mmmmmbeeer Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Whatever. I just feel it's totally unrealistic to expect KW to "have the starter locked up" when he had to dump Lee's payroll before he could even make an offer. If he had done it the other way around, the Brewers could have known he HAD to move Lee and could have played real hardball. That might have cost us Vizcaino, or have to settle for something less. Lee had trade value with a hell of a lot of teams, not just Milwaukee. I have no question whatsoever that there would have been atleast 5-10 teams that would have taken Lee for two cheap ML players. The point of the deal was to dump salary, not get Pods and Vizcaino. He could have dumped salary quickly had he been able to reel in a SP first....kind of a carriage before the horse thing KW did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Lee had trade value with a hell of a lot of teams, not just Milwaukee. I have no question whatsoever that there would have been atleast 5-10 teams that would have taken Lee for two cheap ML players. The point of the deal was to dump salary, not get Pods and Vizcaino. He could have dumped salary quickly had he been able to reel in a SP first....kind of a carriage before the horse thing KW did. A key thing to consider: These were not just "cheap" pick ups. Pods and Vizcaino are arguably two of the best values at their respective positions [a $500 k leadoff man, and a proven set up/ possible future closer who'll make under $1 mill] available. that the sox got added payroll, in addition to filling holes w/ 2, key, solid players and prob. a decent prospect as the PTBNL, is a bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 A key thing to consider: These were not just "cheap" pick ups. Pods and Vizcaino are arguably two of the best values at their respective positions [a $500 k leadoff man, and a proven set up/ possible future closer who'll make under $1 mill] available. that the sox got added payroll, in addition to filling holes w/ 2, key, solid players and prob. a decent prospect as the PTBNL, is a bonus. 2003 version of Pods, yeah, I agree with you. 2004 and minor league version of Pods gets paid what he deserves. Vizcaino is a solid pickup for the BP, but again, his stats seem to be in line with his salary. We got screwed talent-wise on this deal. Hell, he could have been sent to the Phils for Marlon Byrd and Madson or Chormier as an example. That deal would be comparable in money and any of those players have more upside than Pods or Vizcaino. I know that it's easier to sit on this computer and make up trades than it is to actually work out a deal, I'm just saying that if leadoff and a RP were the true aims of the trade, there were more than likely more reliable guys out there to get for a great hitter whose reasonably priced like Lee. Who knows man, I did get a kick out of the fact that we both saw the Lee trade completely different ways. But hey, that's half the fun, speculating and playing armchair GM. That's why I loooovvee my fantasy baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Whatever. I just feel it's totally unrealistic to expect KW to "have the starter locked up" when he had to dump Lee's payroll before he could even make an offer. If he had done it the other way around, the Brewers could have known he HAD to move Lee and could have played real hardball. That might have cost us Vizcaino, or have to settle for something less. Assuming we end up not picking up an arm and we have to go with a combo of Grilli/Schoey/Cotts/Diaz etc. as the 5ht starter, do you like the Lee/Pods trade anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Assuming we end up not picking up an arm and we have to go with a combo of Grilli/Schoey/Cotts/Diaz etc. as the 5ht starter, do you like the Lee/Pods trade anyway? Of course, I'd prefer we pick up a quality starter. I believe KW had the intent on picking one up when he made the trade. I didn't think we got enough talent when the deal was announced, but then, I wasn't aware of all the clubhouse problems surrounding Lee. So, that could prove to be addition by subtraction. It's really too early to say if this trade will work out. I don't fault KW for putting himself into postion to make a move if one became available. There's a lot of nuances and behind the scene things possible here, that we are not aware of. So, to answer your question in a nutshell. I'm 100% noncommittal on whether I like this trade or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 I think I'd agree with you on this one. At first, I didn't like the trade much because I didn't know about the Podsednik Adventure's speed, then I liked it much more. I'm liking it less now because I'd like to see us get some talent that I'd like with the money that the Sox saved with the likes of Lee. I guess I like the trade, but I don't like like the trade. However, if we picked up a stud of a pitcher, I'd more than like like the trade - I think I'd like like like the trade! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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