Mariotti thread offshoot

[Reddy]

As the resident gaybo on this board, I guess its time to do the inevitable and weigh in.

 

I don't know what makes me gay, or bi or whatever the hell I am. I just know what I am - I know its not something I can change, and its not something I've chosen. I'm pretty sure I'm still a Christian and espouse Christian values in many of my actions every day. I'm not arrogant enough to assume that I lead a perfect, saintly life - but I try to follow the Golden rule and the ten commandments. I pray. As to being normal, I hope to God I'm not normal - because I don't think the world could take a whole lot of mes.

 

Now I've seen and heard some stupid s*** on this board, but Juggernaut, what you've said could easily qualify as the most pseudo-intellectual mumbo jumbo I've ever read here - or possibly anywhere else. You basically insinuated that gay people are sub human, or at least not as human as you or any other straight person. And I'd obviously, respectfully disagree.

 

"Gay" is "our" word for what we are. Taking that word and turning it into an insult is akin to you taking African-American and making it mean lazy. It wouldn't be acceptable. So for most people in the gay community, its not acceptable to them.

 

You also said that we are the land of tolerance. Wrong. We are a land of equality, maybe you should consider the phrase "All men are created equal." But maybe that's too old school for you.

 

Throw whatever bulls*** science you wanna throw at me about homosexuality or bisexuality being a choice. Being that I wanted, for a long time, nothing more than to change from what I was and couldn't, I'd beg to differ. Your sexuality is not a conscious choice. However, bigotry is.

you rock man. well said.

[JUGGERNAUT]

Obviously I care more about the free-speech aspect of all this than the gay issue, but I do have a question for the new-schoolers & if SS wants to weigh in that would be fine.

 

What is wrong with letting it run it's course?

 

Example:

A poster referred to Moronitti or something he said as gay.

Why not tolerate that UNTIL someone shows a sensitivity to it?

They can do that by PM'g you, posting themselves (if they are strong-willed) or by PM'g another to show it for you.

 

If no one objects to something then why not just tolerate it?

 

Again I take more issue with not being able to use ethnic slurs than anything else.

The Babe used them, so many other sports icons used them, some use them today.

They are integrated in America's tradition & culture & intolerance towards them shows the worst abuse of political correctness & moral relativism there is.

 

If I call Moronitti a pucchiacha or a puttana for the Cubs is that objectionable simply because I used mob-speak? After all by the strictest interpretation it's an ethnic slur.

In fact anything bad in a foreign language or derivative of such would then be an ethnic slur.

 

If I call Moronitti a facia brutta is that an ethnic slur? Personally I think he's a strunz.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs

There are more Irish than there are Italian. Call me a Papist, a Paddy, A SpudFuker,

or what not. Guess what? I'm proud of it. It means you are distinguishing me for being Irish. That's a lot better than being mundane or irrelevant. I'm proud of my Irish heritage. It's colorful.

 

You might find this interesting.

http://www.socialistworker.org/2004-1/482/...2_HilaryC.shtml

To introduce a quote from Mahatma Gandhi, Clinton said, "He ran a gas station down in St. Louis for a couple of years."

 

Hillary Clinton in It Takes a Village:

"Within and beyond their homes, adults must speak out against racial, ethnic, religious or gender slurs."

 

It amazes me that the very institutions that made 1984 & Farenheit 411 mandatory reading are now in belief of this kind of thought-policing.

[Texsox]

Example:

A poster referred to Moronitti or something he said as gay.

Why not tolerate that UNTIL someone shows a sensitivity to it?

They can do that by PM'g you, posting themselves (if they are strong-willed) or by PM'g another to show it for you.

I jumped in because I was sensitive to it. As quickly as I read it.

 

Next step?

[Reddy]

Obviously I care more about the free-speech aspect of all this than the gay issue, but I do have a question for the new-schoolers & if SS wants to weigh in that would be fine.

 

What is wrong with letting it run it's course?

 

Example:

A poster referred to Moronitti or something he said as gay.

Why not tolerate that UNTIL someone shows a sensitivity to it?

They can do that by PM'g you, posting themselves (if they are strong-willed) or by PM'g another to show it for you.

 

If no one objects to something then why not just tolerate it?

 

Again I take more issue with not being able to use ethnic slurs than anything else.

The Babe used them, so many other sports icons used them, some use them today.

They are integrated in America's tradition & culture & intolerance towards them shows the worst abuse of political correctness & moral relativism there is.

 

If I call Moronitti a pucchiacha or a puttana for the Cubs is that objectionable simply because I used mob-speak?  After all by the strictest interpretation it's an ethnic slur.

