whitesox91403 Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 QUOTE(hi8is @ Jan 3, 2005 -> 10:10 PM) i just read in the mailbag responce part of chisox.com that we KW is believed to have offered AJ a deal that is "signif**antly lower then his 3.5 million dollar salary from last year." my question is, if there is such a need for catchers in MLB and AJ can be had for around 3.5 million... why should we believe that he will sign for us for less then what he just got paid... when he did a good job last season? also, why should we believe that another club hasnt offered him something close to what he got last year? I just read that too. I hope he's not low balling AJ here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsSuck1 Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 QUOTE(chi-guy2 @ Jan 3, 2005 -> 06:17 PM) my only concern is that maybe we shouldnt have signed ben davis, because i like burke a lot better and davis cant hit, pierz will most likely limit the other catchers playing time Burke should see time if he makes the 25 man roster, as he was Buehrle's cather while he was up last year. That and we seem to like carrying three catchers in the bigs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 You'd think Dioner Navarro was rookie of the year, mvp, and every other individual award at the major league level. This guy batted a combined .321 at high a and double a, a pretty common feat for future major leaguers if you look through the numbers. If the Dodgers are out of the Pierzynski running on Navarro being there starting catcher this season, Depodesta is absolutely crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jan 3, 2005 -> 06:46 PM) If timo was never resigned that would help alot right about now. He is doing nothing more than wasting money and a roster spot. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He's clutch and he hits well with RISP. You have to realize he was used as an everyday player last year when Maggs went down, which won't be his role next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jan 4, 2005 -> 05:06 AM) He's clutch and he hits well with RISP. You have to realize he was used as an everyday player last year when Maggs went down, which won't be his role next year. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Danny Bautista, Dee Brown, Tom Goodwin, Brian Jordan, Dustan Mohr, etc. would have all signed for half the cost of Timo Perez. Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jan 3, 2005 -> 11:13 PM) Danny Bautista, Dee Brown, Tom Goodwin, Brian Jordan, Dustan Mohr, etc. would have all signed for half the cost of Timo Perez. Just a thought. Has any of them posted a .400 RISP off the bench, or hit in the clutch? Mohr is probably the only guy that I like on that list and even he isn't that great (then again.. neigher is Timo.) But like santo said Timo won't have to play a big role like he did last season (barring injuries) Timo is a nice bat to have off the bench to pinch hit with runners on. I'll take him over most of the other sox players in that situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 Uh Oh, I see GHC and qwerty on this thread For the record I agree with dorf and ace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 I like this stat of the day from baseball prospectus. Player Team EqA PECOTA Projected VORP VORP Joe Borchard CHA .202 11.1 -11.0 Timo Perez CHA .220 4.2 -8.3 Brian Jordan TEX .216 6.4 -7.0 Abraham Nunez KCA .224 1.9 -4.0 Darnell McDonald BAL .120 2.2 -3.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 what is this clutch you speak of? should Timo Perez be more valuable to this team than Paul Konerko because he had a better batting average with runners in scoring position? Give me a break. Timo Perez is a reserve outfielder and a pinch hitter. When your OPS is in the low .400's as a pinch hitter you are not doing your job and therefore don't deserve a raise nor one million dollars when a guy like Dustan Mohr can be had for half the cost thus allowing for more flexibility to sign Pierzynski. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jan 3, 2005 -> 11:32 PM) what is this clutch you speak of? should Timo Perez be more valuable to this team than Paul Konerko because he had a better batting average with runners in scoring position? Give me a break. Timo Perez is a reserve outfielder and a pinch hitter. When your OPS is in the low .400's as a pinch hitter you are not doing your job and therefore don't deserve a raise nor one million dollars when a guy like Dustan Mohr can be had for half the cost thus allowing for more flexibility to sign Pierzynski. Stats aren't everything. Timo was very valuable to this team last year, he's a very good bench player regardless of what his stats are, when the game is on the line Timo is one of the guys you want up at the plate. Not only that he was the only guy that could lay down a stinking bunt last year to move runners over. R and W if a difference of 500,000 dollars prohibits of from acquiring A.J. we have issues. It's not what you hit, it's when you hit it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jan 3, 2005 -> 11:32 PM) what is this clutch you speak of? should Timo Perez be more valuable to this team than Paul Konerko because he had a better batting average with runners in scoring position? Give me a break. Timo Perez is a reserve outfielder and a pinch hitter. When your OPS is in the low .400's as a pinch hitter you are not doing your job and therefore don't deserve a raise nor one million dollars when a guy like Dustan Mohr can be had for half the cost thus allowing for more flexibility to sign Pierzynski. Mohr wanted to go wherever he would get a good amount of playing time and that was not here. Also how would he have signed for half the price of what timo is making? Mohr is gonna be making $ 950,000, timo one million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 I don't see why people see Timo as a wasted bench spot. I'd bet a lot of teams would kill to have him on their bench. He's not the smartest player in the world, but he really hunkers down when there's RISP. Late inning pinch hitter is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jan 3, 2005 -> 11:32 PM) what is this clutch you speak of? should Timo Perez be more valuable to this team than Paul Konerko because he had a better batting average with runners in scoring position? Give me a break. Timo Perez is a reserve outfielder and a pinch hitter. When your OPS is in the low .400's as a pinch hitter you are not doing your job and therefore don't deserve a raise nor one million dollars when a guy like Dustan Mohr can be had for half the cost thus allowing for more flexibility to sign Pierzynski. God do you read post at all? Geez, I said nothing about him being valuable from batting average And I'm sure why I even bother responding to a hard headed poster like yourself. I already stated Timo is a great bat to have off the bench. I agree that 1 million dollars for him is awful, but you can't say Mohr (even though I like Mohr) would post a better average or be better in RISP. Who knows if he can have a down year. I'm not that big of a fan of Timos but I like him cause he's unique (in his own way of style of cathing the ball) he's clutch and hardly K's. I'll say it again, Timo is a good bat to have off the bench but he was overpriced. I'll say it again, Timo is a good bat to have off the bench but he was overpriced. Should I say it again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jan 4, 2005 -> 05:38 AM) Mohr wanted to go wherever he would get a good amount of playing time and that was not here. Also how would he have signed for half the price of what timo is making? Mohr is gonna be making $ 950,000, timo one million. