Winnin Ugly Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Rowand I live is San Fran and AJ was brutal behind the plate with all the pass balls and not being able to throw out alot of runners from stealing... Here in SF alot of fans and some players accused AJ from not being able to call a good game.. As a Sox fan Im thrilled that we got AJ for his offensive numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(Winnin Ugly @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 11:56 AM) Rowand I live is San Fran and AJ was brutal behind the plate with all the pass balls and not being able to throw out alot of runners from stealing... Here in SF alot of fans and some players accused AJ from not being able to call a good game.. As a Sox fan Im thrilled that we got AJ for his offensive numbers Well you saw one season of him. Last year was his worst, period. He threw out a lot less runners then he usually did, and trust me I've seen him play a lot too and he does call a good game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnin Ugly Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 As for getting on base Soriano had a 328 while AJ had a 312 OBP. So i guess Soriano gets on base more than AJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(Winnin Ugly @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 11:58 AM) As for getting on base Soriano had a 328 while AJ had a 312 OBP. So i guess Soriano gets on base more than AJ Once again you saw aj's worst year in the league. Aj has a career .336 obp and Alf has a career .323 obp so no Alf doesn't get on base more then aj and I don't understand why you're comparing them anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted January 9, 2005 Author Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 03:35 PM) It would hurt to trade Marte, but what is more important an everday all-star 2B with speed and great defense or a Lefty set-up man? KW should really consider this as the 2B option. I agree. Having a top of the order guy who can hit .300, steal bases, and can solidify the middle infield, is more important than a set up man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 05:52 PM) Aj is a good defender. Alf is brutal at 2nd, he strikes out way to much, he doesn't get on base, we have enough power, we don't need another player like Soriano. I agree. Soriano would fit the oldstyle White Sox, the pure-power era. But Castillo would fit exactly what KW and Ozzie are shooting for in the pitching, speed, and defense era. A Speedy-Contact hitter, who can play excellent defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Why the hell are people so quick to get rid of Marte??? He's our BEST reliever (except for last year). We can't count oN Hermanson, Vizcaino, or Politte to put up Marte numbers. There is no way in hell I trade Marte for more offense. Our bullpen would go from pretty damn good to OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSFAN35 Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 11:42 AM) However Marte should be a no way. Hands off. Not on the Market. We need to try and center a package around Willie Harris (Since we'd need him off the roster to make room for Castillo), Neil Cotts, and Prospects You expect to get a player like Castillo for nothing? You have to give up something good to get something good and if the Fish want Marte, you give em Marte. What is with everyone's hard-on for this guy? QUOTE(Winnin Ugly @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 11:56 AM) Rowand I live is San Fran and AJ was brutal behind the plate with all the pass balls and not being able to throw out alot of runners from stealing... Here in SF alot of fans and some players accused AJ from not being able to call a good game.. Last year was sort of an off year for Pierz with 9 passed balls and .227 caught stealing. But in his entire career he's thrown out .292 and had less than 5 passed balls a year before last year. As for not being able to call a game, he had a better Catching ERA than Torrealba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted January 9, 2005 Author Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(lvjeremylv @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 03:36 PM) Marte for Castillo? No thanks. Marte is one of the best lefty relievers in baseball, and I wouldn't trade him to fill a spot that *really* isn't that bad for the Sox. Willie harris hit .260 last year (and should improve if he gets as many ABs as he did in 2004), and he figures to be our #9 hitter this season. A .260+ average from a #9 hitting 2B with good defensive abilities and excellent speed is just fine IMO. And factor in the salary he'll be making in 2005, and I'm very happy with our 2B situation. The only way I'd move Marte is if it was part of a deal to acquire a stud starter. While 2b is not that bad, if it could be filled w/ a .300 switchhitter, who can hit #2 or leadoff, who makes less than $6 mill, for a reasonable price via trade [marte while great vs LH hitters, is replaceable--vizcaino pitches better vs. LH hitters, with Cotts and Munoz in the wings], the sox should go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted January 9, 2005 Author Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(Mr. Zero @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 06:10 PM) Why the hell are people so quick to get rid of Marte??? He's our BEST reliever (except for last year). We can't count oN Hermanson, Vizcaino, or Politte to put up Marte numbers. There is no way in hell I trade Marte for more offense. Our bullpen would go from pretty damn good to OK. I'm not quick to get rid of Marte. But to get a player of Castillo's quality is hard to come by. I look at what he can add to the