Jake Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 I got bored so I decided to take stats from some World Series winners, and play with them. First I determined the "core" players. (Players that played nearly every game, or were main part of team when not injured) Then I averaged all of the core players' stats to get a typical winning player's statistics. .282 18 HR 82 RBI .352 OBP .452 SLG 12 SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 thats some damn good offensive numbers for a team average eek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 24, 2004 Author Share Posted December 24, 2004 well remember this is like starting lineup only....but god damn who said defense wins championships? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Socks Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 So why did we trade Carlos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvjeremylv Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 thats some damn good offensive numbers for a team average eek But it's not just an "average" team. It's an average championship team. Winning it all is a whole different ballgame. And to person who asked "Who said defense wins championships?", well, nobody. It's pitching and defense. Take a look at the Red Sox. They led the world in runs scored in the season, but in the final 3 games of the WS, their pitching completely dominated the Cardinals' offense. Game, set, and match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvjeremylv Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 So why did we trade Carlos? Because he doesn't have what it takes to be a winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 So why did we trade Carlos? Apparently, the Sox felt Duque+Pods+Vizcaino+PTBNL+even more financial flexibility > Lee I would tend to agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox91403 Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 That is a great sig witesoxfan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 That is a great sig witesoxfan. Ditto! An awesome sig for an awesome poster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 I liked it too. Give knightni the props though...he is the creator. Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 Very interesting stats there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWs OK for Me Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 But at the same time the Red Sox of 2003 were far and away the better offensive club, if I'm not mistaken it was when they almost set records for team avg, team slg, and runs scored. But they lost that year to the Yankees because the Yankees had the three keys to winning a championship: 1) A dominant closer in Mariano Rivera 2) A great rotation with shutdown pitchers (Clemens, Petitte, Mussina) 3) Solid defense What did the BoSox do differently this year to win it all with a still good, but less inferior offense to the year before: 1) Acquire a dominant closer (Keith Foulke) 2) Acquire another shutdown pitcher (Schilling) 3) Acquire solid defense (Cabrera, Minkerasdhjfadksjz) So yes offense definately wins games, but pitching and defense win championships! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 But at the same time the Red Sox of 2003 were far and away the better offensive club, if I'm not mistaken it was when they almost set records for team avg, team slg, and runs scored. But they lost that year to the Yankees because the Yankees had the three keys to winning a championship: 1) A dominant closer in Mariano Rivera 2) A great rotation with shutdown pitchers (Clemens, Petitte, Mussina) 3) Solid defense What did the BoSox do differently this year to win it all with a still good, but less inferior offense to the year before: 1) Acquire a dominant closer (Keith Foulke) 2) Acquire another shutdown pitcher (Schilling) 3) Acquire solid defense (Cabrera, Minkerasdhjfadksjz) So yes offense definately wins games, but pitching and defense win championships! I agree with most of that But Keith FOulke is far from being a Dominant closer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 I agree with most of that But Keith FOulke is far from being a Dominant closer Actually, compared to everyone but Rivera and Gagne, he's about the best there is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 No Doubt he's good. But he's not Dominant, At least for the Sox he wasn't . Foulke always had trouble with the closing big game IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 No Doubt he's good. But he's not Dominant, At least for the Sox he wasn't . Foulke always had trouble with the closing big game IMO I forget the method that was used, sinced it has been awhile, but one publication calculated Foulke as the 2nd best AL closer (to Rivera) after the 2002 season. If anyone remembers what this was and can retreive it, I'd be greatly appreciative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 I forget the method that was used, sinced it has been awhile, but one publication calculated Foulke as the 2nd best AL closer (to Rivera) after the 2002 season. If anyone remembers what this was and can retreive it, I'd be greatly appreciative. I think you mean 2001. He came in second in the rolaids relief to rivera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 I forget the method that was used, sinced it has been awhile, but one publication calculated Foulke as the 2nd best AL closer (to Rivera) after the 2002 season. If anyone remembers what this was and can retreive it, I'd be greatly appreciative. YAS, I remember there was an article a couple years ago on espn about all the different closers but I'm not sure if that is the one you're talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 I think you mean 2001. He came in second in the rolaids relief to rivera. If definitely was not the Rolaids award. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 If definitely was not the Rolaids award. YAS, I remember the exact article you are talking about. I am just not sure I could find it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 YAS, I remember the exact article you are talking about. I am just not sure I could find it. Ok. At least I know I'm not going crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 Foulke was dominating, except in 2002. He had a lot of Blown Saves that year, IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaseballNick Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 Apparently, the Sox felt Duque+Pods+Vizcaino+PTBNL+even more financial flexibility > Lee I would tend to agree I love math...math, YES!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 24, 2004 Author Share Posted December 24, 2004 Your average winning fielder: 9 E .982 FPG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 I remember the article as well, but I can't find it. Will post it if I do though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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