Bears Draft Pick Poll

[Chisoxfn]

Walter Jones and Orlando Pace will be franchised so you can forget about them. You named one offensive lineman out of how many? Remember Johnathan Ogden? Jordan Gross? Tony Boselli? John Tait? Orlando Pace? Walter Jones? There are a ton others that are definately worth it and D'Brickashaw Ferguson is thought of as a franchise type LT especially if he adds more bulk. Scouts say he may have the best footwork for any OT ever!

 

WRs turn out to be busts more than not in the first round. Much more so than OTs.

Orlando Pace will be in Cleveland. I have this on good source that this is the team he most wants to go to. If he's franchised then its much more unlikely, but he wants to go back to Ohio.

 

Walter Jones may not get franchised. Alexander and Hasselbach are both out there and could be priorities over Jones who has wanted out of Seattle for some time now.

[Chisoxfn]

From what I have read and heard Lovie will bring in someone to run the same system if they do end up firing Shea. It is not the system they are having a problem with, it is the person calling the plays and the person running the system they have a problem with. Lovie loves the St. Louis/KC offense and wants to run it here. I do agree with you that you need a TE, but I don't see a difference maker in that dept.

The TE from Virginia (Heath Miller) is supposed to be pretty good. I think thats his name and where he played. I've heard a few people who watch Virginia play say he's the real deal. I can't say cause I never really payed much attention to them.

[jackie hayes]

From what I have read and heard Lovie will bring in someone to run the same system if they do end up firing Shea. It is not the system they are having a problem with, it is the person calling the plays and the person running the system they have a problem with. Lovie loves the St. Louis/KC offense and wants to run it here. I do agree with you that you need a TE, but I don't see a difference maker in that dept.

Yeah, I hadn't heard that until today, about picking someone from the same system. It's true that Williams and Edwards are much different wr than those in KC and St L. I still don't think too much of KC's receivers, and I think our offense will look more similar to KC than St Louis. (I'm not sure St L's style will fit the Bears, or Soldier field, very well.)

 

We can't count on Henry lasting till we pick, so there has to be a backup plan. Since te is a position of need, it seems like a useful backup plan, but of course you're right, it only makes sense if there's value. I don't have any idea who might be available there, myself.

[T R U]

Orlando Pace will be in Cleveland.  I have this on good source that this is the team he most wants to go to.  If he's franchised then its much more unlikely, but he wants to go back to Ohio. 

 

Walter Jones may not get franchised.  Alexander and Hasselbach are both out there and could be priorities over Jones who has wanted out of Seattle for some time now.

 

Jones may want out of Seattle but he most likely will not get his wish.. Seattle has franchised him like 5 years in a row now..

 

What they are most likely going to do is Franchise Jones, because blue chip LT's are NOT easy to get.. They will work out a deal with Hasselbeck, you dont let top QB's go.. and let Shaun Alexander walk.. A RB is much easier to replace, and they have Maurice Morris and also the draft to pick someone up..

[T R U]

I would love to have a game breaking WR, but I just don't think that either Mike Williams or Braylon Edwards fit with the Bears system or are worthy of the #4 overall pick. I would pick OT D’Brickashaw Ferguson from Virginia in the first round and then hope that WR Chris Henry from West Virginia is still there in the 2nd round and grab him. I really like Chris Henry and most are projecting him to go in the 2nd-3rd round range. If Ferguson comes out early this year then he could potentially be our left tackle for the next 15-20 years.

 

Mike Williams is ranked 4th on Mel Kipers board..

 

1. Cedric Benson

2. Ronnie Brown

3. Cadillac Williams

4. Mike Williams

 

Mike Williams is worth the #4 pick and he will be a very solid NFL WR, he is just like Keyshawn Johnson just with a better attitude..

 

Ferguson has not declared yet and from what im hearing he may not.. but if he does he would most likely be the first tackle taken.. He is a stud

[Soxbadger]

Kiper's board does not include underclassmen.

 

Also, Williams has not run a 40 time yet for this draft. If it is sub 4.5, his value is top 5. If it over 4.5, his value will be around 10.

 

SB

[jackie hayes]

Kiper's board does not include underclassmen.

 

Also, Williams has not run a 40 time yet for this draft. If it is sub 4.5, his value is top 5. If it over 4.5, his value will be around 10.

 

SB

 

I know his time this year will be all-important, but I'm just trying to remember -- wasn't 4.5 about what he ran last year?

[southsideirish]

QUOTE(Man Of Steel @ Jan 4, 2005 -> 07:37 PM)

Mike Williams is ranked 4th on Mel Kipers board..

 

1. Cedric Benson

2. Ronnie Brown

3. Cadillac Williams

4. Mike Williams

 

Mike Williams is worth the #4 pick and he will be a very solid NFL WR, he is just like Keyshawn Johnson just with a better attitude..

