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QUOTE(hi8is @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 07:26 PM)
lets all remember this is pure speculation =D

 

Of course this is speculation. But seeing how a Marlins insider told the Miami Herald Castillo could be traded, it's a little more than fantasy.

 

The only reason I started this thread is because if Castillo could be had, Ozzie would trade his own kid to bring this guy to the sox. Seeing how the sox were willing to do whatever it took to bring Freddy into town, it's a strong possibility they'd do the same with Castillo. Esp. as he seems to epitomize everything Ozzie wants in a player.

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Why is Soriano's name keep coming up? Did he say he wants to play for the CWS? Of all the names in that list the most likely to win an MVP or be an all-star is Soriano.

 

Month to month consistency is what separates the solid players (Soriano) from the flashy ones (Sosa).

2004

April .341A .381O .432S

May .235A .279O .426S

June .325A .358O .487S

July .239A .292O .523S

Aug .286A .333O .518S

Sep .254A .301O .522S

2003

April .370A .436O .630S

May .229A 290O .466S

June .268A 302O 415S

July .240A 270O 427S

Aug .275A 325O 505S

Sep .348A 387O 670S

 

I think he would have his best yr yet at the Cell.

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QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 07:56 PM)
Where did you real that?  I've read they've been trying to sign him to a multi-year deal ever since he arrived.

 

I have read it numerous places. If you do not believe me i am sure others can confirm that. There was supposedly a deal on the table reyes for soriano but then the mets dropped out.

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QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jan 10, 2005 -> 01:56 AM)
Where did you real that?  I've read they've been trying to sign him to a multi-year deal ever since he arrived.

 

i hate to be a bearer of bad news, but the q-kid is right, tex been trying to get rid of him esp after this past season. rumor is he is somewhat of a cancer in the dugout.

 

i read it before in espn, cbs rumor sites as well as other places.

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QUOTE(sox-r-us @ Jan 10, 2005 -> 06:02 AM)
We only give up Marte for Castillo if we can get Castillo signed to an extension

 

No way I give up Marte for a one year guy....

 

Keep him in mind though for the trade deadline if we are in it and the Fish are out of it (both of which are possible)

 

Castillo is signed through 2006, with a 2007 option that kicks in if he gets a certain amount of PA. He'll make $5.33 mill a yr, in 05 and 06, with 07, $5.25 mill.

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QUOTE(WSFAN35 @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 12:10 PM)
You expect to get a player like Castillo for nothing?  You have to give up something good to get something good and if the Fish want Marte, you give em Marte.  What is with everyone's hard-on for this guy?

Last year was sort of an off year for Pierz with 9 passed balls and .227 caught stealing.  But in his entire career he's thrown out .292 and had less than 5 passed balls a year before last year.  As for not being able to call a game, he had a better Catching ERA than Torrealba.

 

One interesting thing that AJ mentioned was a difference of philosophy in SF regarding preventing basestealing. AJ said that they don't believe in the slidestep, or in throwing over to 1B very often with runners on. They really emphasized going after the hitter instead of worrying about the runner, according to AJ.

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QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 07:10 PM)
People why are we arguging?

 

IMO, Castillo is one of 2 2B That would fit the sox new plan, with Marcus Giles being the other. WE are giving up a RP for a hole.  Yes we will miss Marte, but Castillo is a bigger need.. Anything to not have Harris fail at 2b again.

I'm still wondering how an OBP of .343 is "failing". Is it great? No, of course not. But is it a failure to have a .343 OBP in your first real shot at the major league level? I say absolutely not. Add to that solid defense at 2B along with 19 stolen bases, and I'd say it was rather successful. His power numbers were invisible, but that wasn't a surprise to anybody.

 

Why so down on him? And provide reasons and explanations - not just baseless and floating statements.

