JUGGERNAUT Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 I edited my post to include something related to the topic. It's not hard to do. You're not going to get thrown off the board. I've got nothing against 2 peers sparing in a thread. All I ask is that you include something in your post that is topic related. To make it honest. I personally think it's a bad move by Iguchi's agent to refer to Kaz as a measure of what Iggy's worth. But if that's the player he wants to compare his agent with then he should consider this: Kaz was ranked 69th in the NL in 2004 w a 4.58 RPG. Womack was ranked 61st in the NL in 2004 w a 5.01 RPG. Womack signed a 4M/2yr deal w the NYY this off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Hey juggernut next time you have an issue with me, use email to contact me and complain, or simply says, gents please stay on the subject. It creates a little more respect. I believe that would indeed be the proper approach to handling this type of situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jan 7, 2005 -> 06:08 PM) I edited my post to include something related to the topic. It's not hard to do. You're not going to get thrown off the board. I've got nothing against 2 peers sparing in a thread. All I ask is that you include something in your post that is topic related. To make it honest. I personally think it's a bad move by Iguchi's agent to refer to Kaz as a measure of what Iggy's worth. But if that's the player he wants to compare his agent with then he should consider this: Kaz was ranked 69th in the NL in 2004 w a 4.58 RPG. Womack was ranked 61st in the NL in 2004 w a 5.01 RPG. Womack signed a 4M/2yr deal w the NYY this off-season. oK I agree, and a good response deserves another. Thanks for pointing out your issue. I will try to personally keep things related. I appreciate this response as oppossed to the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Well I'm gonna go back into prediction mold here (maybe I shouldn't). But I think if the Sox get him it would be something along the lines of a 2yr 5 mill deal. Then a 3rd year option which would be worth 3 mill a year with a 1 mill buyout. He's basically guaranteed 3 mill a year for the 1st two years. And if things work out he ends up getting a total of 8 mill over 3 years (not too shabby). IF he wants to go 3 years guaranteed, my guess is the Sox wouldn't do more then 3 yr 6 mill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 I edited my post to include something related to the topic. It's not hard to do. You're not going to get thrown off the board. I've got nothing against 2 peers sparing in a thread. All I ask is that you include something in your post that is topic related. To make it honest. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Fine by me. Might be good if you edited before hitting that submit button, jumping in and using the phrase baby bulls*** will generally elicit the type of response you received. We are not sparring by the way, it is a genuine hatred. I agree with your comparison re: Kaz and what Iguchi wants. And I think that's why KW and the Sox are sticking to their guns. Plus, they got Shingo at a reasonable rate and although Shingo is a pitcher he was very well thought of and respected in Japan, much like Iguchi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Hey juggernut next time you have an issue with me, use email to contact me and complain, or simply says, gents please stay on the subject. It creates a little more respect. I believe that would indeed be the proper approach to handling this type of situation. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You're right. I should have PM'd. I did not bash you guys in the report. I just indicated the post was off-topic. On-topic: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/battin...Min=0&ageMax=99 Kaz wasn't even ranked in the top 20 in BA. Womack was #14. Some interesting names on this list: Durham #3, Uribe #4, Jimminez #11, Miles #17. Jimminez 2M Uribe 3M Miles 300K 4M/2yr is a fair offer for an unproven Iguchi. It's more than fair. But the CWS aren't just competing against the MLB teams for his services. I don't think there's anything preventing him from continuing play in Japan where he's a proven commodity. I think KW should be flexible enough to include some bonus money to outbid those teams as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 All things considered Iguchi & his agent are fools if they don't sign with the CWS. Assuming they believe in his talent if he were to be a success in MLB then his intrinsic value to the CWS would be even greater than that of SEA. He needs to look at Shingo's intrinsic value & how his fame has grown being with the CWS. Will that lead to more ticket sales in 2005? Yes. There is a large asian community in this city & a good portion of it lives closer to the Cell than the beer garden. If Iggy were to make the all-star team how much would that mean in endorsement money? Look at Maggs, Sosa, & Koney. Now imagine spots featuring both