fathom Posted December 18, 2004 Author Share Posted December 18, 2004 And if you read the NY Daily News article that's linked on rotoworld, the deal seems more likely to happen than to not happen. There's going to be a lot of pissed of Sox fans when they look on this message board when they wake up in around 5 hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 If we get Duncan in this deal, we can kiss either Anderson, Sweeney, or McCarthy good bye. I still think that the deal will involve more than just PK in terms of Sox major league players. If we give up Garland in this trade, KW shouldn't hold the title of GM another day. All three of our prospects you mentioned are better than duncan. We do not need duncan, if they did ask for a prospect it would be navarro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 No cash is being exchanged in the 3-way deal, so we'd likely be having to pay for Vazquez entire contract. Cash doesn't need to be exchanged. New York simply pays a substantial portion of Vazquez's contract. Meanwhile our offense is depleted and no further money is available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 And if you read the NY Daily News article that's linked on rotoworld, the deal seems more likely to happen than to not happen. There's going to be a lot of pissed of Sox fans when they look on this message board when they wake up in around 5 hours. I think soxtalk may break the record tomorrow for users on at one time. For a bad reason that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 If there were not people sleeping in my house i would be breaking things. Even if this does not go down it is horrendous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 If the Sox got Navarro or Ishii as well it could make a little more sense. That or if they are going to get Beltran. I'm just hoping its two of the three mentioned and not all three that are a part. I guess I'll wake up early afternoon and find out, lol. I'm just hoping for the best. If the Sox have an above average starting five and a great bullpen things will be alright, even without PK, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 18, 2004 Author Share Posted December 18, 2004 If there were not people sleeping in my house i would be breaking things. Even if this does not go down it is horrendous. I agree, it's horrendous because we have so little faith in KW that he won't make the stupid move. However, I would be willing to support the trade if it was along the lines of Konerko/Marte for Vazquez/Navarro (with Sox gaining some money in the deal). I could see the Sox then trying to sign Cabrera with the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Guys the players in ny daily news and rotoworld is not happening. Lol you are right that be worst trade ever and thing is ny posted that crap because that was probably offer for rj and they just reposted it. Now hearing from ny it could be konerko for just javy or konerko and prospect for javy and ducan. We will hear it all soon enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 18, 2004 Author Share Posted December 18, 2004 If the Sox got Navarro or Ishii as well it could make a little more sense. That or if they are going to get Beltran. I'm just hoping its two of the three mentioned and not all three that are a part. I guess I'll wake up early afternoon and find out, lol. I'm just hoping for the best. If the Sox have an above average starting five and a great bullpen things will be alright, even without PK, imo. First, if we trade Marte, we will not have a great bullpen by any stretch. The Twins have a great bullpen, we would have an average one without Marte Second, Ishii is one of the last pitchers I would ever want on the Sox. He's just awful. No control, no innings, and that was pitching in a great pitcher's park. I would rather have Cotts than Ishii, and people know I'm not a Cotts supporter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 I think soxtalk may break the record tomorrow for users on at one time. For a bad reason that is. I seriously don't envision many scenarios in which this trade benefits the Sox. If Konerko/prospects is exchanged for Vazquez, the following must occur for my approval: - Steinbrenner pays atleast 20 million of Vazquez's 34 million contract. I estimate this amount is needed to offset departure of Konerko. Benefit: 10 million available to persue FA. Probabily: f***ing unlikely. Vazquez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 I agree, it's horrendous because we have so little faith in KW that he won't make the stupid move. However, I would be willing to support the trade if it was along the lines of Konerko/Marte for Vazquez/Navarro (with Sox gaining some money in the deal). I could see the Sox then trying to sign Cabrera with the money. Cabrera blows i do not even want to think of him. Marte is worth alot more than just some overated catcher in the yankees farm system. They overate every single prospect they have ever had. His minor leageu numbers are less than exciting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 18, 2004 Author Share Posted December 18, 2004 Qwerty: I agree with you, I think Cabrera sucks. However, he's definitely the type of guys that Ozzie/KW seem to have a hard-on for these days. However, I personally feel that any move which makes Willie Harris a reserve is a good move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox91403 Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Dude it is all over the internet. He is not lying, which scares the s*** out of me. Can you provide a link other than rotoworld? