santo=dorf Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 Why don't you just store these stats in a word document or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted February 2, 2005 Author Share Posted February 2, 2005 Now look at the Twins: PRE-AS-04: 9+: 12W =8: 5W, 1L =7: 6W, 1L =6: 8W, 4L =5: 3W, 1L =4: 9W,4L =3: 5W,6L =2: 1W, 10L =1: 1W, 8L =0: 4L POS-AS-04: 9+ 5W, 1L =8 8W =7 7W, 1L =6 6W, 3L =5 5W, 1L =4 8W, 3L =3 3W, 9L =2 1W, 7L =1 4L SOX 04 RPG < 8: 25W, 35L -10 RPG < 8: 22W, 38L -16 vs MIN 04 RPG < 8: 33W, 38L -5 RPG < 8: 30W, 28L +2 Did Kenny do enough to give the Sox the edge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted February 2, 2005 Author Share Posted February 2, 2005 Pen comparisons: SOX ST: 6-4 208BAvs DM: 6-5 252BAvs DH: 3-6 238BAvs LV: 4-4 252BAvs CP: 0-3 288BAvs NC: 4-4 252BAvs JA: 2-3 313BAvs I prefer Cotts to Adkins. That 313 BAvs is scary. MIN: JN: 0-2 188 BAvs JR: 3-3 185 BAvs JCR: 3-3 199 BAvs JC: 3-0 179 BAvs GB 1-1 276 BAvs MG 0-0 243 BAvs TM: 4-6 331 BAvs Wow! Where does MIN find these guys? This thread includes Cleveland in the debate. http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...61entry574161 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 Adkins was better than Cotts last season. Just look at their ERA's by month. It's too bad Adkins isn't a lefty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted February 2, 2005 Author Share Posted February 2, 2005 Adkins was better than Cotts last season. Just look at their ERA's by month. It's too bad Adkins isn't a lefty. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How can you say that? Opponents hit 313 vs Adkins in the 2nd half!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They only hit 252 vs Cotts. If it was close like say 283 vs 252 I would give Adkins the nod, but 313? That's a recipe for losing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted February 2, 2005 Author Share Posted February 2, 2005 Adkins was lucky in the 1st half. Got out of some jams. NC 7.42K/9 1.45WHIP 5.64ERA JA 6.33K/9 1.63WHIP 3.33ERA - very lucky. Look at his WHIP! NC 8.49K/9 1.34WHIP 5.66ERA JA 6.43K/9 1.46WHIP 5.66ERA - his luck caught up with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Feb 2, 2005 -> 04:16 PM) How can you say that? Opponents hit 313 vs Adkins in the 2nd half!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They only hit 252 vs Cotts. If it was close like say 283 vs 252 I would give Adkins the nod, but 313? That's a recipe for losing. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It's hard to hit Cotts considering he can't get it over the plate. :rolly Cotts (ERA by Month): April: .90 May: 7.00 June: 8.68 July: 9.45 August: 2.30 September: 7.98 That's terrible :headshake Adkins (ERA by Month): April: 4.05 May: 2.25 June: 1.69 July: 5.23 August: 4.96 September: 7.94 Guillen was really absuing Adkins in August and September, which led to some horrific outings. Cotts (WHIP by Month): April: 1.00 May: 1.67 June: 1.61 July: 1.20 (Cotts allowed 8 baserunners and 7 scored.) August: 1.21 September: 1.64 Adkins (WHIP by Month): April: 1.80 May: 1.33 June: 1.31 July: 1.65 August: 1.41 September: 1.76 I give Adkins the slight edge, but because Neal is a lefty I would give him the last slot in the bullpen (assuming we only carry 11 pitchers.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted February 2, 2005 Author Share Posted February 2, 2005 It's hard to hit Cotts considering he can't get it over the plate. :rolly Cotts (ERA by Month): April: .90 May: 7.00 June: 8.68 July: 9.45 August: 2.30 September: 7.98 That's terrible :headshake Adkins (ERA by Month): April: 4.05 May: 2.25 June: 1.69 July: 5.23 August: 4.96 September: 7.94 Guillen was really absuing Adkins in August and September, which led to some horrific outings. Cotts (WHIP by Month): April: 1.00 May: 1.67 June: 1.61 July: 1.20 (Cotts allowed 8 baserunners and 7 scored.) August: 1.21 September: 1.64 Adkins (WHIP by Month): April: 1.80 May: 1.33 June: 1.31 July: 1.65 August: 1.41 September: 1.76 I give Adkins the slight edge, but because Neal is a lefty I would give him the last slot in the bullpen (assuming we only carry 11 pitchers.) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's an unfair comparison. Cotts had a whacked out start. We should really compare their relief stats ONLY! NC RP 5.29ERA, 4-3, 63IP, 11HR, 29W, 57K, 237BAv JA RP 4.65ERA, 2-3, 62IP, 13HR, 20W, 44K, 305BAv Adkins has a better era because he was lucky in the first 1/2. It all went to pot for him in the 2nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Feb 2, 2005 -> 04:56 PM) Adkins has a better era because he was lucky in the first 1/2. It all went to pot for him in the 2nd. