RedPinStripes Posted April 2, 2003 Share Posted April 2, 2003 And i'm sick of the "nice guy laid back manager also. " Get an asskickin motivator in here! Carlton Fisk! This will NEVER happen. Yeah, Fisk and JR arent the best of friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 2, 2003 Share Posted April 2, 2003 I agree we shouldn't have brought in White, but do we bring in Marte in the 7th inning to face a bunch of righties? I think we should have brought in Glover. Again...why not bring in White? It is the second game of the year, and you gotta get him in at some time. And last year....once he got out of Colorado(thin air), he threw up a .82 ERA with St. Louis in the playoffs. Fast forward to this year....he is terrible in Arizona(thin air).....when he escaped that s*** and went to KC....where the air is not thin....he will pitch better. Given....he didn't exactly make a good pitch to Randa....but you can't expect that to happen. I thought Rick White was supposed to be the long reliever. That sure wasn't a long reliever spot. He pitches well in his first inning of work...and sucks ass every other inning after that. Glover is the long reliever/spot starter type...along with Josh Stewart in a week or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted April 2, 2003 Share Posted April 2, 2003 And i'm sick of the "nice guy laid back manager also. " Get an asskickin motivator in here! Carlton Fisk! This will NEVER happen. Yeah, Fisk and JR arent the best of friends. That's the understatement of the year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted April 2, 2003 Share Posted April 2, 2003 I love Fisk but I doubt seriously that he has the temperment to manage. I sure am puzzled (to say the least) over bunting in the 9th on 2 strikes and I don't like Graf bunting at all. I have never been fond of White and less so now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted April 2, 2003 Share Posted April 2, 2003 Never liked Manuel...this guy doesn't even try to motivate his team. Hell all he does is wait until they're on 10 game losing steaks and has a "closed door" meeting. I hope Manuel is gone by the end of the year. CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkDJ Posted April 2, 2003 Share Posted April 2, 2003 No matter who's call it was to bunt on 2-0 and 3-2...Tony's gotta execute. He bunted at ball 4 and thats HIS Fault not JM's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 Bring in Wally Backman to manage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan420 Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 Bring in Wally Backman to manage. that would work for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan420 Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 Manuel blows. He never does anythign right. Why the hell are we bunting 3-2 against a 98 mph fastball? Has he completely lost his mind? He should get fired right now. And why did he put White in? We all know White sucks! Why did he wait to put Marte in? That was just pathetic. Youre gonna walk when we win the Series, are you JM? Walk right now and we can win it then... Why not put White in? I guess since he put up a .82 ERA last year with St. Louis, he suddenly sucks. He didn't bring Marte in until Ibanez came up....to get to the lefty-lefty matchup....that is smart managing. It's the error that cost us the game....so even though Manuel is a jackoff for having Graffy bunt 2-0, 3-1, and 3-2(which is the dumbest of all), Konerko should be taking the blame....if he catches the ball on that play, Randa's homer is a solo shot, and the White Sox go into the 9th tied up at 4. Blame Konerko.....if you wanna blame anyone that is. No marte can go up against righties too he should have pitched the entire inning and dont defend rick white he gives up way to many long balls. I realize that....but you work to get the lefty-lefty matchup. lefty-lefty is best but when you have someone that is has dominating has marte it doesnt really matter. a righty-righty matchup doesnt really matter when it is rick white pitching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 lack of speed is gonna kill this club..when your leadoff man gets on base in the 9th he has to be able to steal 2nd..being down a run in the 9th you just cant give up an at bat..tie game yes..down a run ,no btw dumbass manuel , you play for the win on the road and not the tie...wtf is wrong with him??...tony was on base 3 times (?) today??..why not hit and run if he wasnt comfortable with jimenez trying to steal???..if he absolutely had to bunt even with two strikes why not send up the best bunter on the team??...either jose valentin or josh paul?? and wtf was up in the 7th innimg??..we are down a run..sandy gets a hit..he doesnt pinch run for him...jimenez hits a line drive to 2nd..alomar almost gets doubled off first and then manuel pinch runs for him....anyone every see that one before???...slow footed catcher gets on late in the game down a run..you wait until two outs to pinch run for him???...did manuel forget??...i supported manuel for until he screwed foulke over last season...i cant this guy anymore..i was wrong bigtime..he sux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 I'm not upset at the 0-2 start, but I am upset at Manuel's decision to have Graffy bunt the whole at bat. very bad move that is unacceptable. he was too concerned with a DP happening and putting a man in scoring positino for Thomas as opposed to having the one guy who was hitting in the game bat. s***, bunting on a 3-1 count with a guy that can't throw strikes. Thats ridiculous. I understand the idea of getting the guy over, but in that situation its tough. Still, the idea is there and you want the guy on second. I didn't see the game, but did Graffy look bad getting the bunt down? I mean with Frank and Maggs due up after, you want Jimenez on 2nd where a single from one of your big guys ties the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 I didn't see the game, but did Graffy look bad getting the bunt down? Yes. The closest Gaffenino came to laying the bunt down was on a 2-0 count, he