Texsox Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 CNN Link OKLAHOMA CITY, Oklahoma (AP) -- Oklahoma taxpayers spent almost $4.2 million to provide a defense for bombing conspirator Terry Nichols, paying for such things as books, seminars, lawn care, coffee sweetener and an alarm system. Expenses filed by court-appointed defense attorney Brian Hermanson included $28.05 so Nichols could read the book, "The American Terrorist," an account of the life of Oklahoma City bombing mastermind Timothy McVeigh. A $300 claim was filed for lawn care costs for one of the defense attorneys, whose $750-a-month rental house in McAlester was paid for by taxpayers during Nichols' trial before a Pittsburg County judge. More at the link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Jan 4, 2005 -> 01:27 PM) CNN Link More at the link. Another reason to respect lawyers. :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Unbelievable! McVeigh was a child compared to this scum bag. I read all about him. He was bad news. Drugs, beaten people, murder conspiracies, & a major vendetta against the DEA&FBI. Lawyers are out of F'g control! I hope someone in OK protests against this. Call your local officials & complain, complain, complain! Do it so often they get sick to their stomach & change the law there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 6, 2005 Author Share Posted January 6, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jan 5, 2005 -> 11:04 PM) Unbelievable! McVeigh was a child compared to this scum bag. I read all about him. He was bad news. Drugs, beaten people, murder conspiracies, & a major vendetta against the DEA&FBI. Lawyers are out of F'g control! I hope someone in OK protests against this. Call your local officials & complain, complain, complain! Do it so often they get sick to their stomach & change the law there. Would you also limit the amount of money the state spends to convict the accused? Limiting the resources that an innocent poor person has is a great way to get poor people off the streets. Poor, accused of a murder? Just go right to jail. Save us all some money, hell we know you are guilty. Rich, accused of a murder? Hire a legal Dream Team, search for the real killers, and in a few years, attend your college's BCS National Championship Game. Justice, American Style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jan 5, 2005 -> 11:04 PM) Unbelievable! McVeigh was a child compared to this scum bag. I read all about him. He was bad news. Drugs, beaten people, murder conspiracies, & a major vendetta against the DEA&FBI. Lawyers are out of F'g control! I hope someone in OK protests against this. Call your local officials & complain, complain, complain! Do it so often they get sick to their stomach & change the law there. Hmm, but wouldn't that be denying McViegh his free speech rights to be heard by a jury of his peers with the best defense possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Come on you two, I think you know that's not what he means (At least I hope it's not since I'm defending him ) I think he means the BS about lawncare and a book. Come on, this is ridiculous. And coffee sweetener? Everyone knows coffee's better black anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 QUOTE(mreye @ Jan 6, 2005 -> 10:20 AM) Come on you two, I think you know that's not what he means (At least I hope it's not since I'm defending him ) I think he means the BS about lawncare and a book. Come on, this is ridiculous. And coffee sweetener? Everyone knows coffee's better black anyway! Spoilsport. :finger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 6, 2005 Author Share Posted January 6, 2005 QUOTE(mreye @ Jan 6, 2005 -> 10:20 AM) And coffee sweetener? Everyone knows coffee's better black anyway! I like my coffee like I like my women . . . . . . bitter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 The problem is the system. It's corrupt to no end because of greed. Re-design the system so that it's less corruptible. Common sense. Refer to the miranda rights. If you can not afford an attorney the court will appoint one for you. No where does that imply the defense as a right to bilk taxpayers for lawncare services! And I agree wholeheartedly on capping the prosecution as well. It always comes down to weighing whether the value of their prosecution is worth more than the cost of their prosecution. In the OK city bombing case prosecuting Nichols is probably worth the cost but in most cases it's probably not. Like medical fees, legal fees are skyrocketing out of control as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Shouldn't capitalists believe that the market should determine the cost? After all, lawyers are just working hard to make theirs, why should anyone control that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 QUOTE(winodj @ Jan 10, 2005 -> 09:38 PM) Shouldn't capitalists believe that the market should determine the cost? After all, lawyers are just working hard to make theirs, why should anyone control that? That's the problem, they're using government money. If everyone came out of their own pockets prices would be much more reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 I was being facetious actually. There should be a limit to what lawyers can charge for and can't charge for. But I think part of this problem is having people go to court sometimes five or six times for the same thing... and Terry Nichols is a prime example. If you're convicted of a federal crime, why should you be subject to the same trial for the same crime on a state level? Especially in a situation where the sentence is death or life without parole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 QUOTE(winodj @ Jan 10, 2005 -> 03:38 PM) Shouldn't capitalists believe that the market should determine the cost? After all, lawyers are just working hard to make theirs, why should anyone control that? And afterall dollar vote is the truest measure of freedom of speech... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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