WHarris1 Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 So again. How many years has Jon ERA been under 3 ? Ditto Wells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 Those numbers don't matter, acording to some here, I mean I compare OC and Uribe, but no one took into account that Uribe has been in 2 hitters park as home his entre carrer..While OC played in Montreal. So again. How many years has Jon ERA been under 3 ? Didn't you just ask for when he had an era under four? Now you want to know when he has had an era under three? When has well's had an era under three? You flip flop garland wells they would have comparable numbers like it or not. Just because you do not know what era+ is does not mean it doesn't matter or doesn't count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 Enough of this Garland talk. This is about the whole team. Who here believes the CWS will push the payroll to low-80's this year? With the recent signing of El-Duque & the expected signings of at least two more position players to fill the 25 man roster the CWS are now looking at a mid-70's payroll. If the NYY sign Beltran then the CWS+ARZ+NYY Big Unit trade is back on. The NYY can include (Matsui/Sheff/Willams) to make up for Green in the LAD deal. The CWS can supply Garland + Grili to make up for Penny + Brozo in the LAD deal. Both CWS & NYY will throw in a ready to play ml each to complete ARZ needs. NYY will throw in some cash to drop Vazquez's price to the CWS to 30M/3. Who believes the CWS would then take on that salary & drive the payroll to a little over 80M? I never thought I would see the day when the CWS would be spending betw 30-40M on starting pitching. Someone pinch me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxmatt Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 Who here believes the CWS will push the payroll to low-80's this year? If the NYY sign Beltran then the CWS+ARZ+NYY Big Unit trade is back on. The NYY can include (Matsui/Sheff/Willams) to make up for Green in the LAD deal. The CWS can supply Garland + Grili to make up for Penny + Brozo in the LAD deal. Both CWS & NYY will throw in a ready to play ml each to complete ARZ needs. NYY will throw in some cash to drop Vazquez's price to the CWS to 30M/3. Who believes the CWS would then take on that salary & drive the payroll to a little over 80M? I believe they will end up with a payroll in the low 80's or at least the high 70's. I hope that the yankees do sign beltran so we can be in that deal. That is an awesome plan. If that happened our rotation would be awesome. 1.Buehrle 2.Garcia 3.Vazquez 4. Contreras 5. Hernandez Thats the best in the Central by far. We would take the division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 I believe they will end up with a payroll in the low 80's or at least the high 70's. I hope that the yankees do sign beltran so we can be in that deal. That is an awesome plan. If that happened our rotation would be awesome. 1.Buehrle 2.Garcia 3.Vazquez 4. Hernandez 5. Contreras Thats the best in the Central by far. We would take the division. Flip Contreras and Hernandez in the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxmatt Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 Yeah you are right im not sure why i did that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 I'm not sold on Vazquez. He came over from the NL as a power-pitcher. Had a solid 1st 1/2 w the NYY & then fell apart. Wasn't the same. Did teams figure something out on him? That's a huge risk for even 30M/3. Let's shore up the remaining holes & go forward. KW please sign Zaun & Cairo. On paper at least are 7-9 become: 7-Zaun 349 o, 469 s 8-Crede 330 o, 503 s 9-Cairo 368 o, 436 s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 Summing it all up on paper we look pretty good: 1-Buerhle 761 v LH, 731 v RH, 35GS/10L 2-Garcia 696 v LH, 680 v RH, 31GS/11L 3-Hernandez 729 v LH, 624 v RH, 15GS/2L 4-Contreras 751 v LH, 827 v RH, 31GS/9L 5-Garland 771 v LH, 796 v RH, 33GS/11L Hernandez when healthy is arguably the best pitcher on the staff. But because of his being a health risk probably will be in the back-end of the rotation. What you have to like is that over a 162GS, CWS starters are expected to lose no more than 50 games. That makes the CWS competitive in about 112 games. There's a strong possibility of 70-75 wins from this staff, leaving 42 games to be decided by the bullpen. The greatest improvement in this team is the bullpen. We win a little more than 1/2 of those games we win the division. I expect improvement in Buehrle, Contreras & Garland. Look at Garcia's splits. That's what's expected from a front-end rotation guy. Just a 5-10% improvement in these 3 guys could be the difference between 10-15 wins. If they can do that the CWS could run away with the division early. 