Kotex has been fired from WMVP

[CSF]

I have no opinion on this move.

[southsider2k5]

OK guys, here is the deal. The other discussion had nothing to do with the subject at hand, so it has been split apart and moved here...

 

http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=27981

 

If you all want to talk more about it, feel free

[Rex Kickass]

I think all this discussion really merits one question:

 

Will Mariotti's departure adversely or positively affect our depth charts at the "Cranky Curmudgeon Columnist" position?

[babybearhater]

That is BS.  ND dominated college football for just about every decade in it's existence until the rules were changes & D students were allowed to play.  Over the years that talent pool has grown from being a small sample to the norm & over that time ND had fallen from dominance. At the same time the D students grew the number of ND academically caliber schools increasing their athletic spending budgets also grew.

 

That's why the analogy to the NYY fits like a glove.  ND"s refusal to lower standards so D students can play is like the NYY working with a self-imposed salary cap while at the same time every team in the ALE is spending as much as they are.

 

Yet despite this self-imposed limitation ND still has more BCS & bowl appearances in that time than any other school that doesn't allow D students to play.  That's where it's history, tradition, & name recognition is similar to that of the NYY.  Even with a self-imposed salary cap the NYY would still draw top talent on that alone.

 

Likewise just like the NYY, ND remains one of the biggest ratings & crowd draws in college football.  That's why the networks are crying over ND not being in a new year's day bowl.  When ND appears on new year's day the ratings for all the games pick up. 

 

You obviously have no idea how much pressure the school is facing to lower it's standards & allow D students to play.  This was even discussed in the recent NBC contract negotiations. The writing is so clearly on the way.  If Weis can't turn it around then the standards are going to be lowered.  Michigan's done it, Ohio State has done it, Pitt has done it, Boston College is expected to do it, & the list goes on.

It hasn't hurt Michigan any so ND should do it as well.  It's just the reality of situation.

 

Is it sad?  Yes.  It means college sports are distancing themselves from academics.

It means there will be less incentives for high school athletes to maintain C's. But that's not ND's decision to make.  It's the NCAA & the conference boards. They brought it into being with the belief it would help these borderline students.  But they were nieve.  Whenever you lower standards for the few, the standards lower as well for the norm.

 

As for ND being among the elite, they still can beat Michigan.  As long as that remains possible year after year that potential remains.

wow, wow, wow is all I can say. Dominated??? hmmm is dominating the early years of a sport really relate to the present times?? Not really, otherwise we would be bragging about a white sox world series, and another championship by the Bears. How about back then when the army, air force, and even my school Miami of Ohio dominated, does that really apply to today..nope not at all. Not letting D students in a school is in now way close to how much money a professional team can spend. How could you even compare the two. Spending more money is a something that alleviates a restriction, while not letting players in, is something that strangles a team.

 

Your argument stinks of someone who grew up loving Rudy, but knows nothing about college football. You want to talk about BCS births being the proof behind a school's draw. The reason why the get bowl births at all, is because they are not in a conference. If you put the ND team in Either the big ten or the SEC for every year that the bCS was in existence, they wouldnt have made maybe one bowl appearence. This is one of the main reasons that they wont join a conference, because it would kill their team alltogether. As for the TV stations crapping themselves because of ratings, every bowl game from today on will have more people watching it. Michigan is wide know to have the largest network of Alum, and you can bet that program, although it lost to lowly ND, will be good again next year, and the next, and the next. Because Michigan is an elite academic institution as well as a football powerhouse.

 

The reason they havent been getting talent, is not neceessarily because they wont let in lower caliber academic students, most of their coaches couldnt recruit a band member to play, let alone a football player. There are plenty of top tier athletes who do very well in school, and yet choose other programs, because they have an actual chance to win.

I understand that the ND golden helmets may bring a tear to your eye everytime you watch Rudy, but the fact is, their football brings a tear to much of the football world. File them away with the old time powers..stick a fork in them, they are done.

