southsider17 Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 QUOTE(3E8 @ Jan 7, 2005 -> 11:26 AM) Do you mean we will go as high as 5 million per year? We are already above 3 million per. No, we're at 2 yrs., $4 mil (that's $2 mil per year). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Do you mean we will go as high as 5 million per year? We are already above 3 million per. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No, by all accounts we are no higher than $2M per year. Levine is saying the Sox might go up to $3M per year on a two year deal, total value $6M. Sox will not give Iguchi a 3 year guaranteed contract. They're still negotiating and until they're not, there is reason to believe this could happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Jan 7, 2005 -> 05:22 PM) But you think Levine is a shmuck, why would you believe him and not the papers? i didn't say I beleived him, I am just reporting what he said. Get with the program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Oh okay, I'm sorry. I thought we were offering 4 per year not 4 total. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Jan 7, 2005 -> 05:29 PM) No, by all accounts we are no higher than $2M per year. Levine is saying the Sox might go up to $3M per year on a two year deal, total value $6M. Sox will not give Iguchi a 3 year guaranteed contract. They're still negotiating and until they're not, there is reason to believe this could happen. AM i having a problem being clear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 I say look for another 2b. I told ya it either be putting money to aj or putting more money for iguchi. We got aj so everyone should be happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 i didn't say I beleived him, I am just reporting what he said. Get with the program. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well don't keep it in the dark then, step out and tell us what you believe. Do you believe Levine or do you have another theory? My theory is, they're negotiating. Whenever there is this much buzz and so many conflicting numbers, it means heavy negotiations, as well as various structured proposals being bandied around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 QUOTE(chisox2334 @ Jan 7, 2005 -> 05:33 PM) I say look for another 2b. I told ya it either be putting money to aj or putting more money for iguchi. We got aj so everyone should be happy I do not believe it was one or the other. if we didn't get Aj that does not mean we would give 5 million for a 2b whom the whitesox have never seen in person or have scouted. Levine said all they have seen of him is what is on tape. They never scouted him. I think this guy will have a problem getting what he wants. I still think we will get him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Jan 7, 2005 -> 05:35 PM) Well don't keep it in the dark then, step out and tell us what you believe. Do you believe Levine or do you have another theory? My theory is, they're negotiating. Whenever there is this much buzz and so many conflicting numbers, it means heavy negotiations, as well as various structured proposals being bandied around. See my comment to Chisox, also view my other 50 comments yesterday. I will stick to what I said. You are the other hand are an expert copywriter and plagerizer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Levine said all they have seen of him is what is on tape. They never scouted him. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Is this not a red flag? I say yes. Also, why don't the Sox have a full time guy in the Pacific Rim? My understanding is they have Man Soo Lee do a little de facto scouting by relying on some contacts he has. That's still second hand info. If you're looking to add talent from the Far East, put a full time scout over there for chrissakes. If they have one and I missed it, my apologies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Jan 7, 2005 -> 05:38 PM) Is this not a red flag? I say yes. Also, why don't the Sox have a full time guy in the Pacific Rim? My understanding is they have Man Soo Lee do a little de facto scouting by relying on some contacts he has. That's still second hand info. If you're looking to add talent from the Far East, put a full time scout over there for chrissakes. If they have one and I missed it, my apologies. because they are the 500 whitesox and don't want to pay for people. that's why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 See my comment to Chisox, also view my other 50 comments yesterday. I will stick to what I said. You are the other hand are an expert copywriter and plagerizer. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was referring specifically to the Levine comment, I have no interest in going back through anyone's posts, I have you on ignore as you recall. You are an expert speller ... "plagiarize". Don't I wish I were an expert copywriter, I'd be a multi millionaire. Unfortunately, still perfecting the skill. How long was the workout ... 8 minutes? Or did you see a Hot Mom, get scared, and run? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Did Iguchi work out for MLB scouts? I know the Japanese 3rd baseman did. If not, and the sox have only seen tape of him, it's no wonder other teams haven't stepped up and offered him a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 because they are the 500 whitesox and don't want to pay for people. that's why. