qwerty Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jan 8, 2005 -> 07:01 PM) I second that. Please explain why he was no trade value. This is coming from you, one of the biggest willie haters. So that must mean something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 06:03 AM) 2002: Ray for Adkins and $ 2002: Lofton for Diaz and Meaux 2003: Mark Johnson, Keith Foulke, Joe Valentine for Billy Koch and Neal Cotts oops my bad and thanks for the correction. damn it hard to remember all the bone head trades that kw has done. however he has done well this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(LDF @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 05:19 PM) oops my bad and thanks for the correction. damn it hard to remember all the bone head trades that kw has done. however he has done well this offseason. And he's needed to. His job would have been on the line without some success this season, at least things seem to have gone our way this off-season compared to the market and other team's moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 As much as I like Willie it's hard to expect him to have value when every part of Sox managment thinks he sucks, has a bad attitude, isn't getting the job done. Yes he has some value but it isn't much. Sort of like the situation we wound up in with Rauch last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 however, he has done well in signing of the fa's. however in the trade front, i still think that i didn't like the clee trade. i still think we got the wrong end of the value. but i can live with what he has done b/c he supported the trade with some decent signings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 i remember reading something when the adkins trade happened and it said he was a flamethrower struggling with control....what ever became of this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 i don't know, you should asked some of these posters who said that it was a good trade, they even argued with me on this point. i hated this trade. the second worst trade that kw made. the first being royce clayton trade and the todd ritchie being a tie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Thanks for clearing that up guys. Getting old is a b**** .... but it's better than the alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvjeremylv Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(3E8 @ Jan 8, 2005 -> 10:09 AM) I was hoping they'd deal Konerko this offseason. He chews up more than 10% of our payroll and several teams would probably be interested. Coming off best offensive year yet. I think Gload is Major League ready. While I like Paul and think he's going to be a big part of our team in 2005 and future years if we have him, I think that the Sox could have acquired some good talent in a trade for him. Is he really going to have a season like the one he had in 2004 again? I highly doubt it, and like you mentioned, he's making a good chunk of money. IMO, that money could be better spent on pitching. And as far as Willie Harris goes, I don't see how someone could think he has 0 trade value. He's a slick fielding speedster who hit .260 in his first full season. Granted, .260 isn't all that great, but when you add in his youth, defensive prowess and speed (50 SB potential), I'd say he's got plenty of trade value. Not as a main guy in a trade, but in addition to a guy like Konerko or someone, I think the Sox could get something good in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvjeremylv Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 IMO Willie Harris is one of the best defensive secondbasemen in the game today and he will eventually, like Cora, come around offensively and put up a really solid year. The only problem is that it's no secret that the managment doesn't like his attitude so we wouldn't get anything for him. Where did you hear that management doesn't like his attitude? I thought KW was fond of Willie? (OK, that could be taken a couple of ways, but you know what I mean ) If management didn't like Harris, I don't think he would have had over 400 AB last season. Maybe my thinking is flawed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jan 8, 2005 -> 08:01 PM) I second that. Please explain why he was no trade value. Guy cannot get on base at all, you may trade him for someone else's disappointment not much more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvjeremylv Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 09:40 AM) A 343 OBP says something different to me, but thats just me. Yeah, really. WTF are you talking about Soxfest? He hit .262 and walked over 50 times in just over 400 at bats. To me, that's hardly "guy cannot get on base at all". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 QUOTE(lvjeremylv @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 06:00 PM) Yeah, really. WTF are you talking about Soxfest? He hit .262 and walked over 50 times in just over 400 at bats. To me, that's hardly "guy cannot get on base at all". Some people have a set opinion about willie and soxfest seems to be one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvjeremylv Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 04:02 PM) Some people have a set opinion about willie and soxfest seems to be one of them. I suppose, but don't make comments like "the guy cannot get on base" when his OBP was 4th on the team (of players who played nearly a full season). Comments with 0 basis in factuality loses any credibility your argument may have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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