In fact anything bad in a foreign language or derivative of such would then be an ethnic slur.

 

If I call Moronitti a facia brutta is that an ethnic slur? Personally I think he's a strunz.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs

There are more Irish than there are Italian.  Call me a Papist, a Paddy, A SpudFuker,

or what not.  Guess what?  I'm proud of it.  It means you are distinguishing me for being Irish.  That's a lot better than being mundane or irrelevant.  I'm proud of my Irish heritage. It's colorful.

 

You might find this interesting.

http://www.socialistworker.org/2004-1/482/...2_HilaryC.shtml

To introduce a quote from Mahatma Gandhi, Clinton said, "He ran a gas station down in St. Louis for a couple of years."

 

Hillary Clinton in It Takes a Village:

"Within and beyond their homes, adults must speak out against racial, ethnic, religious or gender slurs."

 

It amazes me that the very institutions that made 1984 & Farenheit 411 mandatory reading are now in belief of this kind of thought-policing.

by the way its Fahrenheit 451...

 

let him use it until someone gets offended? why not just keep the offense from happening in the first place. i'm not gay but i have a lot of gay friends and the use of gay in that way does offend me. so there Jug you got your wish. someone's been offended.

[Rex Kickass]

I'm sorry, when did the Soxtalk admins start running the world?

 

Maybe you could explain that to me. The reason that that word is not tolerated, if you must know, is a long time ago - when there were more old schoolers than new, there were quite a few people who were bothered with it. So a decision was made to not allow it here. But maybe that's something you conveniently forgot.

[Texsox]

I'm sorry, when did the Soxtalk admins start running the world?

There was a memo a couple weeks back. Only North and South America and parts of Australia. They are working on Asia next. Basically only areas that are currently producing solid baseball players.

[EvilJester99]

Its almost amazing how much this has turned into already... sheesh move on to the next subject!!!

[robino_musolino]

Thanks for sharing winodj.

 

I stopped using "gay" as "stupid" in high school (7 years ago). I never really thought about it before then. It's a pretty ignorant word to use.

[Texsox]

Its almost amazing how much this has turned into already... sheesh move on to the next subject!!!

I'll bet Mariotti doesn't appreciate your avatar

[Rex Kickass]

You're welcome.

[ISF]

Semantics.

 

gay ( P ) Pronunciation Key (g)

adj. gay·er, gay·est

 

1.Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.

2.Showing or characterized by cheerfulness and lighthearted excitement; merry.

3.Bright or lively, especially in color: a gay, sunny room.

4.Given to social pleasures.

5.Dissolute; licentious

 

Usage Note: The word gay is now standard in its use to refer to homosexuals, in large part because it is the term that most gay people prefer in referring to themselves. Gay is distinguished from homosexual primarily by the emphasis it places on the cultural and social aspects of homosexuality as opposed to sexual practice. Many writers reserve gay for males, but the word is also used to refer to both sexes; when the intended meaning is not clear in the context, the phrase gay and lesbian may be used. Like the other names of social groups derived from adjectives (for example, Black), gay may be regarded as offensive when used as a noun to refer to particular individuals, as in There were two gays on the panel; here phrasing such as gay members should be used instead. But there is no objection to the use of the noun in the plural to refer collectively either to gay men or to gay men and lesbians, so long as it is clear whether men alone or both men and women are being discussed.

 

 

Nothing about stupid there. I think you can find a much better word to describe Mariotti. There are plenty of colorful adjectives out there.

[JUGGERNAUT]

As the resident gaybo on this board, I guess its time to do the inevitable and weigh in.

 

I don't know what makes me gay, or bi or whatever the hell I am. I just know what I am - I know its not something I can change, and its not something I've chosen. I'm pretty sure I'm still a Christian and espouse Christian values in many of my actions every day. I'm not arrogant enough to assume that I lead a perfect, saintly life - but I try to follow the Golden rule and the ten commandments. I pray. As to being normal, I hope to God I'm not normal - because I don't think the world could take a whole lot of mes.

 

Now I've seen and heard some stupid s*** on this board, but Juggernaut, what you've said could easily qualify as the most pseudo-intellectual mumbo jumbo I've ever read here - or possibly anywhere else. You basically insinuated that gay people are sub human, or at least not as human as you or any other straight person. And I'd obviously, respectfully disagree.

 

"Gay" is "our" word for what we are. Taking that word and turning it into an insult is akin to you taking African-American and making it mean lazy. It wouldn't be acceptable. So for most people in the gay community, its not acceptable to them.

