YASNY Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I'm glad to see Ryne get in. All anti-Cub BS aside, he was a very good ballplayer in all facets of the game and a consummate professional. And as a personal note, I have the complete 1983 Topps set which has rookie cards for both of today's inductees. Tony Gwynn should make it from that set too, when he becomes eligible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 5, 2005 -> 09:28 AM) I'm glad to see Ryne get in. All anti-Cub BS aside, he was a very good ballplayer in all facets of the game and a consummate professional. And as a personal note, I have the complete 1983 Topps set which has rookie cards for both of today's inductees. Tony Gwynn should make it from that set too, when he becomes eligible. I have the Gwynn, Sandberg, and Boggs rookies from that set. Awesome set. My personal favorite is the 1985 set with the McGwire, Puckett, and Clemens rookies. I just love the way that those cards look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 QUOTE(Yoda @ Jan 4, 2005 -> 04:34 PM) Yea, but look at the class of 2007! No kidding! 2007: Harold Baines, Derek Bell, Dante Bichette, Bobby Bonilla, Jeff Brantley, Jay Buhner, Ken Caminiti, Jose Canseco, Eric Davis, Tony Fernandez, Tony Gwynn, Darryl Hamilton, Pete Harnisch, Charlie Hayes, Glenallen Hill, Ken Hill, Stan Javier, Wally Joyner, Ramon Martinez, Mark McGwire, Paul O’Neill, Gregg Olson, Cal Ripken Jr., Bret Saberhagen, Jeff Shaw, Kevin Tapani, Devon White, Bobby Witt I could see 4 or 5 going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 QUOTE(mreye @ Jan 5, 2005 -> 12:49 PM) No kidding! I could see 4 or 5 going. The case for Belle, from the Trib Imagine the sight of Albert Belle stepping up to the lectern in Cooperstown in 2006 and giving an impassioned speech about his love of baseball. Can't picture it? Neither can I. But that won't stop me from voting for Belle when his name appears on the Hall of Fame ballot next December, his first year of eligibility. The voting guidelines ask that eligible Baseball Writers Association of America voters consider a player's "record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character and contributions to the team(s) on which he played." Obviously, there are many who consider Belle's anti-social behavior to be a character defect, considering he once chased some kids in his truck after they egged his house one Halloween, threw a ball at a photographer and launched into an obscenity-laced tirade against a female television reporter. But if "character" really were a factor in Hall of Fame voting, players like Ty Cobb never would have made it in. There are few saints in the Hall of Fame, including one of this year's inductees, Wade Boggs. Looking at the pitiful vote totals the surly Jim Rice has received in his 11 years on the ballot, I realize voting for Belle is a lost cause. But I never saw a more feared hitter than Belle in his prime. Playing in an era with Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire, Belle was the most dominant slugger of the 1990s, driving in more runs (1,099) than any other player. He earned five Silver Slugger Awards with Cleveland and the White Sox and finished among the top 10 in MVP voting five times despite his famous disdain for sportswriters. Some believe Belle's ornery demeanor was solely responsible for his second-place MVP finish in 1995, when he finished eight points behind Boston's Mo Vaughn despite playing for a pennant winner and being the first player in history with 50 home runs and 50 doubles. Belle ranks 17th in major-league history with a .564 slugging percentage, making him one of the game's greatest power hitters. Few realize Belle's .655 slugging percentage with the Sox in '98 was higher than Sammy Sosa's .647 percentage with the Cubs during his 66-home run season that year. After retiring at the age of 34 in the spring of 2001 because of degenerative arthritis in his right hip, Belle basically disappeared from view. He lives in Scottsdale, Ariz., and follows the Minnesota Vikings around. Belle told Minneapolis Star-Tribune columnist Patrick Reusse last week that the low point for him as a Vikings fan was being at Soldier Field last month during the Vikings' 24-14 loss to the Bears. "What was so upsetting was to see Chad Hutchinson have a great game," Belle said. "I told the people I was with at the game, `Watch him the rest of the year. He's going to be garbage.' And he has been." Belle's numbers are on par with those of Kirby Puckett, who was a first-ballot Hall of Famer and a friend to any sportswriter who was in need of a quote. Belle finished with 381 home runs and 1,239 RBIs in a 12-year career, numbers that are much higher than the 207 homers and 1,085 home runs Puckett produced in a similar 12-year career that was cut short by glaucoma. Belle's .369 on-base percentage was higher than Puckett's .360, though he hit .295 in his career to Puckett's .318. Puckett's image took a hit because of some questionable behavior after his retirement, well after he had been inducted into the Hall of Fame. Belle can't erase his past. He only can hope enough voters ignore his image and look at the numbers he put up in a relatively short period of time. I only interviewed Belle once in my career, during the 1997 All-Star Game, so my support has nothing to do with any kind of personal relationship. But I voted for Puckett and I'll do likewise for Belle for one simple reason. He deserves it. Their time is coming 2006 Rick Aguilera Tim Belcher Will Clark Alex Fernandez Gary Gaetti Dwight Gooden Ozzie Guillen Juan Guzman Orel Hershiser Gregg Jefferies Lance Johnson Doug Jones Roberto Kelly Mickey Morandini Hal Morris Jaime Navarro Luis Polonia Mike Stanley Walt Weiss John Wetteland Mark Whiten 2007 Harold Baines Derek Bell Dante Bichette Bobby Bonilla Jeff Brantley Jay Buhner Ken Caminiti Jose Canseco Eric Davis Tony Fernandez Tony Gwynn Darryl Hamilton Pete Harnisch Charlie Hayes Glenallen Hill Ken Hill Stan Javier Wally Joyner Ramon Martinez Mark McGwire Paul O'Neill Gregg Olson Cal Ripken Jr. Bret Saberhagen Jeff Shaw Kevin Tapani Devon White Bobby Witt 2008 Shawon Dunston Travis Fryman David Justice Mike Morgan Tim Raines Randy Velarde 2009 Mark Grace Rickey Henderson Dean Palmer Dan Plesac Matt Williams 2010 Edgar Martinez Robin Ventura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 QUOTE(mreye @ Jan 5, 2005 -> 06:49 PM) No kidding! I could see 4 or 5 going. Really? Who, specifically? The only guys that are worthy in my mind are McGwire, Ripken, and Gwynn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Jan 5, 2005 -> 01:15 PM) Really? Who, specifically? The only guys that are worthy in my mind are McGwire, Ripken, and Gwynn. those are all first ballot guys -- Baines won't get in, but he will be an interesting precursor to Frank's chance at the hall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jan 5, 2005 -> 01:38 PM) those are all first ballot guys -- Baines won't get in, but he will be an interesting precursor to Frank's chance at the hall. Looking at Belle's numbers and remembering his dominance, he could be a guy who gets in down the road. I think the sportwriters will hold him up, but when a new generation takes over, who could judge him without bias, I think he could make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 QUOTE(ChiSoxFan @ Jan 4, 2005 -> 12:44 PM) Boggs made it in with 90% of the vote. Sandberg just made it by 6 votes. Congrats to both. Boggs was a shoo in but I didn't expect Ryno to make it this time around. Good for them both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 5, 2005 -> 07:43 PM) Looking at Belle's numbers and remembering his dominance, he could be a guy who gets in down the road. I think the sportwriters will hold him up, but when a new generation takes over, who could judge him without bias, I think he could make it. Belle is a certain hall of famer in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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