Sox on an everyday basis for 140-150 games a yr, over what Marte can give over 60-70 games [and what a replacement guy like Vizcaino, Cotts or Munoz can do] and it would be a good deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxmatt Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(Mr. Zero @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 12:10 PM) Why the hell are people so quick to get rid of Marte??? He's our BEST reliever (except for last year). We can't count oN Hermanson, Vizcaino, or Politte to put up Marte numbers. There is no way in hell I trade Marte for more offense. Our bullpen would go from pretty damn good to OK. I agree with you. I think that if we trade marte we run the risk of having the bullpen sort of collapse. IMO, marte is the key to our bullpen. Hermanson and Vizcaino probably wont have marte type numbers. bullpen without marte: shingo vizcaino hermanson pollite cotts munoz diaz Just look at it this bullpen it needs marte to be complete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 remember everyone. Castillo is an everyday player and can help us win EVERY GAME! Marte will indeed help us win but every few days. Come on, having Castillo in our lineup is drool-worthy. Imagine this: Podsednick CF Castillo 2B Thomas/Everett DH Konerko 1B Dye RF Rowand LF Peirzynski C Uribe SS Crede 3B And hell if KW needs to aquire another Lefty-setup man in the middle of the season, he'll do it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSFAN35 Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Who knows what we're going to get with Marte this year. He reported to camp last year out of shape with five miles off his fastball. He's not the same pitcher that he used to be, and while he might get it back, he might get worse. Why not trade for a sure thing in Castillo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Isn't Vizcaino suppose to be awesome against lefty hitters? IIRC thats what was said about him when the Sox got him. Maybe that would sway KW into thinking he could afford to trade Marte...JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted January 9, 2005 Author Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(EvilJester99 @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 07:04 PM) Isn't Viscaino suppose to be awesome against lefty hitters? IIRC thats what was said about him when the Sox got him. Maybe that would sway KW into thinking he could afford to trade Marte...JMO Vizcaino has pitched better vs LH hitters the last few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 I certainly like the bullpen more with Marte in it than not. However, if he can get a solid 2 bagger like Castillo it may be worth it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted January 9, 2005 Author Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(WSFAN35 @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 07:01 PM) Who knows what we're going to get with Marte this year. He reported to camp last year out of shape with five miles off his fastball. He's not the same pitcher that he used to be, and while he might get it back, he might get worse. Why not trade for a sure thing in Castillo? Good points. Ozzie has been qouted as saying he "never met the Marte of 2003". Not exactly a vote of confidence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnin Ugly Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 If I was KW I would make the trade Marte for Castillo but I still think the Sox will sign Iguchi sometime this week... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 lets all remember this is pure speculation =D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Yeah since everyones knows that ray durham specualtion being talked to by no giants fans as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 what in da wild wild world a sports is ya talkin about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaDoc Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 If it is Marte plus someone for Castillo we add a couple million to the payroll. I would rather keep who we have and use the money on Iguchi, unless Marte has an injury concern or mid winter monitoring shows him out of shape. What about Harris and Grilli/Politte instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Winning ugly speculated in another thread that were looking at ray durham from a raido station in sanfransciso. Also hes speculated that were gonna sign iguchi when really iguchi asking too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 i believe that the person who reported the ray durham talks was the same person who lives in SF and was hearing reports on the radio about AJ... ill take that as credible... i believe that the person who started this thread is beck72.... not one ive known to make up BS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(WSFAN35 @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 07:01 PM) Who knows what we're going to get with Marte this year. He reported to camp last year out of shape with five miles off his fastball. He's not the same pitcher that he used to be, and while he might get it back, he might get worse. Why not trade for a sure thing in Castillo? Marte isn't a sure thing? Marte had what many people called his 'worst' season last year, and he still had an ERA under 3.50... We're at a point right now where we have (IMHO) four solid relievers in Marte, Shingo, Vizcaino, and Hermanson, a couple of question marks with potential to put up solid numbers in Politte and Cotts, and then our long relief guy (who you hope to give you good innings) in Adkins/Diaz. I'd like to keep it that way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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