S720 Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 Found this on the MLB White Sox forum: "BostonDirtdogs.com It seems like the Chicago Whitesox are about to aquire another former twin in Doug Mien----- there is a deal between the the redsox and whitesox that would send the whitesox Doug Mien--- and Byun ----- for Carl Everett, Ross Gload and Prospect they are supposed to get from Brewers it is suppose to go down by Wednesday" Has anyone heard anything about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 This was a garbage rumor made up by a troll. Don't waste your time on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 QUOTE(S720 @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 09:56 AM) Found this on the MLB White Sox forum: "BostonDirtdogs.com It seems like the Chicago Whitesox are about to aquire another former twin in Doug Mien----- there is a deal between the the redsox and whitesox that would send the whitesox Doug Mien--- and Byun ----- for Carl Everett, Ross Gload and Prospect they are supposed to get from Brewers it is suppose to go down by Wednesday" Has anyone heard anything about this? I can't believe Boston would try and reacquire Everett. Things didn't go too well the first time around. EDIT: On second thought, that trade sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 QUOTE(S720 @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 09:56 AM) Found this on the MLB White Sox forum: "BostonDirtdogs.com It seems like the Chicago Whitesox are about to aquire another former twin in Doug Mien----- there is a deal between the the redsox and whitesox that would send the whitesox Doug Mien--- and Byun ----- for Carl Everett, Ross Gload and Prospect they are supposed to get from Brewers it is suppose to go down by Wednesday" Has anyone heard anything about this? I really doubt the Red Sox would have any interest reliving the Carl Everett era. He is hated in Boston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 09:58 AM) This was a garbage rumor made up by a troll. Don't waste your time on it. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 09:59 AM) Thank you. Someone posted it last night, and I guess it got traced back to Rashid, who is infamous for making up BS trades. They moved it off of the site, but I am going to leave this up for all to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 Sitting on this barstool talking like a damn fool Got the twelve o’clock news blues And I’ve given up hope on the afternoon soaps And a bottle of cold brew Is it any wonder I’m not crazy? is it any wonder I’m sane at all Well I’m so tired of losing- I got nothing to do and all day to do it I go out cruisin’ but I’ve no place to go and all night to get there Is it any wonder I’m not a criminal? Is it any wonder I’m not in jail? Is it any wonder I’ve got Too much time on my hands, it’s ticking away with my sanity I’ve got too much time on my hands, it’s hard to believe such a calamity I’ve got too much time on my hands and it’s ticking away from me Too much time on my hands, too much time on my hands Too much time on my hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 QUOTE(S720 @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 09:56 AM) Found this on the MLB White Sox forum: "BostonDirtdogs.com It seems like the Chicago Whitesox are about to aquire another former twin in Doug Mien----- there is a deal between the the redsox and whitesox that would send the whitesox Doug Mien--- and Byun ----- for Carl Everett, Ross Gload and Prospect they are supposed to get from Brewers it is suppose to go down by Wednesday" Has anyone heard anything about this? i actually did hear about this somewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 QUOTE(chi-guy2 @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 10:08 AM) i actually did hear about this somewhere I'd be curious for you to link it then, because the site mentioned... http://forums.prospero.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?webtag=bc-redsox ...Has absolutely nothing about it on their message boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 10:16 AM) I'd be curious for you to link it then, because the site mentioned... http://forums.prospero.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?webtag=bc-redsox ...Has absolutely nothing about it on their message boards. Good news on For all of the things the Red Sox accomplished in 2004, one of the more encouraging developments for the long term is that the Sox did it all while giving up just one prospect, outfielder Matt Murton, who was traded in the Nomar Garciaparra deal. In that way, trading Garciaparra had additional benefit beyond 2004 because the Sox were able to improve last season and preserve the future, which makes the deal all that much more of a coup for general manager Theo Epstein. Clearly, the ability to keep their prospects means something to Red Sox officials, who have spent some time lately noting that they will have six picks in the first round and sandwich round of next June's draft. Sox officials believe there will be a deep pool of talent available this summer, too, which means they should be able to stock their farm system with even more talent, all of which could start to pay dividends relatively soon. By this time next year, in fact, Sox officials are hopeful they will have one of the deepest and most talented farm systems in baseball, though things still must go right between now and them. But that said, the Sox finally may be approaching that time when some of their minor league talent may be ready to play in the majors soon, giving the club the ability to manage costs, make trades and pursue free agents, affording Epstein the kind of options that any general manager would love. In the interim, the Sox even may be able to add decent prospects by trading pitcher Byung-Hyun Kim [stats, news] and either first baseman Doug Mientkiewicz [stats, news] or Kevin Millar [stats, news], though Epstein's affection for offense suggests that Mientkiewicz likely will be the one moved. As for Kim, the Red Sox expect a decent minor leaguer in return if they are forced to eat the majority of Kim's $6 million salary for 2005, and the reason a deal hasn't been done yet is because the Sox will not eat Kim's contract and accept nothing back. So while there is virtually no chance Kim will ever again pitch for the Red Sox - signing Kim to a two-year, $10 million deal remains Epstein's biggest blunder as Sox GM - the Sox may very well take the pitcher to spring training, at which point the market for Kim could improve depending on injuries and performance in other camps. doesnt say white sox but on espn 1000 they reported that the red sox have been scouting the white sox farm system mets and blue jays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 there will be a deep pool of (draft) talent available this summer Screw Magglio Ordonez and Steve Boras. :fyou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 10:40 AM) Screw Magglio Ordonez and Steve Boras. :fyou No thanks, not my type . