thedoctor Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 CLEVELAND (AP) — Juan Gonzalez led the Indians the last time they reached the playoffs. They think he may be healthy enough to do it again. Gonzalez signed a minor league contract with Cleveland on Tuesday, returning to the team he had 35 homers and 140 RBIs for in 2001. Gonzalez’s production has dropped since then because of injuries. But Indians general manager Mark Shapiro said Gonzalez has been working with a trainer to overcome back problems and is close to 100 percent. “Should he come into camp healthy and in good form, I fully expect him to make our club and be a starting outfielder,” Shapiro said. If Gonzalez makes the Indians’ 25-man roster in spring training, he would get $600,000 and have a chance to earn another $1.65 million in bonuses based on plate appearances and $300,000 based on time on the active roster. Shapiro said the signing involves little risk for the Indians and has the potential to improve the team’s run production. “He’s extremely positive. Extremely motivated. Excited to come back here,” Shapiro said. “He’s conscious of what we’re going through right now and wants to be a part of that.” Both the Indians and Gonzalez haven’t been the same since 2001 — the last time Cleveland was in the postseason and the two-time American League MVP played a full season. Once one of baseball’s most feared right-handed power hitters, the 35-year-old Gonzalez has been limited to just 185 games the past three seasons with Texas and Kansas City because of a variety of injuries. He played in just 33 games with the Royals last season, batting .276 with five homers and 17 RBIs. He has 434 career homers for Texas, Detroit, Cleveland and Kansas City. Gonzalez could take the right-field job away from Casey Blake, who is moving there from third to make room for Aaron Boone. If that happens, Shapiro said Blake could be moved to left field, pushing Coco Crisp to center and forcing Grady Sizemore to begin the season at Triple-A Buffalo. Shapiro said he is still looking to improve the team’s bench and is talking to utilityman Lou Merloni about returning to the club. He said even if he doesn’t add another player, he’s satisfied with what the team has accomplished this offseason, signing pitchers Kevin Millwood, Bob Wickman and Scott Elarton, infielders Ronnie Belliard and Jose Hernandez, and trading for reliever Arthur Rhodes. “If we are done, I feel good about what we’ve done,” Shapiro said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxhawks Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 he's juan done, he has nothing left Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISF Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 Ugh. Millwood and Gonzalez. Cleveland is taking a very interesting young team and turning it into 'Has-Beens R' Us' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 I believe Juan has something left. Obviously not defensively. He played a half season in 03 I believe that would have translated into a 40 homer year. I doubt he can play more than 120 games-but I bet the pop is still there. I think the Indians have needed to add a veteran bat since Thome left, and they have done that. It's low risk-high reward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 10:44 PM) It's low risk-high reward. More like low risk-moderate reward. His back hasn't been right in years. He'll still pop 20 homers and probably have around 65 rbi's, but he'll probably be healthy for only 100 games. But $1.65mil isn't a bad investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 Why didn't the Sox do this? A minor league deal and also he'll probably be a good DH for them. I agree, he probably can't play defense anymore, but I think Juan Gone can still hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLAK Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 05:10 PM) Why didn't the Sox do this? A minor league deal and also he'll probably be a good DH for them. I agree, he probably can't play defense anymore, but I think Juan Gone can still hit. Its a minor league deal that only amounts to money if he makes the team. I think he would be unlikely to beat out Frank Thomas or Carl Everett for a spot on the Sox. So he's smart to look over the rosters and go where he thinks he can stick with the big team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox91403 Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 The Indians worry me. If Juan Gone and Millwoood work out for them, they are going to be that much tougher. Plus, they have Aaron Boone now. Thank god they traded Lawton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 05:10 PM) Why didn't the Sox do this? A minor league deal and also he'll probably be a good DH for them. I agree, he probably can't play defense anymore, but I think Juan Gone can still hit. Why would you even say that, there is absolutely no need at all for Juan Gonzalez and there is no way in hell, if he has any kind of brains, that he would sign with the Sox. Seeing how he has no chance of making the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 QUOTE(whitesox91403 @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 05:32 PM) The Indians worry me. If Juan Gone and Millwoood work out for them, they are going to be that much tougher. Plus, they have Aaron Boone now. Thank god they traded Lawton. Their bullpen still sucks and their rotation is medicore. They do have an excellent offense but that do not have all the pieces in my opinion to really contend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxman352000 Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 No gs in the tank, hes done. I'll be shocked if he makes through a whole season without an injury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 I wish we had got him....I had him in my radar for a minor league contract Low risk, high reward deals are huge for a team like ours with salary constraints The Indians are quietly getting in position to contend for the division. And we all know if they even have one winning season, they will spend the money for another 10 year run at the division, while we will continue to twiddle our thumbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 We didn't need another OFer, especially one that injury prone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Jan 12, 2005 -> 12:02 AM) We didn't need another OFer, especially one that injury prone. So you rather bank on Rowand producing like last year (his first decent year ever) and Pod returning to his two year back form? Umm...ok whatever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 QUOTE(sox-r-us @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 06:06 PM) So you rather bank on Rowand producing like last year (his first decent year ever) and Pod returning to his two year back form? Umm...ok whatever Rowand was a career .283 hitter coming into last season i believe. Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxmatt Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 I'm not worried about him. He's washed up. I sure as hell wouldnt have wanted him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jan 12, 2005 -> 12:08 AM) Rowand was a career .283 hitter coming into last season i believe. Just saying. And what are Juna's career #s ? ... Just saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxmatt @ Jan 12, 2005 -> 12:17 AM) I'm not worried about him. He's washed up. I sure as hell wouldnt have wanted him. Every year some teams get these low risk, high reward washed up players to work and it helps them big time Did you know Rod Beck was better than Koch last year? Did you know Carpenter was better than any freaking starting pitcher on our squad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 QUOTE(sox-r-us @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 06:20 PM) And what are Juna's career #s ? ... Just saying If the sox wanted to sign him it would have taken a guaranteed contract. You would be willing to give him one? I sure as hell know i would not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backman Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 i have a question didnt the mets offer juan a major league deal? or if not the mets anyone? i dont see why he took a minor league deal , were he'll be playing with players trying to work their butts off to make it to the majors, i have the feeling he will just get forgoten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jan 12, 2005 -> 12:22 AM) If the sox wanted to sign him it would have taken a guaranteed contract. You would be willing to give him one? I sure as hell know i would not. Why not give him a minor league deal like the Indians gave him? Or at least try? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 QUOTE(sox-r-us @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 07:22 PM) Every year some teams get these low risk, high reward washed up players to work and it helps them big time Did you know Rod Beck was better than Koch last year? Did you know Carpenter was better than any freaking starting pitcher on our squad? I feel pretty confident with where our OF stands. Juan Gone can't run or hit for contact. What good is he in this lineup? If he can play 2B, sure I'll take him. :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 QUOTE(sox-r-us @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 06:22 PM) Did you know Rod Beck was better than Koch last year? No he was not. He had a 6.38 era last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 QUOTE(sox-r-us @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 06:23 PM) Why not give him a minor league deal like the Indians gave him? Or at least try? Because he has a better chance of making the indians than the white sox believe it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 11:10 PM) Why didn't the Sox do this? A minor league deal and also he'll probably be a good DH for them. I agree, he probably can't play defense anymore, but I think Juan Gone can still hit. Frank Thomas is our DH that's why. Why would you sign someone who is a risk physically and you don't have a spot for anyway? Juan may have signed a minor leagure contract, but he won't spend any time in the minor leagues. That is just a formality and my guess these types of signings don't count against your 40 man roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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