not going there) Not at the expense of the future of the franchise. You give Clement that money, you are now over budget, and won't be able to add anything else. Counting on Willie Harris and Ben Davis everyday isn't going to win you a division, even with the great 69-75 lifetime Matt Clement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 How do you know that if the money was the same Clement would choose the White Sox? He has a chance to pitch in a great park that will be sold out every game. With the White Sox, he'll have to pick up tumbleweeds after he gets tatooed in USCF. Really, if you're a pitcher would you rather pitch for a team that has Damon, Ramirez, Renteria, Ortiz, or pitch for a team with Podsednick, Dye, Rowand and Konerko. The Red Sox should get him a lot more runs as would the Angels. I don't think that's a coincidence they were his top 2 choices. Of course he'd rather choose Boston and Anaheim over the White Sox. Those organizations have shown commitments to winning. One method of "convincing" a free agent pitcher to choose White Sox as his destination is to overpay........ Well, atleast Shawn Chacon's suitors will be comprised of a few desperate teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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