 

Ferguson has not declared yet and from what im hearing he may not.. but if he does he would most likely be the first tackle taken.. He is a stud

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Ok, he may be on Kiper's board at 4 but I don't think he fits the Bears offense or is what Lovie calls a "quick twitch" player. He is a big guy who some have even considered moving to TE. He just doesn't fit our system. If Ferguson does not declare then I get Barron, but I believe Ferguson will declare.

[southsideirish]

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Jan 4, 2005 -> 08:01 PM)

Kiper's board does not include underclassmen.

 

Also, Williams has not run a 40 time yet for this draft. If it is sub 4.5, his value is top 5. If it over 4.5, his value will be around 10.

 

SB

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Has he ever ran a sub 4.5? I don't believe he has. I would rather have Ferguson or Barron at 4 and try to get Chris Henry in the second round.

[southsideirish]

QUOTE(Man Of Steel @ Jan 4, 2005 -> 07:33 PM)

Jones may want out of Seattle but he most likely will not get his wish.. Seattle has franchised him like 5 years in a row now..

 

What they are most likely going to do is Franchise Jones, because blue chip LT's are NOT easy to get.. They will work out a deal with Hasselbeck, you dont let top QB's go.. and let Shaun Alexander walk.. A RB is much easier to replace, and they have Maurice Morris and also the draft to pick someone up..

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You are right, there is no way they let Jones walk. He will be franchised. They will let Alexander walk because as you said they have Morris and the draft to replace him. The latest crap that came out of his mouth may have helped them say goodbye. I am pretty sure they will get a deal worked out with Hasselbeck as well. The most wanted man is definately Jones and they can not afford to let him go. There is no way he does not get franchised.

[T R U]

Has he ever ran a sub 4.5? I don't believe he has. I would rather have Ferguson or Barron at 4 and try to get Chris Henry in the second round.

 

Williams does not run a sub 4.5

 

he ran a 4.5 with the wind and a 4.6 against

[T R U]

Oh also... I dont know how many of you werent aware of this but all the teams with the same record change order after every round. The team that picked first out of the group with the same records picks last among that same group in the next round and everyone picks one pick higher.

 

Here's an example for the 5-11 teams

 

Round 1

Chicago

Tampa

Tennessee

Oakland

 

Round 2

Tampa

Tennessee

Oakland

Chicago

 

Round 3

Tennessee

Oakland

Chicago

Tampa

[Soxbadger]

Williams has never ran a sub 4.5, hence why he is not a top 5 lock. Ive seen him in mock drafts going as low as the 20s, and as high as the Bears pick.

 

No matter what Im sure hes been trying to get his speed up, because that 1 tenth of a second is worth millions of dollars, as there is no question about his hands, size, etc.

 

Thats why its impossible to really predict his position until he runs, as well as Edwards.

 

With Shea fired, I think a lot will depend on the new OC. If we get a guy like Martz, Id expect offense with our high pick. If we get an unexperienced guy, I have to expect defense.

 

SB

[ChWRoCk2]

Oh also... I dont know how many of you werent aware of this but all the teams with the same record change order after every round. The team that picked first out of the group with the same records picks last among that same group in the next round and everyone picks one pick higher.

 

Here's an example for the 5-11 teams

 

Round 1

Chicago

Tampa

Tennessee

Oakland

 

Round 2

Tampa

Tennessee

Oakland

Chicago

 

Round 3

Tennessee

Oakland

Chicago

Tampa

 

forgot all about that but the only team i saw that would draft an ot 2nd round is tennessee

[CWSGuy406]

Kiper's board does not include underclassmen.

 

Also, Williams has not run a 40 time yet for this draft. If it is sub 4.5, his value is top 5. If it over 4.5, his value will be around 10.

 

SB

 

Ugh... Maybe it's just me, but I absolutely hate judging a guy based on .1 or .2 tenths of a second on a 40 time.

 

Terrell Suggs had a s***ty combine, and it dropped him six friggin' spots, from four, to where he was projected to go, to ten. I don't think the Ravens regret that pick...

 

If a guy can play, he'll show it through his college career. Mike Williams can play -- I don't care if he's only been in the league one year, the kid can play. He's willing to go over the middle, he can go deep, he's a playmaker.

 

You can bet a couple of things, with our new offensive coordinator. First, he's going to see Justin Gage, and say, "Damn, this kid needs to be on the field". But, he'll also see a need for one real playmaker on this offense. Mike Williams can be that guy, our go-to-guy...

[WHarris1]

I'm with a ya.

Aw, hes one tenth of a second slower then him. I know it matters to some, but he dominated in college, he's a damn playmaker.

We need a playmaker.

[T R U]

Ugh...  Maybe it's just me, but I absolutely hate judging a guy based on .1 or .2 tenths of a second on a 40 time.

 

Terrell Suggs had a s***ty combine, and it dropped him six friggin' spots, from four, to where he was projected to go, to ten.  I don't think the Ravens regret that pick...

 

If a guy can play, he'll show it through his college career.  Mike Williams can play -- I don't care if he's only been in the league one year, the kid can play.  He's willing to go over the middle, he can go deep, he's a playmaker.