 

I could see us trading away our best reliever (no offense to Shingo, I love the guy - but he's got to do it again for me to buy him as the real deal) if we were going to get something great like a package deal for a #1 or #2 starter, but to upgrade a position that's really not that weak for us? I just wouldn't see the logic in that at all.

 

And just for fun I checked out Luis Castillo's stats to make sure I wasn't rushing to judgement, and I'm really not. If the Sox were to trade Marte for Castillo, we'd be picking up some salary (not sure how much Marte is due to make in the next couple of years, but it's not as much as Castillo), weakening our bullpen considerably, all while upgrading slightly.

 

Breakdown of Willie Harris vs. Luis Castillo from 2004...

 

Batting Average: WH .262 LC .291 --- advantage LC by 29 points

OBP: WH .343 LC .373 --- advantage LC by 30 points

Steals: WH 19 LC 21 --- advantage Willie (he had 155 less AB than Luis)

Fielding Percentage (at 2B): WH .990 LC .991

 

Soooo, we'd be giving up our best reliever (who's also one of the top 3 or 4 lefties out of the pen in the AL, if not all of baseball) and a couple million in salary (at least) to gain 30 batting average points? Is that worth it? To me, it's not. Speed and defense are a wash IMO. Especially when Willie *should* improve upon those numbers with more regular playing time. Willie has a lot of upside, while Luis Castillo's best years are behind him IMO.

 

Am I the only one who doesn't hate Willie Harris? Ha ha.

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lvjeremylv,

 

How has Harris fail you ask? There has to be a reason that he wasn't being played everyday.. OO That's right he can't hit against LHP, something that you might need to do in the big leagues.

 

Now lets look at the other numbers,

 

SB

 

LC 21 in 25 attempts a 84% success rate

WH 19 in 26 attempts a 73% success rate

 

So in 1 less try, LC has 2 more SB.. advantage LC. To obtain 21 SB WH would have to try and steal another 3 bases getting thrown out 1 more time before hitting 21sb. I don't like giving up outs, maybe you do?

 

All the other numbers are already in LC favor, maybe you can break up LHP/RHP to further prove the point that Harris, is not the player we want/ need on the Sox in 05.

 

PLUSES TO GETTING LC

Great Glove

can hit the 2 holes

can steal you 20bags with a high percentage

Hits LHP and RHP

Can play everyday

Willie Harris.. in the words of Hawk... HE GONE !

 

 

NEagatives

WE lose Marte

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QUOTE(lvjeremylv @ Jan 10, 2005 -> 08:48 AM)
I'm still wondering how an OBP of .343 is "failing".  Is it great?  No, of course not.  But is it a failure to have a .343 OBP in your first real shot at the major league level?  I say absolutely not.  Add to that solid defense at 2B along with 19 stolen bases, and I'd say it was rather successful.  His power numbers were invisible, but that wasn't a surprise to anybody.

 

Why so down on him?  And provide reasons and explanations - not just baseless and floating statements.

 

I could see us trading away our best reliever (no offense to Shingo, I love the guy - but he's got to do it again for me to buy him as the real deal) if we were going to get something great like a package deal for a #1 or #2 starter, but to upgrade a position that's really not that weak for us?  I just wouldn't see the logic in that at all.

 

And just for fun I checked out Luis Castillo's stats to make sure I wasn't rushing to judgement, and I'm really not.  If the Sox were to trade Marte for Castillo, we'd be picking up some salary (not sure how much Marte is due to make in the next couple of years, but it's not as much as Castillo), weakening our bullpen considerably, all while upgrading slightly.

 

Breakdown of Willie Harris vs. Luis Castillo from 2004...