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 10:43 AM) No thanks, not my type . . . Figuratively speaking of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 10:48 AM) Figuratively speaking of course. Seriously, if you were a superstar player, wouldn't you want Boras negotiating your contract? Say what you will about him, he gets some deals for his players. If you got the bucks, step into his showroom. Who has represented more Hall of Fame bound clients? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 10:55 AM) Seriously, if you were a superstar player, wouldn't you want Boras negotiating your contract? Say what you will about him, he gets some deals for his players. If you got the bucks, step into his showroom. Who has represented more Hall of Fame bound clients? Honestly, no. I think I'd be leaning toward an agent that listened more to what I had to say than what the union and Boras' bank book says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 10:57 AM) Honestly, no. I think I'd be leaning toward an agent that listened more to what I had to say than what the union and Boras' bank book says. You don't hear his clients complaining. In the end he does work for you. You can control who you sign with. There seems to be a right of passage in being his client. You reach some All-Star dividing line and he seemingly has everybody signed. I wonder what the reality is behind the public image? I know I would not want some father figure patron saint telling me what to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 11:00 AM) You don't hear his clients complaining. In the end he does work for you. You can control who you sign with. There seems to be a right of passage in being his client. You reach some All-Star dividing line and he seemingly has everybody signed. I wonder what the reality is behind the public image? I know I would not want some father figure patron saint telling me what to do. I remember that Beltran specifically expressed his objections to playing in NY. Yet, he's in NY. Boras has a way of manipulating players into signing for the most money, regardless of their personal desires. Not too difficult for a good salesman I guess. But it allows Boras to tell the next guy, "Look what I got for him....." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 11:03 AM) I remember that Beltran specifically expressed his objections to playing in NY. Yet, he's in NY. Boras has a way of manipulating players into signing for the most money, regardless of their personal desires. Not too difficult for a good salesman I guess. But it allows Boras to tell the next guy, "Look what I got for him....." I guess some people could be intimidated by Boras. I wonder if Beltran made that statement as part of a carefully scripted Boras ploy to get more money out of the Mets? Really meant the Bankees? Really meant it? I would want the potential for winning, stadium suiting my playing ability, and a couple other things weighed into the equation, but very few players seem to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 11:06 AM) I guess some people could be intimidated by Boras. I wonder if Beltran made that statement as part of a carefully scripted Boras ploy to get more money out of the Mets? Really meant the Bankees? Really meant it? I would want the potential for winning, stadium suiting my playing ability, and a couple other things weighed into the equation, but very few players seem to. When they do, they get criticized in the press. Look at Vazquez and Green. A lot of a player's preferences doesn't come out, but when it does Boras seems to just brush that aside. ARod signing with Texas is another example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 QUOTE(chi-guy2 @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 10:30 AM) doesnt say white sox but on espn 1000 they reported that the red sox have been scouting the white sox farm system mets and blue jays That doesn't say anything relating to this specific trade rumor you say that you saw... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 11:08 AM) When they do, they get criticized in the press. Look at Vazquez and Green. A lot of a player's preferences doesn't come out, but when it does Boras seems to just brush that aside. ARod signing with Texas is another example. I thought the ARod issues came later when the team couldn't spend more money to build a winner as they promised?? He does have a way to claim all the top players and those that think they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 11:03 AM) I remember that Beltran specifically expressed his objections to playing in NY. Yet, he's in NY. Boras has a way of manipulating players into signing for the most money, regardless of their personal desires. Not too difficult for a good salesman I guess. But it allows Boras to tell the next guy, "Look what I got for him....." And therein lies the problem. If you want to be technical about it, Beltran would have brought home more money in Texas, which has no state income tax, vs NY state. But since Borass can sell his secondary clients higher based on the per annum that Beltran got, this is a better deal for Borass, and guess where Beltran ended up. And that is dispite his love of Houston, his objections for NYC, and more money in Houston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 11:14 AM) And therein lies the problem. If you want to be technical about it, Beltran would have brought home more money in Texas, which has no state income tax, vs NY state. But since Borass can sell his secondary clients higher based on the per annum that Beltran got, this is a better deal for Borass, and guess where Beltran ended up. And that is dispite his love of Houston, his objections for NYC, and more money in Houston. Add in the cost of living in NYC and it's a slam dunk. Beltran screwed himself to Boras' benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 11:11 AM) I thought the ARod issues came later when the team couldn't spend more money to build a winner as they promised?? He does have a way to claim all the top players and those that think they are. Texas was not on ARod's radar at all. I really can't remember the details, but not only was the amount a shock, but the fact he signed with Texas was. However, since I can't seem to remember what the hell was going on there, I withdraw that statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 11:40 AM) Screw Magglio Ordonez and Steve Boras. :fyou Who is Steve Boras? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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