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Guys the players in ny daily news and rotoworld is not happening. Lol you are right that be worst trade ever and thing is ny posted that crap because that was probably offer for rj and they just reposted it. Now hearing from ny it could be konerko for just javy or konerko and prospect for javy and ducan. We will hear it all soon enough. These news publications, ideally those in New York, have been terrible reporting accurate news. Why can't Williams simply sign a 5th starter outside this organization and upgrade IF/C positions? It's too f***ing simple for him to accept, obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 At last, Randy Bronx bound! Yankees pull an ace in 3-team exchange BY SAM BORDEN and BILL MADDEN DAILY NEWS WRITERS The Yankees get: Randy Johnson (from Arizona) ... ... and Kazuhisa Ishii (from the Dodgers). The Big Unit is coming to the Yankees After day-long negotiations at the highest level, the Yankees, Diamondbacks and Dodgers agreed in principle to the blockbuster trade that will put Randy Johnson in pinstripes, according to sources with knowledge of the situation. The trade has Shawn Green, Brad Penny, Yhency Brazoban and prospect Brandon Weeden going from L.A. to Arizona; Javier Vazquez and two Yankee prospects (Dioner Navarro and Eric Duncan) going from the Bronx to the Dodgers; and the Big Unit along with L.A. lefthander Kaz Ishii coming to New York. The deal most likely will be announced in a few days, with so many players involved. Penny told ESPN Radio last night that he is scheduled to take a physical for Arizona next week. The initial framework of the deal did not have the Yankees getting Ishii, but the Dodgers appear determined to shed significant salary in the exchange. Along those lines, the Dodgers are now expected to spin off Vazquez to a fourth team, believed to be the White Sox, for a combination of players believed to include first baseman Paul Konerko, lefty reliever Damaso Marte and righty starter Jon Garland. There is no cash changing hands in the trade since Johnson and Green both make about $16 million. In one-on-one talks between the Yanks and D-Backs, Arizona had been demanding that the Yankees kick in $19.5 million to help cover the $35.5 million owed to Vazquez over the next three seasons. Details of the trade, such as the handling of deferred money and other benefits in Johnson's contract, still need to be worked out and all players must pass physicals before the deal can be officially announced. Both Green and Johnson had no-trade clauses but waived them yesterday as part of the final negotiations between the clubs. Yankees GM Brian Cashman would not comment on the deal yesterday and Arizona GM Joe Garagiola did not return phone calls. The trade was constructed on higher levels within the organizations, after discussions between Arizona and New York were renewed earlier this week when D-Backs incoming CEO Jeff Moorad called Yanks president Randy Levine. One of Johnson's agents, Barry Meister, said he had no comment on the situation yesterday, but the 41-year-old lefty has been at the center of the Yankees' offseason plans. George Steinbrenner has coveted Johnson and has frequently called team executives to monitor progress on a potential trade for the ace, even as the Bombers were working out deals with free agent righthanders Carl Pavano and Jaret Wright. Trade talks between the teams heated up over the summer, but no deal was reached before the July 31 trading deadline. Discussions picked up again earlier this winter, but the Yankees balked on Dec. 1 after Arizona asked for a package that included Vazquez, Tom Gordon, $19.5 million and a slew of prospects or, alternatively, one of 10 starting pitchers the Yanks would have to acquire from another team. It became clear, however, during a meeting last weekend between Johnson's agents and D-Backs executives that Johnson wasn't interested in giving Arizona a discount on a contract extension and wanted to be dealt. Two days later, Moorad renewed talks with the Yankees, and now Johnson is heading exactly where he and The Boss want him to go. For that to happen, the Yankees had to get other teams involved. On paper, the Dodgers appear to be getting the short end. Having given up All-Star catcher Paul Lo Duca and their primary setup man, Guillermo Mota, for Penny and young Hee Seop Choi last July, this deal, on the