 

You also said that we are the land of tolerance. Wrong. We are a land of equality, maybe you should consider the phrase "All men are created equal." But maybe that's too old school for you.

 

Throw whatever bulls*** science you wanna throw at me about homosexuality or bisexuality being a choice. Being that I wanted, for a long time, nothing more than to change from what I was and couldn't, I'd beg to differ. Your sexuality is not a conscious choice. However, bigotry is.

Ignorance is bliss. Children will often ignore facts in hope they will no longer be facts.

 

Specifically, I never in my post placed a judgement on your being gay. I neither sanctioned it as being nature or being a choice. To the contrary, I pointed out that leading science believes it to be a function of both. Now you are a single person in a humanity of 6 billion souls. I will not venture into understanding why or who you are because you are statsitically immeasurable as single person. You may be gay due entirely to nature or genetics or you may be gay entirely due to choice. I have no idea in your case. Science rarely works that way. There is rarely a litmus test available to any question. Science deals with probabilities. What is more probable than not.

That is all.

 

Again I never made a judgement. I simply wrote a what if post rooted in recent scientific findings. Nothing more than that. If it turns out to be more choice than nature so what? If it turns out to be less than normal so what? Why should this bother you? What should be most important to you is the freedom to live your life in any way you see fit. Within reason of course. No school, government, or socialist group should stand in your way of doing so. That goes for all Americans.

 

America is the land of tolerance. The references to equality is that we should all

have equal access to that which enhances our standard of living. It has nothing to do with having to think, eat, & act the same so that we are all mundane yet equal robots of some god-forsaken moral relativism.

[FlaSoxxJim]

There are more Irish than there are Italian.  Call me a Papist, a Paddy, A SpudFuker, or what not.  Guess what?  I'm proud of it.  It means you are distinguishing me for being Irish.  That's a lot better than being mundane or irrelevant.  I'm proud of my Irish heritage. It's colorful.

And it's a hell of a lot better than being a %$#$%!! Prod!

 

So in summary, I say no racial or ethnic slurs ... unless it's the %$#$%!! English!

 

And as for the rest... what if we all agreed to go phonetic and use 'ghey' instead.. but only if something is really, really ghey?

[Reddy]

America is the land of tolerance.  The references to equality is that we should all

have equal access to that which enhances our standard of living.  It has nothing to do with having to think, eat, & act the same so that we are all mundane yet equal robots of some god-forsaken moral relativism.

why cant it be a land of acceptance rather than tolerance?

[southsideirish71]

not all irish drink

 

Most of my family missed the memo on this.

[FlaSoxxJim]

Most of my family missed the memo on this.

[JUGGERNAUT]

why cant it be a land of acceptance rather than tolerance?

Because I'm not a F'g robot! I'm not a F'g VG! I'm not a F'g computer screen you can just dictate my likes & dislikes to!

 

I'm a living, breathing, feeling human being. My likes & dislikes are different than yours. We are naturally drawn to things based on how we feel. I don't like Moronitti because of the way he writes. I don't like him for the way he sounds on the radio & I don't like him for the way he looks on ESPN.

 

And guess what? I feel good when I don't him! Oh my God! Don't have a heart attack now! Don't go wizzing in your pants! But yes it's possible for humans to feel good when they don't like something or someone.

 

Do you know what else? Humans feel good when they rib each other! Maybe not in your mundane robot Hillary made village but they do where I live. They laugh about.

They even say "that's a good one!" Yes, believe it or not there are some of us who's lives are patterned off the Soprano's & man does it feel good! Real good!

Calling each other ethnic slurs lights up the whole backyard barbecue! Damn! You can even hear the laughter down the street it gets so loud!

 

And some of us light up stoggies too!

 

And I'll say another thing. I hate all of you for not letting me hijack this thread in support of ethnic slurs.

 

To answer Texsox, & all the rest of you moral relativist prudes who think it is more important to protect against the use of the word d-g-o than to protect the right to prayer for 99% of the students in MS against the objection of a few others it's pretty simple. We use ethnic slurs just like we use any other form of slang BECAUSE IT'S FUN!

 

I travel all around the world including the Far East & guess what? They use more slurs than we do! That includes Mexico, Argentina, Australia, England, & Japan.

Now I've never been to France or Germany so I can't speak for the thunderdome of the socialist plague there. But in all those other places they do it because it's fun!

They like to laugh & eat hearty & it's part of their nature! No one ever gets up & says I find that rude or offensive because THEY DON'T TAKE IT SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!!!!

