Mr. Showtime Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(quickman @ Jan 8, 2005 -> 07:47 PM) Until this hits some media in this part of the country, I am chalking this up to rhetoric from a sports station in SF that wants to get rid of durham and his high salary. Steff reports that according to Ray's brother Chad the Sox have inquired about Ray. How recently they did is unknown, Steff is trying to find out what is going on, but she'll be going out of town, thus she may not find out for awhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 12:51 PM) Last time I checked Iguchi has no major league experience. Durham is a little bit more proven. I could see us taking on up to 4 Mil a year for Durham just because he has proven himself when healthy. No way should Iguchi be given 4 mil a year until he has proven something. Durham's a lock to miss some games though. And Iguchi has hit over .330 in his last 2 seasons in a pitcher's park. It's more of a risk, but I think the potential reward of Iguchi would outweigh Durham, but that's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Dugoutdollars isn't wrong, and it doesn't list his 2005 salary at 6.78M -- Read the FAQ, learn how to read it -- That's his cap # Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jan 8, 2005 -> 05:54 PM) Durham's a lock to miss some games though. And Iguchi has hit over .330 in his last 2 seasons in a pitcher's park. It's more of a risk, but I think the potential reward of Iguchi would outweigh Durham, but that's just me. If the Sox handle things right though, they will be able to spell Ray with a platoon guy and that should be alright. Personally I think its a great move as long as they don't give up Marte. I think thats probably a little too much, unless they get something else in return that could help them out of the pen. But budget wise, they could basically afford to add Durham's entire contract but no way in hell would I give up Marte for him and take on that big contract. On a sidenote, Durham is under contract at roughly 6.5 this year and the following year is an option year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jan 8, 2005 -> 08:05 PM) If the Sox handle things right though, they will be able to spell Ray with a platoon guy and that should be alright. Personally I think its a great move as long as they don't give up Marte. I think thats probably a little too much, unless they get something else in return that could help them out of the pen. But budget wise, they could basically afford to add Durham's entire contract but no way in hell would I give up Marte for him and take on that big contract. On a sidenote, Durham is under contract at roughly 6.5 this year and the following year is an option year. I agree with what everyone has said, I'd love to have Ray but no way in hell should we give up Damaso for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 01:05 PM) If the Sox handle things right though, they will be able to spell Ray with a platoon guy and that should be alright. Personally I think its a great move as long as they don't give up Marte. I think thats probably a little too much, unless they get something else in return that could help them out of the pen. But budget wise, they could basically afford to add Durham's entire contract but no way in hell would I give up Marte for him and take on that big contract. On a sidenote, Durham is under contract at roughly 6.5 this year and the following year is an option year. Personally though I think Iguchi would pretty much put up the same amount of numbers as Durham, and he wouldn't miss as many games. You could backload the contract, and you wouldn't possibly have to give up Marte or prospects. Plus it would give Valdez the chance to go back down to Charlotte for him to get more at bats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(Mr. Showtime @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 01:53 AM) Steff reports that according to Ray's brother Chad the Sox have inquired about Ray. How recently they did is unknown, Steff is trying to find out what is going on, but she'll be going out of town, thus she may not find out for awhile. I know and I am sure that His brother knows that the sox inquired. Big deal. They inquire about alot of people. Look, i am just saying this is much different than others. With AJ, we made an offer, it was in the press, all over the internet and radio, same with iguchi. offers were made and all press knew about it. This could merely be, "hey we like Ray, he has a fan base hear, heard you are looking around for a taker, what do you want?" Could be that simple. All along the deal for iguchi is still on the table. I would rather have iguchi for half the price. This just doesn't make sense unless there are some legs to this stuff. Why would the sox not pay 5 million a year for durham three years ago, but are willing to pay 6 million now. I just don't think it can happen without a large portion of salary paid by the giants. Just my opinion. Nice player that is overpaid. Lets wait until it actually hits some mainstream media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Let me please add one more thing. I think if they inquired, you can bet on this. Willie harris is not playing second this year. For all of you guys who love Harris, the sox continue to try to find other options at second. Thank god, it is no secret I hate Harris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Willie harris is not playing second this year. the sox continue to try to find other options at second. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I clipped out certain sections of your post, but there is an underlying fact here. The White Sox have a problem with Willie Harris. If this rumor is true and they're inquiring about Ray Durham, what does that tell us? Simply put, the White Sox are exploring every possible alternative to Harris. Doesn't matter who likes Harris and who doesn't. What matters is what White Sox management thinks. It's becoming more and more obvious that Guillen carries a big stick in terms of personnel decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 02:45 AM) I clipped out certain sections of your post, but there is an underlying fact here. The White Sox have a problem with Willie Harris. If this rumor is true and they're inquiring about Ray Durham, what does that tell us? Simply put, the White Sox are exploring every possible alternative to Harris. Doesn't matter who likes Harris and who doesn't. What matters is what White Sox management thinks. It's becoming more and more obvious that Guillen carries a big stick in terms of personnel decisions. Agreed, i personally think there is not much to the durham thing, although its a nice thought. id the peanuts thing tonight. PS Looks like the tigers are looking at maggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Agreed, i personally think there is not much to the durham thing, although its a nice thought. id the peanuts thing tonight. PS Looks like the tigers are looking at maggs. