beck72 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 From the Daily News, FWIW: A few parts stand out. Among them that AZ has agreed privately tried to oblige Vazquez and trade him to a team near the east coast. And that they want an established SP in return [at minimum]. The Phils may offer Randy Wolf. So far the O's seem willing to trade Erik Bedard [who coming off tommy john surgery, has some health issues--and was shut down at the end of last yr]. I don't know who the tigers are willing to trade. But a Sox pkg starting w/ Garland [or would Contreras be a possible match?--Az seems to be a crappy judge of talent] has to be right there with these teams. Contreras can be lights out. But he also may only go 1 inning after walking 10 batters. Even if Garland has been mediocre, at least he's been better about not beating himself with 5 BB's in an inning. The price for Vazquez shouldn't go through the roof. Though the O's know Vazquez through mgmt's ties with him in Mon. With the bar set for Hudson and Mulder, and Vazquez a step below them, it's within reason the sox could get him for less than what has been mentioned all off season Here's the link: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball...2p-228675c.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 I was thinking about that too and if ARI would take Contreras then they could keep the money they got with JV, that might be very appealing to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 31, 2004 Author Share Posted December 31, 2004 I was thinking about that too and if ARI would take Contreras then they could keep the money they got with JV, that might be very appealing to them. Interestingly enough, Contreras won a June 15th game at AZ, going 6 1/3 IP, 2 er, 5 hits, 6 k's and 2 bb's. Maybe that stuck with them. we know how KW likes targeting guys who play well vs the Sox. With Contreras, he's a big risk. Esp with el duque's health concerns. Garland is more consistent. I'd rather keep Garland, who at 25 still has potential to get it together. At 33 Contreras should have his act together. And you're right, Az prob. wouldn't have to give much in terms of cash in the deal, which is important for them as they've signed a few FA's this yr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 It'll take more than either Garland or Contreras to get Vazquez. Probably another solid major leaguer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 31, 2004 Author Share Posted December 31, 2004 It'll take more than either Garland or Contreras to get Vazquez. Probably another solid major leaguer. If the starting point is a SP like Randy Wolf or Erik Bedard [both injury risks] the sox have a solid shot at getting him. Add a bullpen arm like an Adkins and Joe Borchard, sounds doable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 31, 2004 Author Share Posted December 31, 2004 One thing I forgot about: Brad Halsey, the SP AZ got from NY, is a LHP. Both Bedard and Wolf are LHP's. They may have gotten their one LHP in the deal and want a rHP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 It'll take more than either Garland or Contreras to get Vazquez. Probably another solid major leaguer. Everett? Now if KW could spin Contreras and Everett into Vazquez and then sign AJ I would take back everything I've said(and most of what I've thought) about him and offer him a few . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Beck, you have some good points and upnorthsox, that's exactly what I was thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Note from the NY Times: As for the Diamondbacks, they will now try to ship Vazquez to the Chicago White Sox for outfielder Paul Konerko and a pitcher, or to Baltimore for a combination of players, including relief pitcher Jorge Julio, starting pitcher Erik Bedard and outfielder Jay Gibbons. Arizona has also talked about sending Navarro and some of its own prospects to the Dodgers for outfielder Shawn Green." outfielder Paul Konerko? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 LOL!!! Something about the phrase "Outfielder Paul Konerko" just gets me giggling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 LOL!!! Something about the phrase "Outfielder Paul Konerko" just gets me giggling. I just noticed that and added a comment to my post about the same time you posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 I just noticed that and added a comment to my post about the same time you posted. It's funny in that every yr we go thru "What do we do with Frank in the NL parks" and someone always suggests that we could put Konerko in the OF. The novelty of leading the league in Inside-the Park-Home-Runs allowed gets me chuckling out loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 No way Konerko gets dealt, unless there's another deal in turn where we get another power hitter in return. And yes, I would trade Contreras before Garland. He's about $2,800,000 more expensive, and far more of a risk as far as I'm concerned. Whether Arizona would go for that, I doubt it. Somehow I see the name Brian Anderson getting mentioned a lot considering he's an Arizona native and went to the University of Arizona. I thought yesterday Garland and Anderson would be the starting price, and unless the D-Backs will take Everett instead, that's what I think they're going to ask for, although one of Cotts, Adkins, Munoz or Diaz could be thrown in as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 once again ny paper thrive on konerkos name for vasques lol. People we have 1-5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 once again ny paper thrive on konerkos name for vasques lol. People we have 1-5 Wouldn't you consider Vazquez to be an upgrade over Garland or Contreras though? Imagine a rotation of Buerhle, Garcia, Vazuez, Hernandez and Garland 1 to 5. If the price is right, it could help put us over the top in the division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 31, 2004 Author Share Posted December 31, 2004 I could see the sox making an offer of Contreras and Brian Anderson or Garland and Everett--each w/ a bigger salary included. AZ prob will get Shawn Green for RF. Anderson could play CF for them soon. Contreras and Anderson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southside hitmen Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 I would be so happy if we can get Vasquez in a deal plus sign AJ and Iguchi.. Going into the season we will be tough to beat... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 I could see the sox making an offer of Contreras and Brian Anderson or Garland and Everett--each w/ a bigger salary included. AZ prob will get Shawn Green for RF. Anderson could play CF for them soon. Contreras and Anderson? The D-Backs don't have a lot of options for CF besides Luis Terrero. Anderson could be roaming the BOB outer fields by 2006 if he can continue his upward ascent through the minors. Contreras would be the dominating arm in the rotation, and the D-Backs have shown they like sinker ballers with Brandon Webb. But also the Dodgers have to come into consideration as well. Will Vazquez be included along with Dioner Navarro for Shawn Green? If I'm Paul DePodesta, I gotta say yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 If I'm ARI dealing with the Sox I'd demand that Gload be a part of any package, IMO he'd thrive in that bandbox and also fill a critical role for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 I have to applaud the Sox for attempting a total makeover in 5 months. I wouldn't have said this 2 months ago, or even one month ago, but I could see PK dealt for a chance to lock in another starting pitcher. I am also beginning to wonder if that isn't the best path to WS. Defense wins championships in every other sport. IN a 7-game series, trotting out 3 or 4 solid starters may be the best option around for a medium market/payroll team. Hitters get hot and cold, most MLB pitchers are more consistent in their performances. Bang 'em hard hasn't produced an October surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Note from the NY Times: outfielder Paul Konerko? Not much range, but what he gets to, he catches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 31, 2004 Author Share Posted December 31, 2004 While I'm leading the 'trade Contreras' faction, does he have a no-trade clause? I know he waived it to come to the Sox. But does he still have it? He seems like a stand up guy, who might waive it ['I didn't want to stay where I wasn't wanted' about leaving NY] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Not much range, but what he gets to, he catches. He also shows savvy base running speed, converting 80% of his steal opportunities lifetime, including 100% in 5 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 If the starting point is a SP like Randy Wolf or Erik Bedard [both injury risks] the sox have a solid shot at getting him. Add a bullpen arm like an Adkins and Joe Borchard, sounds doable. borchard sounds like a good choice to go along Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Konerko and Garland or Contreras for Vazquez is insanity. But I wonder if PK has asked to go to Arizona. Grew up there. Lived there. That might factor into the equation. If Konerko is dealt as part of the package, Arizona would have to give us more than Vazquez in return. I'm not real familiar with their inventory, but a middle infielder would be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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