[Rex Kickass]

Ignorance is bliss.  Children will often ignore facts in hope they will no longer be facts.

 

Specifically, I never in my post placed a judgement on your being gay.  I neither sanctioned it as being nature or being a choice.  To the contrary, I pointed out that leading science believes it to be a function of both.  Now you are a single person in a humanity of 6 billion souls.  I will not venture into understanding why or who you are because you are statsitically immeasurable as single person.  You may be gay due entirely to nature or genetics or you may be gay entirely due to choice.  I have no idea in your case.  Science rarely works that way.  There is rarely a litmus test available to any question.  Science deals with probabilities.  What is more probable than not.

That is all.

 

Again I never made a judgement.  I simply wrote a what if post rooted in recent scientific findings.  Nothing more than that. If it turns out to be more choice than nature so what?  If it turns out to be less than normal so what?  Why should this bother you?  What should be most important to you is the freedom to live your life in any way you see fit.  Within reason of course.  No school, government, or socialist group should stand in your way of doing so. That goes for all Americans. 

 

America is the land of tolerance.  The references to equality is that we should all

have equal access to that which enhances our standard of living.  It has nothing to do with having to think, eat, & act the same so that we are all mundane yet equal robots of some god-forsaken moral relativism.

Perhaps you didn't read what I said. Maybe it was a little confusing. I'll try to share it with you monosyllabically.

 

I. Don't. Care. What. Makes. Me. Gay.

It. Was. Not. My. Choice. To. Be. It.

 

I don't pretend to speak for any other gay person on this planet. I only speak for me. But I have talked to enough people and called 911 to help stop enough suicides to realize that the idea of being gay as a conscious choice, is frankly laughable in most cases.

 

I respect peoples' freedom to think what they want about gay people - because frankly I don't give a s***. But when people insinuate that queer folk are "less than equal," I reserve the right to call that person full of s***. You can claim to say that you haven't done that, but the backhanded insults in what you write are pretty clear to me. And I'm generally oblivious.

 

America is as much a land of tolerance as we are a democracy. The truth is that we are neither. We are a republic based on the notion of equality. Equal rights for equal people. According to the founding documents of our country, all men are created equal, not tolerant. And there are several people that have been on this board that are good examples of that.

[Punch and Judy Garland]

People who resort to homosexual or racial/ethnic slurs as insults are revealing a true lack of intelligence as the terms they are using just don't relate to what they are trying to say. Most of the time profanity is used by people who are not bright enough or creative enough to search for proper adjectives. If you want to use Mike North as a model for how to talk or behave then best of luck to you.

[T R U]

People who resort to homosexual or racial/ethnic slurs as insults are revealing a true lack of intelligence as the terms they are using just don't relate to what they are trying to say. Most of the time profanity is used by people who are not bright enough or creative enough to search for proper adjectives. If you want to use Mike North as a model for how to talk or behave then best of luck to you.

So im not intelligant because I say

 

"Thats f***ing gay" in refering to say.. my mom tellin me I cant go out tonight?

 

Theres a difference if your saying "Your f***ing Gay" to a gay person or if your with your friends and you say "Dude come on, quit being gay"

 

Older people wouldnt agree with this, but thats just how it is now a days

[JUGGERNAUT]

Perhaps you didn't read what I said. Maybe it was a little confusing. I'll try to share it with you monosyllabically.

 

I. Don't. Care. What. Makes. Me. Gay.

It. Was. Not. My. Choice. To. Be. It.

 

I don't pretend to speak for any other gay person on this planet. I only speak for me. But I have talked to enough people and called 911 to help stop enough suicides to realize that the idea of being gay as a conscious choice, is frankly laughable in most cases.

 

I respect peoples' freedom to think what they want about gay people - because frankly I don't give a s***. But when people insinuate that queer folk are "less than equal," I reserve the right to call that person full of s***. You can claim to say that you haven't done that, but the backhanded insults in what you write are pretty clear to me. And I'm generally oblivious.

 

America is as much a land of tolerance as we are a democracy. The truth is that we are neither. We are a republic based on the notion of equality. Equal rights for equal people. According to the founding documents of our country, all men are created equal, not tolerant. And there are several people that have been on this board that are good examples of that.

You refuse to let me HIJACK this thread DESPITE all my efforts! I hate you

 

I'm probably not the right person to tell you this but you mentioned 911 & suicide so

let me try to help. You should never be ashamed of something that seems entirely natural to you. Ever. I did not say you weren't equal, I was just giving you insight in how most heterosexuals view the issue of gay marriage. The truth. Not the media-spin.