 

Im out

[JUGGERNAUT]

Im out

You should stay out because you are clearly an ND hater. You sound like you're foaming at the mouth when you write. Plus you have no idea what you are talking about. Would you like to compare the number of ND football championships & bowl appearances to any other program? You can take pleasure in their recent demise since D grade students are taking over the sport but don't sound like an ignoramous while doing it.

 

Why do you think there are ND rules in the BCS packages? Why do you think ND can go 6-5 or even 500 for that matter & make a bowl game? Because ND is an icon. Just like the NNY. Obviously the analogy of the NYY placing a self-imposed salary cap on themselves went over your head. The analogy fits because ND's refusal to allow D students to play limits their talent pool in the same way a self-imposed salary cap would for the NYY.

 

At least you didn't bother to challenge that among the schools that require a C average to play ND ranks far above the rest in bowl appearances & BCS bowls. That's a clear testament that the school remains popular amongst the masses.

As for recruiting Weis doesn't just have his own merit to sell. Amongst the higher academic institutions like ND, ND ranks far above the others in the number of players who have/are playing in the NFL.

 

I think if you ask the coaches of the BCS schools they are hoping Weis can do it.

They want to see ND back in the BCS maybe even more so than the alumni. Because if Weis can;t do it & ND decides to both admit & allow D students to play

there will be no stopping ND.

 

Armed with a network TV contract that rivals any other school ND will be able to pick & choose from the very best year after year. It will become a stopping ground for kids wanting to play in the NFL. It might even become something of a farm system for the Bears if they remain in the cellar & contiue to draft high.

[ISF]

From 1988-1995 ND was a dominant team. They were cheated of the 1993 National Title.

 

The reason they were one of the top 5 teams in football year after year during this period is because Lou was able to recruit guys that were normally rejected admission to ND. Ever read "Under the Tarnished Dome"? Why was it tarnished if the athletes were NCAA eligible?

 

Bottom line is that ND is held to a higher standard. Florida fires Zook after 2 1/2 years, nobody bats an eyelash. ND fires Willingham after 3 and they are suddenly a "football factory" and "just like everybody else".

 

Well, if they're just like everybody else, why such the fuss, hmmm?

 

[Rex Kickass]

Any 500 team most years can make a bowl game. There are something like 26 or 27 bowls now.

 

I'd just like to see the ND-Marshall Motor City Bowl myself.

[JUGGERNAUT]

Take this to the bank. ND Alumni are as influential & proud & hungry for ND to win as Steinbrenner is for the NYY too. If Weis has trouble recruiting the elite than the standards are going to be lowered. It's inevitable. Willingham's fire is more about that issue than his futility to create a top 10 defensive team.

[The Critic]

Take this to the bank.  ND Alumni are as influential & proud & hungry for ND to win as Steinbrenner is for the NYY too.  If Weis has trouble recruiting the elite than the standards are going to be lowered.  It's inevitable.  Willingham's fire is more about that issue than his futility to create a top 10 defensive team.

I've always hated ND because my uncle ( who didn't even GO there ) is the most obnoxious ND fan in existence.

Unfair? Sure, but the mere thought of Notre Dame makes me want to :puke

[JUGGERNAUT]

OHIO STATE finally confesses that a booster was paying student-athletes. This comes a year after Clarette made the allegations & on the heels of the Alamo Bowl.

Clarette wad driving a different car every other week.

 

It is a sad day for college football. OHIO STATE got away with it. For now.

I can't believe the NCAA did not investigate this themselves & put OSU on probation.

It wasn't just Clarette. Several players had been saying the same thing yet the NCAA choose to allow OSU to deal with it internally. Of course OSU denied the allegations & bought itself enough time to guarantee their bowl eligibility.

 

Even if ND does lower academic standards for athletes to match that of OSU they still have to deal with the payoffs by other schools. Can you win the BCS w/out cheating?

That's the 64K question for today.

 

By the way for all you ND fans, ESPN Classic has an ND classic game on this weekend.

ND re-runs play on New Years!