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Can't disagree, and it is stupid plain and simple. If people want something to b**** at KW and company at SoxFest, here's a good topic. Cubs have a full time guy over there, why not the White Sox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Jan 7, 2005 -> 05:42 PM) I was referring specifically to the Levine comment, I have no interest in going back through anyone's posts, I have you on ignore as you recall. You are an expert speller ... "plagiarize". Don't I wish I were an expert copywriter, I'd be a multi millionaire. Unfortunately, still perfecting the skill. How long was the workout ... 8 minutes? Or did you see a Hot Mom, get scared, and run? Please, The workout went great thanks for asking, how is the copying, I mean Cheating, I mean copywriting, spellchecking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 The NYY & BOS references make no sense. I think they threw that out there before the Renteria & Womack signings by both teams. The only other team that makes sense is SEA. Not so much because of need but because of Ichiro. If this guy can play he would be worth far more to SEA than the CWS. It could be his agent is trying to push SEA into a 6M/2. I can't see any team with $ to spend willing to offer 20M/3 yr. I'm encouraged that he's left the door open to creative contract construction. That's what the NYY did with RJ for cap considerations. Essentially taking a 3 yr deal & reconstructing for a 6 yr payout so they could fit him in 2005 at 10M. This was smart because the current labor agreement ends in 2007 & the tax threshold increases with each passing yr. So maybe the CWS could offer a 4M/2yr base + bonus incentives that would lead to an addition 2M/2yr & an option year at 6M provided he reaches as least 1/2 the bonus incentives. Assuming he met the incentives that would pay him nearly double what he made in Japan plus the security of a 3 yr commitment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Please, The workout went great thanks for asking, how is the copying, I mean Cheating, I mean copywriting, spellchecking? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Good thing I don't copy your writing, that's all I can say. What's next, dinner at the Ded Roor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Jan 7, 2005 -> 05:48 PM) Good thing I don't copy your writing, that's all I can say. What's next, dinner at the Ded Roor? Signed up for stadium club, stuck it under my partners name. its done, what a rip off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Signed up for stadium club, stuck it under my partners name. its done, what a rip off. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Funny we don't hear one peep about Alex Cora, via Chicago media or any other sources. Maybe it's because he's a Boras client? Where would Cora go? Tampa Bay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 I'm getting sick & tired of seeing non-topic stuff pop up in talent acquistion threads. You've been reported. If you are going to spar with one another then you should at least include something in your post RELATED to the thread TOPIC! Iguchi's agent needs to take a serious look at the players getting 1-3M/yr deals this off-season. What he also needs to think about is whether other GM's still Kaz's value at 20M+/3. I doubt it. Most of them probably see him in the 1-3M range. He's been a big dissapoinment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 I'm getting sick & tired of seeing this baby bulls*** pop up in talent acquistion threads. You've been reported. If you are going to spar with one another then you damn well better include something in your post RELATED to the thread TOPIC! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> STFU pal. We add more to this board than you ever have. Report this. What did your post have to do with the topic? Go post some more fantasy lineups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jan 7, 2005 -> 05:54 PM) I'm getting sick & tired of seeing this baby bulls*** pop up in talent acquistion threads. You've been reported. If you are going to spar with one another then you damn well better include something in your post RELATED to the thread TOPIC! Well thank you very much for staying on the topic. I appreciate the email as well. i am looking forward to getting thrown off the board for my inside comments to Jim on an update which I provided. Furthermore, it happens all the time on the board. People change subjects constantly moving in and out of the thread. Quite frankly I do not care if you like it or not. Don't post to it, don't read my comments, in fact stay completely away from my comments. To stay on the subject of whitesox baseball. I still think we will get ignuchi. Report that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 To stay on the subject of whitesox baseball. I still think we will get ignuchi. Report that. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree. Report that, too. BTW, TQ, it's "Iguchi", not "Ignuchi" (sorry if the last line is only borderline about talent acquisition) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Jan 7, 2005 -> 06:03 PM) I agree. Report that, too. BTW, TQ, it's "Iguchi", not "Ignuchi" (sorry if the last line is only borderline about talent acquisition) Whatever I have zero understanding of the japanese spellings. by the way did I tell you we will still get him. Iguchi right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Whatever I have zero understanding of the japanese spellings. by the way did I tell you we will still get him. Iguchi right? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, it's: L-E-V-I-N-E I-G-U-C-H-I and, Y-O-U A-R-E R-E-P-O-R-T-E-D :finger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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