DonkeyKongerko Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 Regardless of performance, I do not think the starting catcher job is up for grabs this Spring Training. I think AJ at 2.25 million could only lose the job in April or May with a terrible performance AND the Sox being below .500. Also I don't know if it was posted but whitesox.com is doing a position-by-position series of articles. The catcher article posted a few days ago had a very doubtful tone and it has now changed to "Pierzynski a force behind the plate for White Sox". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easyw Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 not sure if my view of the AJ is any different, but it is what it is: http://southsideadventures.blogspot.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 I'm sticking to my original stance. If Davis beats out AJ in ST with BA, OPS, & CERA he will get 3/5 starts in April. Anything else & AJ will get either 3/5 or 4/5. I see no scenario where AJ relegates Davis to nothing more than a bench player. Regardless of who shows up as the better C in ST, Davis will be used often as a pinch runner & pinch hitter. Koney might be faster than AJ. The CWS have 3.25M spent on C in 2005. They are going to squeeze every drop of performance out of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxmatt Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Easyw, I like what you said about Aj grounding into alot of double plays. Between him and Konerko that is going to be alot of them. I see why you have alot of concerns, but you gotta admit, he is a big step up from Ben Davis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxmatt @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 07:11 PM) Easyw, I like what you said about Aj grounding into alot of double plays. Between him and Konerko that is going to be alot of them. I see why you have alot of concerns, but you gotta admit, he is a big step up from Ben Davis. People need to realize that it is hard to stay out of them when you have someone getting on so much ( bonds). He was never one to ground into alot of double plays before last year with the giants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babybearhater Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 I'm sticking to my original stance. If Davis beats out AJ in ST with BA, OPS, & CERA he will get 3/5 starts in April. Anything else & AJ will get either 3/5 or 4/5. I see no scenario where AJ relegates Davis to nothing more than a bench player. Regardless of who shows up as the better C in ST, Davis will be used often as a pinch runner & pinch hitter. Koney might be faster than AJ. The CWS have 3.25M spent on C in 2005. They are going to squeeze every drop of performance out of that. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> so basically, you are trying not to back up your stance that Ben Davis has more than a 50 percent chance of being our starting catcher. You can just admit you were wrong, and be an admirable poster, or you can continue vomitting crap onto this topic. There is NO WAY that BD will beat out AJ, never in a million years. Take my bet!!!!! I have season tickets in section 144, and they would be good seats to watch cubs/sox if you win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 I'm not knocking AJ for his GIDPs. All I'm saying is that there are enough question marks surrounding AJ & KW's confidence is that high in Davis to where it's not a slam dunk for AJ to beat out Davis & get the majority of starts. I hope AJ's being here helps Davis. It would be good for the CWS to not see that much of a drop-off between them when Davis pinch hits or pinch runs for someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxmatt Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 07:35 PM) People need to realize that it is hard to stay out of them when you have someone getting on so much ( bonds). He was never one to ground into alot of double plays before last year with the giants. Damn good point. But Aj is still pretty slow. I still expect him to ground into alot of double plays... But not 27. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 There is NO WAY that BD will beat out AJ, never in a million years. Take my bet!!!!! I have season tickets in section 144, and they would be good seats to watch cubs/sox if you win <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It would be stupid to take that bet. On both sides. The risk of injuries to C's is higher than other players. Since they are both competing for the lead role they might not disclose such injuries to the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babybearhater Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 It would be stupid to take that bet. On both sides. The risk of injuries to C's is higher than other players. Since they are both competing for the lead role they might not disclose such injuries to the team. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Back up what you say, you said after ST that BD would be the starter, you even gave yourself better than 50 percent chance of winning the bet, or you could just admit that you were talking out of your ass. There is absolutly no competition for the role, in fact, I would think that there would be more compeitition for the backup role between Burke and BD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Davis isn't going to be the Sox starter or at least I hope not, cause if it is it means PYrz is really sucking or injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Let's look at the facts shall we? As a prospect BD was heralded as the next J Bench. His stock was much higher than that of AJ's. Athletically he possesses more talent than Bench did. He has speed, power, & quickness w the bat. He has a strong arm & was at one time considered one of the best defensive C prospects in all of the ml's. Now BD has not been given the chance to play everyday but he did have considerable success in the ml's. Athletically he is superior to AJ in every way. He has not been given the opportunity to prove what kind of hitter he could be. He hit in ml's. Then struggled with Seattle & did better after moving on to the CWS. So I do not think it is impossible for BD to post a better OPS, & CERA in ST than AJ. Nor do I think it's impossible that in doing so he might impress Ozzie enough to win the starting role. Now you obvious think it's impossible so it would be best just to agree to disagree. But I will say this much. I would prefer an average hitting BD over a good hitting AJ. BD's speed will equal more runs than AJ's strength. Provided that BD can hit reasonably well to get on base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jan 10, 2005 -> 03:43 PM) Let's look at the facts shall we? As a prospect BD was heralded as the next J Bench. His stock was much higher than that of AJ's. Athletically he possesses more talent than Bench did. He has speed, power, & quickness w the bat. He has a strong arm & was at one time considered one of the best defensive C prospects in all of the ml's. Now BD has not been given the chance to play everyday but he did have considerable success in the ml's. Athletically he is superior to AJ in every way. He has not been given the opportunity to prove what kind of hitter he could be. He hit in ml's. Then struggled with Seattle & did better after moving on to the CWS. So I do not think it is impossible for BD to post a better OPS, & CERA in ST than AJ. Nor do I think it's impossible that in doing so he might impress Ozzie enough to win the starting role. Now you obvious think it's impossible so it would be best just to agree to disagree. But I will say this much. I would prefer an average hitting BD over a good hitting AJ. BD's speed will equal more runs than AJ's strength. Provided that BD can hit reasonably well to get on base. Are you related to ben davis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 Soxtalk agreement, I barely remember the cosmic convergence that must happen for that to occur. And Juggs was | .................................................................................................... ........................................................................... | this close to having it right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 Always good to look back at what might have been... good or bad. AJ is one heckuva a player and it is safe to say he was a huge, and still is, part of the winning Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 and in the meantime Ben Davis has gone on to become one of the best catchers in the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 13, 2008 -> 11:37 AM) Always good to look back at what might have been... good or bad. AJ is one heckuva a player and it is safe to say he was a huge, and still is, part of the winning Sox And thusly needs to finish his career as a Southsider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 13, 2008 -> 01:49 PM) and in the meantime Ben Davis has gone on to become one of the best catchers in the league California Penal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 QUOTE (Brian @ Sep 13, 2008 -> 07:11 PM) California Penal? Independent league in New Jersey... same difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 QUOTE (scenario @ Sep 13, 2008 -> 09:04 PM) Independent league in New Jersey... same difference. I was just making a "Major League" reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 QUOTE (Brian @ Sep 13, 2008 -> 10:05 PM) I was just making a "Major League" reference. I know. And I was just making a weak joke that pitching in New Jersey was no better than being in prison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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