fathom Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Well, it looks as if KW is trying to involve himself in the big RJ trade by offering a package of Konerko, Garland, and Marte for Javier Vazquez. Well, this would be one of the worst trades in history if you ask me. KW, if you do this trade, you will not believe the outrage that occurs by Sox fans. Our offense will be the worst in baseball next year, and JR is too f***ing cheap to sign even average players. How f***ing pathetic is it that we don't even have enough confidence in KW to not even make the dumbest of trades? EDIT: Since this talk is turning out to be bunk, I (Showtime) changed the title of this topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 wow the post I put up gets deleted and yet mine gets deletd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinnesotaSoxFan Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 If this trade happens, I will become a die-hard Twins fan... That is how confident, I am that KW will not do this trade... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Ha, rotoworld thinks it is a bad trade for the dodgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox91403 Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 This is sooooo Kenny Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 18, 2004 Author Share Posted December 18, 2004 Projected lineup would be 1b- Gload 2b- Harris 3b- Crede SS- Uribe Lf- Podsednik CF- Rowand RF- Dye C- Davis DH- Thomas/Everett Folks, that's one of the worst hitting teams in the majors right there. And guess what, we'd still be without a number 5 starting pitcher, and we'd be missing our most reliable reliever over the last 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox91403 Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 It can't be those 3 for just Vazquez. It just can't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 said in daily new ny that could combination of players. So the players in that deal are not nerly done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 18, 2004 Author Share Posted December 18, 2004 BTW, the only way that this trade would make any sense is if a lot of Vazquez's salary is paid by the Dodgers, but it doesn't seem like that would happen. Vazquez makes about 12 million, while the Sox guys being traded make about 14 million. If KW is doing this to save 2 million dollars, then he's a bigger dumbass than we give him credit. Now, if we were to save like 8 million dollars in this, and he turned around and tried to sign Odalis, Pierzynski, and Polanoo with the new money, I would actually support this trade. However, I don't see the Dodgers giving up any money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Great. Lose out on Clement and this is where we're left. This is exactly why I rather overpay cash for the services of a starting pitcher. If options we're either sign Matt Clement or intiate a Garland/Marte/konerko swap-a-roo, many here would have applauded paying MC 25mill/3yrs. How exactly does this trade proposal benefit us? Trade Garland, Marte, Konerko for VAZQUEZ!? Christ, he may pitch marginally better than Garland with a larger salary and three key members of our team gone. Williams might as well have traded directly for Johnson with this package. Does Williams comprehend the offensive output forsaken these last few weeks? Lee, Ordonez, and potentially Konerko all gone. 75+HR's, 270+RBI's replaced with Podsednik, Everett/Dye, Gload/Cheap FA. If it ever came down to this salary dump, we're sitting on atleast 12 million; conservatively estimating New York eats 10 million of Vazquez's contract. With this salary, Odalis Perez or Carlos Delgado is a White Sox. No questions asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Kazuhisa Ishii is also expected to be included in the Randy Johnson trade, getting sent to the Yankees along with $3 million of the $5.4 million he's owed for 2005. Is this supposed to be a positive for the Dodgers? Ishii at $5.4 million is a bad thing, but if the Dodgers are willing are willing to pay $3 million of his salary, they should be able to get a quality prospect for him from some team. When Russ Ortiz is getting $33 million and Esteban Loaiza is demanding a multiyear contract, Ishii at $2.4 million for one year would be a nice bargain. Dec. 18 - 4:30 am et Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 now wfian saying could only be konerko and prospects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 now wfian saying could only be konerko and prospects I hope someone in the sox orginization realizes are offense is pretty damn suspect already. We lose konerko we are royally f***ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 This would quite possibly be the worse trade ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 18, 2004 Author Share Posted December 18, 2004 I put a lot of this blame on f***ing Ozzie Guillen. His stupid desire to play smallball in the American League in a massive homer park is going to screw this team. He would rather have mediocre/average players like Willie Harris or Scott Podsednik that can run than players that can actually hit a 3-run homer. Hey, we're getting what a lot of people warned us about when we signed him....Ozzie wants players that play like he did when he was here (and he sucked as a hitter!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Guys my friend in heard on Wfian it could be Konerko and prospects for javy and duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Guys my friend in heard on Wfian it could be Konerko and prospects for javy and duncan Why the f*** would we need duncan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Guys I have no clue. The deal isnt done yet and hes telling me this. Do I trust him? Yes because hes listening right now to deal. Tommrrow morning will bruce break it down? more than likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Guys I have no clue. The deal isnt done yet and hes telling me this. Do I trust him? Yes because hes listening right now to deal. Tommrrow morning will bruce break it down? more than likely. It's just that duncan makes no sense whatsoever we have fields who will be major league ready before him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 I hope someone in the sox orginization realizes are offense is pretty damn suspect already. We lose konerko we are royally f***ed. I hope someone in the Sox organization slaps Williams upside the head. Trading Konerko/Prospects for Vazquez (assuming NYY eat 10mil of Vazquez contract) is a complete wash. Solid rotation, putrid offense. :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 18, 2004 Author Share Posted December 18, 2004 No cash is being exchanged in the 3-way deal, so we'd likely be having to pay for Vazquez entire contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinnesotaSoxFan Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Guys I have no clue. The deal isnt done yet and hes telling me this. Do I trust him? Yes because hes listening right now to deal. Tommrrow morning will bruce break it down? more than likely. Do I trust you that is that my question. I rather wait later than hear this trash from the score or whatever station your friend is listening to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 18, 2004 Author Share Posted December 18, 2004 It's just that duncan makes no sense whatsoever we have fields who will be major league ready before him. If we get Duncan in this deal, we can kiss either Anderson, Sweeney, or McCarthy good bye. I still think that the deal will involve more than just PK in terms of Sox major league players. If we give up Garland in this trade, KW shouldn't hold the title of GM another day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Do I trust you that is that my question. I rather wait later than hear this trash from the score or whatever station your friend is listening to. Dude it is all over the internet. He is not lying, which scares the s*** out of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Sir, Im getting my sources from yankee fans that are wired all about this glued to their raidos 24/7 and get news paper reports about us being in the deal. I only tell the things I hear and Im not posting b.s. here cause Im not that kind of guy to do such a thing espically beiing a passointe fan chisox orginzation for 20 yrs. Later today you will find out whats going on with us. But main thing is were in deal getting javy according new york papers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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