Shingo & Iggy. They could write their own tickets. Especially if the Cubs tank (like I expect them to). If Iggy makes the all-star team I'd go out on a limb & say he'll double his earnings when you include media spots. That's more than he could make in Japan. If he can consistently make the all-star team he could be looking at 15M in earnings a year betw the CWS & media spots. I think it's a great move for the CWS & Iggy & I hope he comes to his senses. Off-topic: I just want to take this time to say Magglio Ordonez is the biggest fool in MLB. Not as big as J-Gonzo but probably #2. Gonzo walked away from a guaranteed 140M deal with the Tiggers. Where is he now? Signing a ml deal with the Tribe. Magglio walked away from a guaranteed 58-70M deal with the CWS. This deal was still on the table even after the collision. Where is he now? If he doesn't sign w the Cubs he can kiss the money he earned through media spots goodbye. Does he really think if he goes somewhere else he'll be signed up for commercials right away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 One of the factors to consider is how interested is he and his family in moving to the US, even temporarily. This could be a "I'll do it if the money is spectacular" situation. For the same money playing in front of friends and family, maintaining your family values, etc, may be more important. How much would it take you to move to South Dakota? Mexico? France? Japan? If that is the case, this may be a hopeless cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 i that is the case, then forget him. If they can get him for the price they want great, otherwise go back and play the rest of your life in triple A japan. The Sox are in the drivers seat not Iguchi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jan 7, 2005 -> 11:54 AM) I'm getting sick & tired of seeing non-topic stuff pop up in talent acquistion threads. You've been reported. If you are going to spar with one another then you should at least include something in your post RELATED to the thread TOPIC! So I guess all of that freedom of speech and MYOB stuff was all one sided rhetoric? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babybearhater Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 I'm getting sick & tired of seeing non-topic stuff pop up in talent acquistion threads. You've been reported. If you are going to spar with one another then you should at least include something in your post RELATED to the thread TOPIC! Iguchi's agent needs to take a serious look at the players getting 1-3M/yr deals this off-season. What he also needs to think about is whether other GM's still Kaz's value at 20M+/3. I doubt it. Most of them probably see him in the 1-3M range. He's been a big dissapoinment. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider17 Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 7, 2005 -> 01:37 PM) So I guess all of that freedom of speech and MYOB stuff was all one sided rhetoric? I was going to bring up something like that SS2k5! Edit: Hey, your avitar is back! Oh, I almost forgot ..... uh ..... the Sox should get Cairo. Yeah .... that's on topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 C'mon Kenny, close up shop for this offseason and let Willie play 2nd with Uribe at short. I don't want Cora or Iguchi when we can save money with a guy who can hit just as good if given the chance. Neither one of those two play defense as well as Willie either. This thing about Willie being cocky and bad in the clubhouse, I believe is crap. No one had a problem with him when he was hitting over .300, he went into a pretty long slump (who doesn't, especially a guy who never started) and everyone is all over him. The only reason I can come with is the fact that he went on ESPN and talked about girls in the hotel lobby, I guess the players didn't like the fact that that ifo left the locker room. I got a message for those guys, Don't cheat on your wives or girlfriend's!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Look, just forget it! I will never mention non-topic stuff again! Do whatever you want. It's a rule of the board but like all communities if no one respects it then it's meaningless. It's not worth the political flak I get from the socialists to mention it EVER AGAIN! on-topic: He made 2.35M in Japan. That's not AAA $. His 2004 #'s were good enough to guarantee a raise if he should decide to remain there. The CWS can not simply ignore that when negotiating with him. They can ignore the Herald's claim of 20M/3. That's ridiculous. No one in Japan or America is going to offer him that. Yet this is always the way the press spins things when it comes to the CWS. The article suggests that because the CWS spent 2.25M on AJ they won't be able to afford Igu. This despite the fact that the 4M/2yr offer remains on the table. What Kaz was offered by the Mets has nothing to due w Igu. What the NYY gave Womack (4M/2yr) does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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