6-Politte 1036 v LH, 585 v RH, 54G/3L - about a 35/65 split there - specialist v RH 7-Adkins 973 v LH, 768 v RH, 50G/3L - he does it with mirrors - best I can say 8-Cotts 861 v LH, 728 v RH, 56G/4L (1GS/1L as SP) - improvement over Adkins 9-Hermannson 850 v LH, 650 v RH, 47G/9L (18GS/5L as SP) - specialist v RH 10-Vizcaino 586 v LH, 853 v RH, 73G/4L - specialist v LH 11-Marte 471 v LH, 782 v RH, 74G/5L - specialist v LH 12-Shingo 696 v LH, 408 v RH, 59G/4L - best closer in the division! That's a solid BP. You have 2 guys that can handle RH, 2 guys than can handle LH a closer than can handle both & 2 guys that bend but don't break. I would say Adkins & Cotts spots are open to competition in ST. Grili will probably stay in the ml's as a starter & be called up if necc. You are expected the SP to get you to the 7th inning. You have 2 specialists v RH & 1 specialist v LH to get you to Marte. That shouldn't be hard. You have Cotts or someone who beats him out to come in early if a starter gets rocked early. Then will Marte & Shingo it's close to being lights out. Worse case, 27L from the BP. That's 77 losses total & a 85 win total. Reasonable case, 20L from the BP, 70 loses, 92 win total. Best case, 15L from the BP, 65 loses, 97 wn total & division crown. That's why they say it's all about pitching & defense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 The lineup is all about giving your staff a chance to win. With a few more moves the CWS will improve over last yr. 1-Pods .339 o, .405 s, .744 2-Uribe .331 o, .515 s, .846 3-Thomas/Dye .385 o, .528 s. .913 3-Dye (Thomas DL/off) .318 o, .500 s, .818 avg'd his (#3, #4). As a #3 . 876 4-Konerko .353 o, .481 s, .834 5-Dye/Ev .350 o, .525 s, .875 avg'd his (#4,#5). As a #5 .975 5-Everett .360 o, .477 s, .837 (avg'd his #5, #6). As a #5 .724 6-Rowand .399 o, .570 s, .969 avg'd (#1,#2,#6). As a #6 1.217 7-Zaun .361 o, .410 s, .771 avg'd his (#5,#7). As a #7 .818 8-Crede .300 o, .452 s, .752 avg'd his (#7,#8). As an #8 .833 9-Harris .353 o, .378 s, .733 avg'd his (#1,#9). As a #9 .800 9-Cairo .338 o, .377 s, .715 avg'd his (#8, #9). As a #9 .804 10-Everett (Expected to hit 5th when subbing for Thomas or Dye). 11-Davis .256 o, .347 s, .603 avg'd his 1-9. His best in the 8th spot (742) 12-Cairo expected to hit 9th 13-Gload .375 o, .479 s, .854 avg'd his 1-9. He's a solid PH. 14-Perez .285 o, .338 s, .623 avg'd his 1-9. He's below avg as a LH PH. Since Perez is signed, I hope we can get more out of him I believe the CWS will go with 12 pitchers because of there being no so many specialists in relief. Having that extra guy can really make a difference then. As you can see Zaun makes a big difference in the 7th spot in that lineup. It changes the whole 7-9 makeup & makes the CWS a solid threat 1-9. This might be the most balance lineup the CWS has had in the past 4 years. 5 guys with a slg > 500, 7 guys with an obp > 350. With the addition of Pods is even more important to strengthen the 7-9. Look at Pods 3 yrs sit stats: NOn .337, .396, .733 66% of abs ROn .357, .407, .764 34% of abs ScP .388, .447, .835 30% of abs For those thinking 1-Uribe, don't. Pods avg's 1 SB for every 11 AB's. That kind of speed screams lead off. If we get Zaun, I think the season's going to be both exciting & fun! If not I may have to put Davis out of his misery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 Since I'm lobbying hard for the guy here's the latest on his situation: http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/news/mlb...b%26fext%3D.jsp After Greg Myers got hurt in late April, Zaun stepped into the big league starting role and responded with the best season of his career. The switch-hitter finished with the team's third-highest on-base percentage (.367) last season, and he also developed a rapport with Toronto's pitching staff. The opportunity to play regularly will be there again next season with the Jays -- whether he takes it remains to be seen. http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb...s_tor&fext=.jsp Zaun is still negotiating with the Jays, reportedly angling for a two-year deal instead of a one-year deal with an option. By waiving arbitration, he gained an additional small window to talk to Toronto while he weighs offers from the rest of the league. Did I mention he's a SH? VS. LEFT: .272 / .668 VS. RIGHT: .268 / .789 HOME: .254 / .742 AWAY: .285 / .781 He made the min last yr. He's in a sim boat that T Greene was in only he has much more ML experience. Greene signed for 750K, so I think Zaun can be had for 2M/2 + incentives. Look at the BOS Red Sox & the impact David Ortiz made on that team. Sometimes one guy can make a difference. I think this is the guy for the CWS. Kenny make the call! Stalk him if you have too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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