 

Batting Average:  WH .262  LC .291 --- advantage LC by 29 points

OBP:  WH .343 LC .373 --- advantage LC by 30 points

Steals:  WH 19 LC 21 --- advantage Willie (he had 155 less AB than Luis)

Fielding Percentage (at 2B):  WH .990 LC .991

 

Soooo, we'd be giving up our best reliever (who's also one of the top 3 or 4 lefties out of the pen in the AL, if not all of baseball) and a couple million in salary (at least) to gain 30 batting average points?  Is that worth it?  To me, it's not.  Speed and defense are a wash IMO.  Especially when Willie *should* improve upon those numbers with more regular playing time.  Willie has a lot of upside, while Luis Castillo's best years are behind him IMO.

 

Am I the only one who doesn't hate Willie Harris?  Ha ha.

 

Anyone on this site will tell you that I love Willie Harris. If it wasn't for this deal i'd rather see him as our starting 2B this year. However the reason that I pull the trigger on this deal has nothing to do with Willie and everything to do with Pods. Pods won't be a legit leadoff hitter. If giving up Marte gets us one then we have to do it. As much as I would hate to give up Marte it sucks going into the season with a maybe at leadoff. This gives us as close to a sure thing as we're going to get.

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QUOTE(lvjeremylv @ Jan 10, 2005 -> 02:48 PM)
Am I the only one who doesn't hate Willie Harris?  Ha ha.

 

"Hate" has nothing to do with replacing Willie Harris. Listening to the sox talk, though, they want to replace him or at the very least, have a fall back option. Hence, all the speculation about who will be brought in for 2b/ SS. For whatever reason, KW and Ozzie aren't too impressed w/ Willie and what he can do for the Sox, and want someone new in.

 

The key question is why. I don't know. He sure seems to have the talent, the numbers. But there must be something behind the scenes [attitude, personal life, whatever] that is going on we fans don't know about.

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QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jan 10, 2005 -> 04:44 PM)
Anyone on this site will tell you that I love Willie Harris. If it wasn't for this deal i'd rather see him as our starting 2B this year. However the reason that I pull the trigger on this deal has nothing to do with Willie and everything to do with Pods. Pods won't be a legit leadoff hitter. If giving up Marte gets us one then we have to do it. As much as I would hate to give up Marte it sucks going into the season with a maybe at leadoff. This gives us as close to a sure thing as we're going to get.

 

Well said :headbang Very good point. Having another guy as a fallback option for leadoff in the event Pods doesn't come near his 2003 form, is an important factor in bringing someone in for 2b/ SS.

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I want the missing piece in the middle infield to come via free agency; luckily, I think that is exactly what's going to happen.

 

Although I have been signing the praises of the 2002-2004 Marlins and their production at the top of the lineup, I fear what Kenny would have to give up for Castillo.

 

I truly believe Alex Cora will be a member of the 2005 White Sox, making any possibilty of trading for Castillo completely moot...just speculation on my part, but Kenny is in the position where he does NOT need to make any more moves. If the perfect deal presents itself Kenny might consider it, otherwise, look for that middle infield spot to be filled via free agency (namely Alex Cora).

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QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jan 10, 2005 -> 04:59 PM)
I truly believe Alex Cora will be a member of the 2005 White Sox, making any possibilty of trading for Castillo completely moot...just speculation on my part, but Kenny is in the position where he does NOT need to make any more moves.  If the perfect deal presents itself Kenny might consider it, otherwise, look for that middle infield spot to be filled via free agency (namely Alex Cora).

 

The fact that KW doesn't have to make a move, and other teams do [to fill big holes, free up salary, etc], puts the sox in a good position to pick up a guy via trade for less than it would other wise. KW could step in when another team has to deal, like if FLA signed Delgado. Castillo could be had for less, as the M's could justify trading Luis in order to free up cash to get Delgado.

 

I don't think Cora will be on the sox. If they wanted him, they'd have gotten him by now that Iguchi seems like a memory.

 

I do think KW is sitting out for a "semi-perfect deal" or two. With various names being tossed about linked to the sox, like Durham, Byrnes, and Rollins, it sure sounds like KW is looking to improve the club.