 

You can bet a couple of things, with our new offensive coordinator.  First, he's going to see Justin Gage, and say, "Damn, this kid needs to be on the field".  But, he'll also see a need for one real playmaker on this offense.  Mike Williams can be that guy, our go-to-guy...

 

well that little bit of time matters a lot more for a WR than a LBer but I do agree with you.. He is still gonna be a very good WR

[DBAHO]

Rumors are coming out of Dallas today that Flozell Adams could be a salary - cap cut in the off-season. Now while I think this is probably unlikely, it's more probabale he'll move to RT so Jacob Rogers can slot into his favored position at LT, the Bears could be one of the teams interested in him, he was a Pro Bowler last season. The cap hit would be pretty big though, but I'm sure the Cowboys would like to move up to #4 to pick Rolle and still be able to keep their 2nd 1st rounder as well if at all possible.

[ChWRoCk2]

Flozell Adams could be a salary - cap cut in the off-season. the Bears could be one of the teams interested in him, he was a Pro Bowler last season.

 

id rather draft a guy with youth than take flozell, if hes gonna cost much i dont want him signed not allowing bears to get anyone else

[knightni]

Rumors are coming out of Dallas today that Flozell Adams could be a salary - cap cut in the off-season.

 

I've watch Flozell this year during Cowboys games. There is a reason other than salary why he is being cut in the offseason. :puke

[Chisoxfn]

I can't see Flozell getting cut, but I guarantee you, if at all possible Angelo will look to land a big time OT in FA cause then he can move down in the draft and focus on getting a few playmakers, mostly on the offensive side of the ball, but the Bears could use a LB as well.

 

I don't know how much money they have, but if they can sign a stud LT in free agency and a solid WR, then they could move down in the draft, snag a LB, draft a WR early, and get a TE. The rest of the draft get depth in other areas.

[knightni]

if at all possible Angelo will look to land a big time OT in FA

 

 

That may be true, but the top OTs in this draft can be had in the 20s in the first round.

 

There are more skill position players to be had in this draft than I can remember in a long time.

[Chisoxfn]

That may be true, but the top OTs in this draft can be had in the 20s in the first round.

 

There are more skill position players to be had in this draft than I can remember in a long time.

I don't know. The two names I hear are that Alex Barron or whatever out of Florida and D'Brickshaw. Most mock drafts I see have them going top 7. D'Brickshaw I've seen going as high as 3.

 

But until the combines this is pure speculation. I know this, if Walter Jones finally gets to be unrestricted then the Bears need to do all they can to get him. However, if that doesn't happen, maybe offer the Bears 1st round to the Seahawks for Jones and there 1st and the Seahawks can grab the WR they need.

[BlackBetsy]

I voted offensive line. After watching football for 25 years, I have really come to the conclusions that all the truly great teams have great offensive lines. The '85 Bears, with Covert (one of the best 10 T of all time), Hilgenberg (one of the best 10 C of all time), Bortz (All Pro in later years), Thayer, and Van Horne (weakest of 5, but a #11 overall draft pick) were one of the best offensive lines ever.

 

Offensive lines make your QB better by giving him more time to throw (example - Manning this year, Erik Kramer in 1995 - sacked only 12 times and had the best season for a Bear QB ever).

 

Offensive lines make decent RB great. Example - any running back out of Denver the last 8-10 years. Reuben Draughns...are you kidding me? Olandis Gary? Clinton Portis ! Portis average 5.5 yards per carry last year with Denver. Portis never averaged 5.5. yards per carry in a SINGLE GAME this year.

 

Offensive lines make defenses better. A great running game keeps defenses off the field and fresher...makes a huge difference in the second half.

 

If I were running a team, not only would I draft O-Line with my top picks all the time, I would let the world know that my team values O-Line, make the O-Line heroes in the city, and basically make all the FA O-Line guys want to come to play in that town. I'd have the best 5 out there starting, and at least 3 guys who would start on any other team shuttling in and out to keep the starting 5 fresh.

 

Running backs are a dime a dozen - get a great O-line and you're getting holes big enough for any good college back to run through. Quarterbacks have to be only intelligent enough to make smart passes...and receivers have to catch the balls thrown to them. I might spend a high draft pick on a really tall receiver (tower over DB's) with great speed and hands a la Randy Moss if he came along...but everything else, O-line.

 

If you can't tell, I feel strongly about this.

[ChWRoCk2]

I don't know.  The two names I hear are that Alex Barron or whatever out of Florida and D'Brickshaw.  Most mock drafts I see have them going top 7.  D'Brickshaw I've seen going as high as 3.

 

But until the combines this is pure speculation.  I know this, if Walter Jones finally gets to be unrestricted then the Bears need to do all they can to get him.  However, if that doesn't happen, maybe offer the Bears 1st round to the Seahawks for Jones and there 1st and the Seahawks can grab the WR they need.

 

thats kind of dumb to me, bears first concern really is a wide receiver, and the seahawks have a pretty low pick

 

ive been saying all along the chargers have two first round picks, therefore we trade our second and a player for one of their first round picks and what do you know we can get a wr and ot