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> We walked by Peanuts at 7 pm, did not see you. We were at Lantern. split a burger, Cobb salad, and chili, and an order of wings, excellent. You should've emailed you were going to Peanuts, oh well. On topic ... I have no doubt the Sox inquire about a ton of guys. It happens every day in baseball. What's more important to this discussion is it seems like every guy they're inquiring about lately are second basemen. I wonder what they can get for Willie in trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Jan 8, 2005 -> 08:51 PM) We were at Lantern. Great place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 02:51 AM) We walked by Peanuts at 7 pm, did not see you. We were at Lantern. split a burger, Cobb salad, and chili, and an order of wings, excellent. You should've emailed you were going to Peanuts, oh well. On topic ... I have no doubt the Sox inquire about a ton of guys. It happens every day in baseball. What's more important to this discussion is it seems like every guy they're inquiring about lately are second basemen. I wonder what they can get for Willie in trade. Left at exactly 6;45, my uncle said they should just give harris to somebody so he doesn't have to look at his face anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 02:53 AM) Great place. Where do you live in naper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(quickman @ Jan 8, 2005 -> 08:55 PM) Where do you live in naper? Right near the intersection of 75th and Washington. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 02:51 AM) We walked by Peanuts at 7 pm, did not see you. We were at Lantern. split a burger, Cobb salad, and chili, and an order of wings, excellent. You should've emailed you were going to Peanuts, oh well. On topic ... I have no doubt the Sox inquire about a ton of guys. It happens every day in baseball. What's more important to this discussion is it seems like every guy they're inquiring about lately are second basemen. I wonder what they can get for Willie in trade. talked to the owner he said he is trying hard to get pabst on tap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 02:55 AM) Right near the intersection of 75th and Washington. Good to know if I need to dump some tickets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Left at exactly 6;45, my uncle said they should just give harris to somebody so he doesn't have to look at his face anymore. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't think the Giants would pony up the $$ to cover that big contract, Sox will not take it all on. Or even the majority. It's a bloated contract. And Durham supposedly was unhappy with the organization when he left, but who knows about that. It does make sense the Giants want out from under the contract, and wouldn't want him in the NL. I'm surprised they couldn't trade Durham to the Yankees, they have always liked Durham. Seems like the Sox have "x" amount of budget for a 2B and that's that. Who went to Peanuts, you and uncle? How was the food? BTW, in the men's room at the Lantern there is a calendar of events, on Tuesday 1/11 it says "Happy 30th B-Day Terri". Same as my dad, 45 yrs. apart though. My dad met her last month, he said he'd remembered her from b-4. Terri was very pregs at the time. My dad said ... "I can see why ... CUTE". Cialis, anyone?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 talked to the owner he said he is trying hard to get pabst on tap. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> On topic ... several White Sox players like a cold PBR. Off topic ... how hard is it? Don't try, just do it. It's made by Miller, distributed by the same guys. It will differentiate them. Keep pushing them, I will as well. I told them it's on tap at U.S. Cellular and some guys go out of their way to get a PBR on tap. On topic ... I saw Ray Durham having a beer at Tucson Electric Park a few years ago, do not know if it was PBR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 03:00 AM) I don't think the Giants would pony up the $$ to cover that big contract, Sox will not take it all on. Or even the majority. It's a bloated contract. And Durham supposedly was unhappy with the organization when he left, but who knows about that. It does make sense the Giants want out from under the contract, and wouldn't want him in the NL. I'm surprised they couldn't trade Durham to the Yankees, they have always liked Durham. Seems like the Sox have "x" amount of budget for a 2B and that's that. Who went to Peanuts, you and uncle? How was the food? BTW, in the men's room at the Lantern there is a calendar of events, on Tuesday 1/11 it says "Happy 30th B-Day Terri". Same as my dad, 45 yrs. apart though. My dad met her last month, he said he'd remembered her from b-4. Terri was very pregs at the time. My dad said ... "I can see why ... CUTE". Cialis, anyone?? wife and one of my daughters. Food was better this time. Wings are very good there. Liked them. Better experience this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 03:03 AM) On topic ... several White Sox players like a cold PBR. Off topic ... how hard is it? Don't try, just do it. It's made by Miller, distributed by the same guys. It will differentiate them. Keep pushing them, I will as well. I told them it's on tap at U.S. Cellular and some guys go out of their way to get a PBR on tap. On topic ... I saw Ray Durham having a beer at Tucson Electric Park a few years ago, do not know if it was PBR. LOL on this whole thing, ps Durham is a huge longshot but it shows the sox are looking at trades as well. They have cotts to dangle, adkins and harris as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Wings are very good there. Liked them. Better experience this time. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Agree. The 45+ yr. old hottie waitress recommends them ... with a side of Cialis. You know what I'm sayin'. Your wife must think I'm nuts, suggesting a Naperville place gets PBR on tap. Or did you claim it as your idea????? On topic: I wonder if this inquiring about Durham is a smokescreen for the Iguchi negotiations? All of those agents tend to be a pretty close fraternity, you know what I mean. Thick as thieves. Remember, KW said he'd have his team done by this week, barring anything unforeseen. As I said yesterday, welcome to January the Unforeseen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 adkins and harris as well. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Let's just reverse the original trade. Harris gets traded for the money. Oh, that was Oakland. Bay area, close enough. Giants need youth badly. They might want Willie, how dumb is Sabean again? Just kidding Willie fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 03:08 AM) Agree. The 45+ yr. old hottie waitress recommends them ... with a side of Cialis. You know what I'm sayin'. Your wife must think I'm nuts, suggesting a Naperville place gets PBR on tap. Or did you claim it as your idea????? On topic: I wonder if this inquiring about Durham is a smokescreen for the Iguchi negotiations? All of those agents tend to be a pretty close fraternity, you know what I mean. Thick as thieves. Remember, KW said he'd have his team done by this week, barring anything unforeseen. As I said yesterday, welcome to January the Unforeseen. Off subject: Totally claimed it was my idea, because it was. On subject: Just get somebody other than Harris to play second. NAother subject: Whats your take on what Beltran will do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFan Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Is this the same host that said the sox will sign Rob nen of a minor league contract. I will keep in tune to KNBR 680, but football is on right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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