 

I do not feel the same as they do. I think there are things in every one of us that define are innate core. Things that can not be re-programmed or corecively burned out through re-education. That is who we trully are. For whatever reason you are gay. So what? Be proud of who you are.

 

If someone were to tell me that most Irish people are alcoholics because of genetic inheritance & that I should take care of that in future offspring I would laugh about it.

I would not take offense. It's a stereo-type comment that is funny. Hell as I said before I'm proud of my Irish heritage including the myth that Irish kids get their first drink when they are tall enough to grab it from the bar.

 

There I go trying to hijack the thread again. Let me try another example & believe me this coming from a Bible thumper is going to seem weird but then those who know me know that I believe in democracy & freedom above all else especially & including political correctness & moral relativism.

 

Are you offended if I were to ask you if you thought of being gay as a sexual fetish?

If so, why? Is it really any different for you to like men then say for me to like women with small feet? There are so many sexual fetishes in the world & I don't think any one thinks of them as being unequal or one being better than the other.

Sure some might border on being legal & civil but those are the extremes. Implants exist because some men have a sexual fetish for big breasted women. In Asia they would crop feet for centuries because some men have a sexual fetish for small footed women. They still do in some parts.

 

The point of all this is that a sexual fetish is an innate part of who we are. It's not something we read about or are taught about or practice to grow a liking to. It's just something that comes natural. Maybe there were genetic or social causes that brought it about. No one knows. There is research being done but it's not so we can place a value on them but rather because we are curious creatures who want to know. We constantly ask the question "why?" about everything. It is what distinquishes us the most from every known form of creation in the Universe & why we believe we are God's children.

 

Do I accept you as being gay? Yes. I'm not a bigot. I don't know why you are any more than you do but I do believe it feels as natural to you as my own sexual fetishes do to me. At some point we all come under attack when we like something that does not seem normal or is simply disliked by someone else. That simply means that person doesn't share them. It doesn't mean they are right & you are wrong or vice-versa. It simply means what comes natural to you doesn't come natural to them.

 

Now the people I don't accept are the socialist marauders who believe that what comes natural to them MUST come natural to all. They know who they are. Those who see political correctness & moral relativism not as an option but a rule. They are the enemy. They are the one's likely to impose genetic manipulation to reduce the differences amongst us. They represent the Borg within humanity. Those are the people I don't accept but out of devotion to freedom & democracy continue to tolerate. For now any way BOOOOOOOHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

THREAD HI-JACK AGAIN:

Is it ok for me to use ethnic slurs in reference to myself? Do I not have the right to ridicule even myself?

[JUGGERNAUT]

People who resort to homosexual or racial/ethnic slurs as insults are revealing a true lack of intelligence as the terms they are using just don't relate to what they are trying to say. Most of the time profanity is used by people who are not bright enough or creative enough to search for proper adjectives. If you want to use Mike North as a model for how to talk or behave then best of luck to you.

And then they wonder WHY I hate MORAL relativists & PC cops like yourself. I/I've know/known people who have Phd's in English lit as well as foreign languages.

Guess what? They use slurs to. Why? Because it adds COLOR to the conversation!

 

Maybe no one ever taught you this but SLANG is a form of entertainment. It's comedic & sarcastic in nature. Those words do exist in the english language. The PC cops haven't re-written them yet. It has nothing to do with intelligence. Do you even know what intelligence is? Inteliigence is the ability to use knowledge. If you know SLANG & know how to use it then you are actually exhibiting more intelligence than someone who does not.

 

Which brings up an entirely different debate. What value is their in a dictionary if they are constantly going to re-write definitions? Since when does moral relativism & political correctness supercede the value of historical fact & record? Yet that is EXACTLY what has been happening over the past decade. The Borg is trying to assimilate us all into Oscar Mayer Wiener singers.

[Rex Kickass]

Depends on the word, depends on the setting.

[Punch and Judy Garland]

Thanks for the lecture on intelligence. I would have thought ignorance to be more of your specialty.

[JUGGERNAUT]

Thanks for the lecture on intelligence. I would have thought ignorance to be more of your specialty.

Apparently you don't know the meaning of that word either

I wouldn't want to make it too complex for you, so try to remember this ...

Ignorance is the absence of knowledge. Now you can add to that the following ...

either as a result of laziness, refusal to learn (lack of an open-mind), or circumstances beyond one's control.

 

Hmmm .. I would definitely say refusal to learn fits you like a glove.