surface for them, amounts to Mota, Lo Duca, Green and Brazoban for only one proven major leaguer, Vazquez. "(Dodgers GM Paul) DePodesta is too smart for that," a source involved in the deal said. "I'm sure there's another deal - or deals - in the works for the Dodgers where Vazquez is going to fill their needs." The White Sox have been interested in Vazquez for months and manager Ozzie Guillen spoke several times at the winter meetings last week about how he believed his club was involved in multi-team trade talks. One White Sox insider said Guillen frequently raved about "what a talented pitcher (Vazquez) is - he'd do really well for us and would fit in well." Also, DePodesta saves money on getting Konerko (due $8 million) to replace Green ($16 million) while the Yanks agreed to pay $2 million of Ishii's $5 million salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 The fourth team in the Randy Johnson deal could be the White Sox. They'd get Javier Vazquez from the Dodgers for some combination or Paul Konerko, Damaso Marte and Jon Garland. Or maybe other players. We don't think this makes any more sense for the Dodgers. Getting Marte would make up for losing Yhency Brazoban, but Konerko isn't enough of an upgrade over Hee Seop Choi to be worthy of the extra $8 million in salary and Garland is barely worth the $3.5 million he's getting paid, although we're sure he'd put up solid numbers in Los Angeles. Maybe Paul DePodesta will make things work out in the end, but we don't like what we're hearing so far. Dec. 18 - 4:44 am et rotoworld Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Can you provide a link other than rotoworld? Chisox2334 has already given us two articles. Trust me, you do not have to look very hard to find anythin about it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Guys the players in ny daily news and rotoworld is not happening. Lol you are right that be worst trade ever and thing is ny posted that crap because that was probably offer for rj and they just reposted it. Now hearing from ny it could be konerko for just javy or konerko and prospect for javy and ducan. We will hear it all soon enough. You suggest here Marte/Garland aren't the players in the trade, yet the article posted contradicts your statement. I believe you may have copied the same article referenced earlier in this thread. What time was the piece updated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox91403 Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Someone clear this up then: It will be Konerko/Marte/Garland for Vazquez? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Yeah I started my thread off and then got deleted. Which posted that same article. For those who didnt believe me that we are in this Im shown it again for those that dont bother to read pages 1 and 2. My friend told me this it be konerko and prospects. Because like I said it be worst trade in our franchise or our history to do that. Kenny is not that dumb guys and hes not going let everyone go. So if just konerko and prospects be happy guys. My friend in texas also heard konerko and prospects and my friend in ny heard it on the raido to where they live. The score just said the 3 players would get traded for. Either way chisox name is out there and im telling you what I hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 18, 2004 Author Share Posted December 18, 2004 Did the Score say that Konerko would be traded for 3 players, or would Vazquez be traded for 3 players from the Sox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox91403 Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 I get off work in 45 minutes. If I wake up today and those 3 are gone for only Vazquez, I will puke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinnesotaSoxFan Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Our prospects are good, just very under rated... Still pissed... Can't wait to wake up in the afternoon to see this thread go over 20 pages (40 replies each page) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Guys when I read the paper and heard the three names on daily news and rotoworld I was livid and ready go find kenny know wherever his location is now since hes hiding from us. But when I was yelling my friend he agreed that the trade make no sense for use trade all that for javy but understands if it was for unit. So when he reported it prospects and konerko part I felt alot better and yet felt like maybe hes lying. But then guy lives in texas just metioned konerko name. Meaning the prospect part not a big deal. So Im hearing this from them and if you want their sn's on aol I will be more than glad give you them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox91403 Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Still a hole in the rotation, a huge hole in the bullpen and KW will have gutted the offense. This is not good any way you look at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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