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Mohr is a free agent. Who are you his agent? How do you know he will be making 950k next season? :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jan 3, 2005 -> 11:41 PM) Mohr is a free agent. Who are you his agent? How do you know he will be making 950k next season? :rolly Or maybe this. Dustan Mohr and the Rockies have reportedly agreed to terms one a one-year, $950,000 contract with a mutual option for 2006. The deal could be finalized today. Mohr will compete with Brad Hawpe for playing time in right field and act as a backup in left and center. http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...ort=MLB&id=6789 http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/rock...3428918,00.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 QUOTE(SoxAce @ Jan 4, 2005 -> 05:40 AM) God do you read post at all? God, I said nothing about him being valuable from batting average And I'm sure why I even bother responding to a hard headed poster like yourself. I already stated Timo is a great bat to have off the bench. I agree that 1 million dollars for him is awful, but you can't say Mohr (even though I like Mohr) would post a better average or be better in RISP. Who knows if he can have a down year. I'm not that big of a fan of Timos but I like him cause he's unique (in his own way of style of cathing the ball) he's clutch and hardly K's. I'll say it again, Timo is a good bat to have off the bench but he was overpriced. I'll say it again, Timo is a good bat to have off the bench but he was overpriced. Should I say it again? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Timo Perez has a .194 on base percentage and a .415 ops pinch hitting over the last three seasons. He is not a good pinch hitter. He is not a good pinch hitter. He is not a good pinch hitter. Should I say it again jackass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jan 4, 2005 -> 05:43 AM) Or maybe this. http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...ort=MLB&id=6789 http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/rock...3428918,00.html <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Mohr was used purely as an example. I missed that one, as did MLB.com, I apologize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 I think right now is time for that famous quote... Let's agree to disagree. The topic of Timo Perez has seen the battlefield too many a time. It's time we lay it to rest and the let the season bring upon us what Timo Perez does next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 :rolly Like I kept saying good bat to have off the bench. Which means to fill in a role for a tired player, or to give a starter the day off. Hell, some of those pinch hit at bats might be cause he moves the runner along or even if he makes outs, I'm sure some (if not most) are from the bases empty and i don't go by his previous seasons. If thats the case then Uribe should be mediocre and Loaiza shouldn't even had landed here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 QUOTE(Mr. Zero @ Jan 4, 2005 -> 05:39 AM) I don't see why people see Timo as a wasted bench spot. I'd bet a lot of teams would kill to have him on their bench. He's not the smartest player in the world, but he really hunkers down when there's RISP. Late inning pinch hitter is all. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't see Timo as a wasted bench spot. I like what he brings to the table, and know that he's known for his bat with runners on base. I only suggest looking at an alternative option for Timo if the 500-650k would help sign Pierzynski. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 QUOTE(SoxAce @ Jan 4, 2005 -> 05:40 AM) God do you read post at all? Geez, I said nothing about him being valuable from batting average And I'm sure why I even bother responding to a hard headed poster like yourself. I already stated Timo is a great bat to have off the bench. I agree that 1 million dollars for him is awful, but you can't say Mohr (even though I like Mohr) would post a better average or be better in RISP. Who knows if he can have a down year. I'm not that big of a fan of Timos but I like him cause he's unique (in his own way of style of cathing the ball) he's clutch and hardly K's. I'll say it again, Timo is a good bat to have off the bench but he was overpriced. I'll say it again, Timo is a good bat to have off the bench but he was overpriced. Should I say it again? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> For the record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 QUOTE(Mr. Zero @ Jan 3, 2005 -> 11:45 PM) I think right now is time for that famous quote... Let's agree to disagree. The topic of Timo Perez has seen the battlefield too many a time. It's time we lay it to rest and the let the season bring upon us what Timo Perez does next year. I agree. This will be my last post in this thread about Timo. Let's just see him be solid (or mediocre) for us so we can crown our sox the 2005 champs now shall we. R&w can have his little last word in I really don't care anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 QUOTE(Mr. Zero @ Jan 4, 2005 -> 05:45 AM) I think right now is time for that famous quote... Let's agree to disagree. The topic of Timo Perez has seen the battlefield too many a time. It's time we lay it to rest and the let the season bring upon us what Timo Perez does next year. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He's signed, it should be a non-issue, but in this day and age when money is all and all is money, that 500k could be essential to signing Pierzynski. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 Man, I really hope we sign Pierzynski. /getting back to the original topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 QUOTE(SoxAce @ Jan 4, 2005 -> 05:50 AM) I agree. This will be my last post in this thread about Timo. Let's just see him be solid (or mediocre) for us so we can crown our sox the 2005 champs now shall we. R&w can have his little last word in I really don't care anymore. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That sounds rather SOP for someone who comes into a thread way over his head and finds rather quickly, as usual, that he knows nothing about the topic at hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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