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> :headshake And that's where the conversation ends. That's something I expect to hear from a Cubs fan, not a Sox fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted February 2, 2005 Author Share Posted February 2, 2005 :headshake And that's where the conversation ends. That's something I expect to hear from a Cubs fan, not a Sox fan. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You can deny it if you want, but when you look at his WHIP for both half's & his ERA what other conclusion can you drawn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Feb 2, 2005 -> 05:08 PM) You can deny it if you want, but when you look at his WHIP for both half's & his ERA what other conclusion can you drawn? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Adkins pitched himslef into less trouble. Cotts needs better control. Like I said, once Adkins started pitching well Ozzie was marching him out there every night. Don't forget that in September Politte went on the DL, Jackson was released, and Ozzie didn't have much faith in Diaz which led to both of them getting a lot more innings. I remember Hawk talking about it on a broadcast; I was talking to big Jon (Adkins) today, and I told him the reason why Ozzie keeps putting you out there every night is because you're a stud. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing them both in the bullpen for 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 Cotts needs triple a. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted February 2, 2005 Author Share Posted February 2, 2005 Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing them both in the bullpen for 2005. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You have to keep in mind that Everett will be a bench player when Thomas returns. With 4 new everday position players in 05, the SOX need a 5 man bench. Gload, Timo, Davis - sure things. If Davis were to fail miserably or go down then Burke would take his spot. That leaves 2 open spots. One of which Everett will take when Thomas returns. Start of the season: Harris, Ozuna (or the other SS guy) Thomas returns: Everett, & one of the above 2 is sent down/cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted February 2, 2005 Author Share Posted February 2, 2005 The Cotts vs Adkins thing for the final pen spot should work itself out in ST. They both had bad Sept so I think it's wide open. OZ probably is leaning towards Cotts because he's a LH. LH couldn't buy a hit vs Vizcaino in 04 (.163BA, .245OBP, .341S). LH couldn't buy one off Marte either (.143BA, .259OBP, .214S). So there isn't a great need for a LH like Cotts but I know OZ likes balance. Surprisingly Cotts is more effective vs RH than Adkins. NC vs RH 143AB 14RBI .231BA .329O .399S JA vs RH 139AB 21RBI .288BA .327O .446S That really helps Cotts cause because he's more effective vs RH's than Vizcaino. Maybe most of his control problems are against LHers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted February 11, 2005 Author Share Posted February 11, 2005 http://sabrsox.blogspot.com/2005/01/under-...ove-season.html A good article related to Win Share projections for 2005. The IN vs OUT in the lineup puts us at a +5 WS over 2004. A lot of that is coming from Iggy though. The IN vs OUT in the staff puts us at a +12 WS over 2004. E-LO, worse than Adkins, & Jackson vs Duque, Herm, & Vizc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Nine more times cheat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Feb 2, 2005 -> 05:15 PM) Adkins pitched himslef into less trouble. Cotts needs better control. Like I said, once Adkins started pitching well Ozzie was marching him out there every night. Don't forget that in September Politte went on the DL, Jackson was released, and Ozzie didn't have much faith in Diaz which led to both of them getting a lot more innings. I remember Hawk talking about it on a broadcast; Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing them both in the bullpen for 2005. For as much flack as KW took for that Durham trade(he should take flack for it...he traded a 2Bman with an OBP of .390 at the trade deadline for a AAA reliever who had surgery and missed a year...he should still be getting s*** for that trade, because he could have gotten a lot more), Adkins is turning out to be quite good for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted February 11, 2005 Author Share Posted February 11, 2005 On Adkins I don't see what you're seeing: Aug 4.96ERA 16.1IP .318BA Sep 8.71ERA 10.1IP .367BA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 12, 2005 Share Posted February 12, 2005 I love the subtitle Kudos the the fixer of this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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