bunted the ball about 20 ft down the line before it went foul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 I didn't see the game, but did Graffy look bad getting the bunt down? Yes. The closest Gaffenino came to laying the bunt down was on a 2-0 count, he bunted the ball about 20 ft down the line before it went foul. Seems to me like he's the guy to blame. Especially if he bunted and struck out on ball 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 I'm not upset at the 0-2 start, but I am upset at Manuel's decision to have Graffy bunt the whole at bat. very bad move that is unacceptable. he was too concerned with a DP happening and putting a man in scoring positino for Thomas as opposed to having the one guy who was hitting in the game bat. s***, bunting on a 3-1 count with a guy that can't throw strikes. Thats ridiculous. I understand the idea of getting the guy over, but in that situation its tough. Still, the idea is there and you want the guy on second. I didn't see the game, but did Graffy look bad getting the bunt down? I mean with Frank and Maggs due up after, you want Jimenez on 2nd where a single from one of your big guys ties the game. if im pena...if that bunt was successful id walk thomas even if he is the go ahead run and pitch to maggs who led the sox in hitting into dp's last year.. i dont want to take the bat out of franks hands..hit and run would have been a much better option with graffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 I'm not upset at the 0-2 start, but I am upset at Manuel's decision to have Graffy bunt the whole at bat. very bad move that is unacceptable. he was too concerned with a DP happening and putting a man in scoring positino for Thomas as opposed to having the one guy who was hitting in the game bat. s***, bunting on a 3-1 count with a guy that can't throw strikes. Thats ridiculous. I understand the idea of getting the guy over, but in that situation its tough. Still, the idea is there and you want the guy on second. I didn't see the game, but did Graffy look bad getting the bunt down? I mean with Frank and Maggs due up after, you want Jimenez on 2nd where a single from one of your big guys ties the game. if im pena...if that bunt was successful id walk thomas even if he is the go ahead run and pitch to maggs who led the sox in hitting into dp's last year.. i dont want to take the bat out of franks hands..hit and run would have been a much better option with graffy Graffy is great in that situation and with a 2-0 count you know the odds are good that your seeing a fastball, which is a great hit and run pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 Graffy is great in that situation and with a 2-0 count you know the odds are good that your seeing a fastball, which is a great hit and run pitch. With McDougal in you won't see a worthwhile breaking pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 Was Jiminez running on the pitches that Tony was bunting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 Was Jiminez running on the pitches that Tony was bunting? I don't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 Was Jiminez running on the pitches that Tony was bunting? I don't think so. Then it's Tony's fault, moreso than Manuel's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 Was Jiminez running on the pitches that Tony was bunting? I don't think so. Then it's Tony's fault, moreso than Manuel's. I agree. I think that you can question whether they should of bee bunting, especially bunting with 2 strikes. Still, the bunt made some sense (Hit and run would of been better) but if Graffy gets it down we got a guy in scoring position with our two big bats up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 I agree. I think that you can question whether they should of bee bunting, especially bunting with 2 strikes. Still, the bunt made some sense (Hit and run would of been better) but if Graffy gets it down we got a guy in scoring position with our two big bats up. Furthermore if the runner's not going you can pull the bat back and take the walk, from what I hear that was an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 I agree. I think that you can question whether they should of bee bunting, especially bunting with 2 strikes. Still, the bunt made some sense (Hit and run would of been better) but if Graffy gets it down we got a guy in scoring position with our two big bats up. Furthermore if the runner's not going you can pull the bat back and take the walk, from what I hear that was an option. Ya, that should definately of happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 Bring in Wally Backman to manage. ill go for that one.......hell yeah.............go wally !!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 ok ok ok.... first off, though graff should get a bunt down, s*** SHOULD happen all the time. and since it doesn't, you play the odds, you strategize to try to get the best scenario possible for you. manuel DID NOT do that. 2-0 is ridiculous, 3-1 is worse where he HAS to come with a strike that you should be waiting to drive somewhere. if you have that little confidence in graffanino, why in the hell is he starting in the 2nd game of the year? now, that's interesting. i think i'm actually gonna keep track of losses we can chalk up to jerry manuel. i'll consider this one of them. so the count stands at one. real pathetic. can we not get swept by the royals, please? ps rick white really really really sucks, sucked in spring, sucks now...i'd be up for trying someone else. i know it's 2 games in, but i dont' see it getting much better. he even knows he sucks based on the stuff he's said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 Never liked Manuel...this guy doesn't even try to motivate his team. Hell all he does is wait until they're on 10 game losing steaks and has a "closed door" meeting. I hope Manuel is gone by the end of the year. CWSOX45 I hope manuel is gone by the time i wake up tomorrow. He is a f***ing AWFUL manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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