Winnin Ugly Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Has the player to be name later is their any reports out there who might becoming to the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(Winnin Ugly @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 12:31 PM) Has the player to be name later is their any reports out there who might becoming to the Sox. I haven't seen anything, not even a guess at who it might be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnin Ugly Posted January 9, 2005 Author Share Posted January 9, 2005 I heard a report when the trade happen about Ben Hendrickson coming to the sox. But havent heard anything else since... Does anyone have any stats on Hendrickson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(Winnin Ugly @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 12:41 PM) I heard a report when the trade happen about Ben Hendrickson coming to the sox. But havent heard anything else since... Does anyone have any stats on Hendrickson He's going no where. W-11 L- 3 ERA-2.02 IP-125 SO-93 HR-6 ^^^Minor League Numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnin Ugly Posted January 9, 2005 Author Share Posted January 9, 2005 Found some ML stats on him he was 1-8 with a 6.22 era last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Hendrickson would be a nice PTBNL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 I'd take Spivey in a second though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxmatt Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 01:34 PM) I'd take Spivey in a second though. hell yeah. who wouldnt? I doubt he is the Ptbnl though. It would be a steal if he was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxmatt Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(Mr. Zero @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 01:27 PM) Hendrickson would be a nice PTBNL. Hendrickson's stats are similiar to those of felix diaz. Great in AAA s***ty in the MLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 what benefit is there in having a PTBNL in a trade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaDoc Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(Jake @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 08:02 PM) what benefit is there in having a PTBNL in a trade? They may have him protected on the 40 man roster when the draft occurs(aalows us to protect one more), we may have a pool to select from thus giving us time to reasses etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Yeah, I'm actually anxious about this PTBNL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubs Suck23 Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 I also heard awhile back that the PTBNL is Ben Hendrickson.. If he indeed is the player this would be a great trade for the Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(Cubs Suck23 @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 05:23 PM) I also heard awhile back that the PTBNL is Ben Hendrickson.. If he indeed is the player this would be a great trade for the Sox Haha no way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxman352000 Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 QUOTE(Cubs Suck23 @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 11:23 PM) I also heard awhile back that the PTBNL is Ben Hendrickson.. If he indeed is the player this would be a great trade for the Sox No way we will probably end up with some middle of the road minor league guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 well if the player is named later like once the season begins, and pods is sucking and carlos is hitting the hell out of the ball, they may let us take hendrickson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Doug Melvin isn't stupid, in fact he should be writing a book on how to run a small market franchise based on his moves so far this off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Is there a max time that they PTBNL needs to be done? Could it be based on Carlos' production in 2005? Tier 1 = Carlos .315 35+ homers 120+RBIs Tier 2 = Carlos .280 25+ homers 100+ RBIs Tier 3 = Carlos .260 20+ homers 80+ RBIs Or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False Alarm Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 not sure, but i think max time is 6 months. if that's the case you gotta figure the sox'll use the whole six months so they can use the first couple of months of the minor-league season to evaluate the brewers' guys. personally, i'll be pissed if we don't get at least a decent prospect outta the deal. the brewers have a good, deep system and were getting a legit middle-of-the-order hitter; kenny should've pushed for a list of quality minor leaguers. guys like prince fielder and weeks and maybe JJ hardy were probably off limits, but i'm hoping we get someone in that next tier (hendrickson would be fine with me). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Podsednik, Vizcaino, Hernandez and Pierzynski. I'm not going to be pissed if the PTNL isn't stud. This deal has worked out great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 10, 2005 -> 11:25 AM) Podsednik, Vizcaino, Hernandez and Pierzynski. I'm not going to be pissed if the PTNL isn't stud. This deal has worked out great. Well put. There was an article on this subject in the Saturday Tribune. ^ | | were his sentiments exactly. Carlos Lee turned into Podsednik, Vizcaino, Hernandez, and Pierzynski...not too shabby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False Alarm Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 i agree the deal's worked out well for our organization, and i applaud kenny for it, but strictly from the standpoint of getting fair value from the other team in return for a high-quality player (+ cash), i think a genuine prospect, not filler, is in order. i mean, it wasn't literally a trade for those four players, and selling guys like carlos lee at slashed prices bothers me. we shouldn't need to make straight salary dumps with the likes of milwaukee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 The deal has not worked out great for the CWS. You're letting KW off the hook. Lee was the most sought after talent on the CWS. Many teams wanted Lee. His trade value was at an all-time high. Salary purge or not, KW should have gotten much more than 2 avg at best players & a PTBNL that will likely never see his name in lights at the Cell. This was a bad trade for the CWS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False Alarm Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 12:58 AM) The deal has not worked out great for the CWS. You're letting KW off the hook. Lee was the most sought after talent on the CWS. Many teams wanted Lee. His trade value was at an all-time high. Salary purge or not, KW should have gotten much more than 2 avg at best players & a PTBNL that will likely never see his name in lights at the Cell. This was a bad trade for the CWS. dude, i never put kenny on the hook. i'm one of those oddballs who wait until well after a trade's been consumated to make definitive judgments. sometimes i even like to wait until the teams have played some games. for real though, your point's well taken. i find it hard to believe kenny couldn't've found better value out there for a guy like caballo. when i say i think the deal's worked out well (not "great" by any means), i'm just generally relieved that we actually attempted to address some needs with the money saved. whether i love those particular moves is another story, but i'm willing to wait and see and, for now, give KW the benefit of the doubt. you raise some worrisome stats about some of the players we've acquired, but i'm also not sure how much weight i put on those stats' predictive value, given all the other variables that'll affect performance. so, in summary, i'm going into this season biting my fingernails, but with cautious optimism about our moves. as for the trade, i'm skeptical, but i think it's premature to pronounce it a failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babybearhater Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 The deal has not worked out great for the CWS. You're letting KW off the hook. Lee was the most sought after talent on the CWS. Many teams wanted Lee. His trade value was at an all-time high. Salary purge or not, KW should have gotten much more than 2 avg at best players & a PTBNL that will likely never see his name in lights at the Cell. This was a bad trade for the CWS. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> this is coming from someone who has said that KW improved the team-here is a quote from your previous post "Speed? : Improved with Pods Rotation? : Improved with El-Duque Defense? : Improved with Dye. Hitting? : Improved with healthy Dye, Thomas, & AJ. Relief? : Improved with Hermannson a lot, Luis a little. Meanwhile the Twinks lost Koskie, Guzman, Mientcy. Re-vamping their IF in 2005. What's the probabilities the new guys will be as good or better D than the old ones? If you were a betting man you would say the CWS improved over last yr's injury plagued team at the same time the Twinks got weaker. That should give the CWS a nod in the div race. " Looks like you let him off the hook already Juggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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