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QUOTE(lvjeremylv @ Jan 10, 2005 -> 08:48 AM)
I'm still wondering how an OBP of .343 is "failing".  Is it great?  No, of course not.  But is it a failure to have a .343 OBP in your first real shot at the major league level?  I say absolutely not.  Add to that solid defense at 2B along with 19 stolen bases, and I'd say it was rather successful.  His power numbers were invisible, but that wasn't a surprise to anybody.

 

Why so down on him?  And provide reasons and explanations - not just baseless and floating statements.

 

I could see us trading away our best reliever (no offense to Shingo, I love the guy - but he's got to do it again for me to buy him as the real deal) if we were going to get something great like a package deal for a #1 or #2 starter, but to upgrade a position that's really not that weak for us?  I just wouldn't see the logic in that at all.

 

And just for fun I checked out Luis Castillo's stats to make sure I wasn't rushing to judgement, and I'm really not.  If the Sox were to trade Marte for Castillo, we'd be picking up some salary (not sure how much Marte is due to make in the next couple of years, but it's not as much as Castillo), weakening our bullpen considerably, all while upgrading slightly.

 

Breakdown of Willie Harris vs. Luis Castillo from 2004...

 

Batting Average:  WH .262  LC .291 --- advantage LC by 29 points

OBP:  WH .343 LC .373 --- advantage LC by 30 points

Steals:  WH 19 LC 21 --- advantage Willie (he had 155 less AB than Luis)

Fielding Percentage (at 2B):  WH .990 LC .991

 

Soooo, we'd be giving up our best reliever (who's also one of the top 3 or 4 lefties out of the pen in the AL, if not all of baseball) and a couple million in salary (at least) to gain 30 batting average points?  Is that worth it?  To me, it's not.  Speed and defense are a wash IMO.  Especially when Willie *should* improve upon those numbers with more regular playing time.  Willie has a lot of upside, while Luis Castillo's best years are behind him IMO.

 

Am I the only one who doesn't hate Willie Harris?  Ha ha.

 

 

The difference in those BA and OBP numbers between an everyday 2b as opposed to a part timer are quite significant.

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Anyone on this site will tell you that I love Willie Harris. If it wasn't for this deal i'd rather see him as our starting 2B this year. However the reason that I pull the trigger on this deal has nothing to do with Willie and everything to do with Pods. Pods won't be a legit leadoff hitter. If giving up Marte gets us one then we have to do it. As much as I would hate to give up Marte it sucks going into the season with a maybe at leadoff. This gives us as close to a sure thing as we're going to get.

 

 

The only thing Harris has the talent for is Triple-a.. Yes he has the Def range.. but so did Royce Clayton, and he didn't last to long. I don't know why people are in love with this guy so much?

 

Also Pods will succeed this year, hit about .270/.340/60-70

Bank on it :headbang

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QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Jan 10, 2005 -> 11:17 AM)
The only thing Harris has the talent for is Triple-a.. Yes he has the Def range.. but so did Royce Clayton, and he didn't last to long. I don't know why people are in love with this guy so much?

 

Also Pods will succeed this year, hit about .270/.340/60-70

Bank on it :headbang

 

I, too, often wonder why people are in love with Harris.

 

Perhaps he's tiny and cute?

 

Perhaps he has a cute nickname?

 

Perhaps he is inconsistant in the extreme, but has fantastic range?

 

I dunno.

 

Something I'd bank on...he'll be out the door sometime in 2005. JMO

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QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Jan 10, 2005 -> 05:17 PM)
The only thing Harris has the talent for is Triple-a.. Yes he has the Def range.. but so did Royce Clayton, and he didn't last to long. I don't know why people are in love with this guy so much?

 

 

Willie has major league talent. You should give him that, he showed it last yr. Whether his talent [and attitude, makeup, etc] is a fit for the sox, KW and co. don't seem to think so.

 

For some reason, the comparison between Willie and D'Angelo Jimenez comes to mind.

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