qwerty Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 For a guy like Mark Mulder I would give them our entire prospect top 10 list and plus let them pick anyone else they wanted... As for the AL team I just don't buy it. I mean we have them in what 2 series? Then you are an idiot. Mulder is good, not great. Far from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 Then you are an idiot. Mulder is good, not great. Far from it. Fine maybe that is a little extreme... It's just I had a nice dream last night that we traded for Mark Mulder... Then I come on to find out that he was traded, it was just to somebody else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 For a guy like Mark Mulder I would give them our entire prospect top 10 list and plus let them pick anyone else they wanted... As for the AL team I just don't buy it. I mean we have them in what 2 series? What the f*** are you on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 For a guy like Mark Mulder I would give them our entire prospect top 10 list and plus let them pick anyone else they wanted... As for the AL team I just don't buy it. I mean we have them in what 2 series? LMAO! I'm gald you're not the GM. I'm sure if KW was reading this right now he would be saying "and this jackass rips on me on a daily basis?" :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 LMAO! I'm gald you're not the GM. I'm sure if KW was reading this right now he would be saying "and this jackass rips on me on a daily basis?" :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 LMAO! I'm gald you're not the GM. I'm sure if KW was reading this right now he would be saying "and this jackass rips on me on a daily basis?" :headshake Actually I was one of KW's biggest supporters until the C Lee trade... Until he gets us a decent pitcher i'm disgusted with him.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 well it's simple. BB >>> KW. That has nothing to do with this argument........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 We might actually be able to win a game in Oakland this year...hip-hip hooray... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 That has nothing to do with this argument........ Sabermetrics is a gateway drug. It can lead to other, harder drugs like "Moneyball," and it will eventually cause the abuser to withdrawl from actually WATCHING the baseball game, to cramming a bunch of numbers together to come up with the "next best stat." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 well it's simple. BB >>> KW. For once we agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 LMAO! I'm gald you're not the GM. I'm sure if KW was reading this right now he would be saying "and this jackass rips on me on a daily basis?" :headshake Dude get off KW cock.. Jesus Christ...Beane has had his team in the playoffs form 00 to this past year.. U need to look at reality of KW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 Dude get off KW cock.. Jesus Christ...Beane has had his team in the playoffs form 00 to this past year.. U need to look at reality of KW. How long has Beane been a GM? There's no question he has made some great trades, but he can't get his team past the first round of the playoffs. Like I said, I didn't like KW until the Colon trade. We had a s***ty manager in 2003, that KW wanted to fire bu JR wouldn't let him, and in 2004 the Sox were in first palce at the All-Star break before officially losing Frank and Maggs for the rest of the season. KW and Beane don't use the same system to put a team together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 KW and Beane don't use the same system to put a team together. Your right Beane gets his team into the playoffs almost every year.. KW is 0/4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan420 Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 Zito can be had this off-season. For us it would take a package of BMac/Sweeney/Hernandez no thanks he is a flyball pitcher and would get rocked at uscf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 I personally think Billy Beane is losing his mind. You don't trade two pitchers of that caliber in the same offseason unless you get at least one solid major league level contributor, especially when your offense and bullpen are less than spectacular. Plus if I had to trade two of those big three, Zito would definitely be the last one I keep (unless Mulder has a serious or degenerative injury that I don't know about and Beane does). They may have some major young talent there now, but there is no telling if any of them pan out in the long run, including Harden. I hate to agree with Hawk (I know that is a dangerous precendent), but we gotta wait and see how good Beane is as a GM now that his big arms are gone. He got some major gifts from scouting and minor league development in the Big Three, Chavez, Giambi, and Tejada, which had little to do with his abilities as a GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 bullpen are less than spectacular Their pen is ridiculously good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 Their pen is ridiculously good. Meh -- who's their closer? It's definitely not Dotel, either -- he was garbage in the closer's role... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 Meh -- who's their closer? It's definitely not Dotel, either -- he was garbage in the closer's role... If Street is anything close to what he's shown, he'll be a fantastic closer for years. Dotel's good enough for 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 Their pen is ridiculously good. I certainly wouldn't call them "ridiculously good." They only had two guys in their pen (at least two that pitched significant innings) with ERA's under 3.5, neither of which were their closer or main setup guy. They do have some depth (making them deadly for the 6th and 7th), but their backend is nowhere near as strong as those of other teams. It's possible guys like Garcia, Street, or Cruz can come in and be solid, but they still wouldn't have dependable guys in the 8th and 9th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 Meh -- who's their closer? It's definitely not Dotel, either -- he was garbage in the closer's role... He did blow some games but he was not horrible. This pen is just sick. Kiki calero, octavio dotel, chad bradford, ricardo rincon, juan cruz, justin duchscherer, tyler johnson, huston street, jairo garcia, chris mabeus and tim harikkala. They are all possibilities for the pen next year. Street and garcia would be in almost any other pen to start the year next year. We have no one close to street or garcia in the minors, reliever wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 He did blow some games but he was not horrible. This pen is just sick. Kiki calero, octavio dotel, chad bradford, ricardo rincon, juan cruz, justin duchscherer, tyler johnson, huston street, jairo garcia, chris mabeus and tim harikkala. They are all possibilities for the pen next year. Street and garcia would be in almost any other pen to start the year next year. Too bad they're not going to have any leads to protect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 He did blow some games but he was not horrible. This pen is just sick. Kiki calero, octavio dotel, chad bradford, ricardo rincon, juan cruz, justin duchscherer, tyler johnson, huston street, jairo garcia, chris mabeus and tim harikkala. They are all possibilities for the pen next year. Street and garcia would be in almost any other pen to start the year next year. We have no one close to street or garcia in the minors, reliever wise. The problem is half of those guys haven't proven anything yet, and most of the others didn't do so hot last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 The problem is half of those guys haven't proven anything yet, and most of the others didn't do so hot last year. I am willing to bet their pen is better than ours next year. Who's do you think will better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 The problem is half of those guys haven't proven anything yet, and most of the others didn't do so hot last year. Calero, Dotel, Bradford, Rincon, and Cruz have all proven themselves. (As good pitchers -- granted Dotel's had some problems proving himself as a closer.) That's they heart of your pen right there. Street's probably the best reliever prospect in the majors. Oakland's bullpen is definitely a big strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 Calero, Dotel, Bradford, Rincon, and Cruz have all proven themselves. (As good pitchers -- granted Dotel's had some problems proving himself as a closer.) That's they heart of your pen right there. Street's probably the best reliever prospect in the majors. Oakland's bullpen is definitely a big strength. Garcia is actually who i have heard to be their closer of the future. He has electric stuff. He got roughed up when he was up for like six innings last year but you could just see the movement he has on his pitches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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