Jared Weaver

[Chisoxfn]

Everything I'm reading seems to indicate the Angels and Weaver are far apart. He's talking 10-11 mill and Boras is comparing him to PRior and the Angels are pretty much laughing.

 

Also was going to point out the Mets finally came to terms with Humber from Rice. He'll get 4.12 guaranteed and could get as much as a little over 5 mill over his 5 year major league contract.

 

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not much of a fan of these major league contracts cause it really seems to hurt the chances of a players development rather then help it. Just think of whats happened to Willy Mo Pena because of it. Instead of him getting plenty of ab's in the minors for a year or two, he was in the majors overwhelmed (for at least part of it) getting a lack of at bats as well as development.

 

While the intent is to get you to the majors faster, I think it hurts the chances of a player sticking in the majors.

[Soxbadger]

This is where agents like Boras off miss the boat.

 

Weaver's first contract, they are asking for 11mil for what 5-6 years he will be under contract from the team?

 

If Weaver is the next Prior, then you would want him to play as soon as possible so that he can hit free agency earlier, where the real money is. Weaver could go into the draft again, and have this same scenario occur. I mean at that point he would be out almost $4mil.

 

Also, after missing a full season, his stock will start to drop, so whatever he originally might have gotten will go down.

 

I really do not see how it can be in the players best interest to turn down millions and lose an entire year of growth.

 

SB

[LDF]

key word here is Scott Borasshole

[southsider2k5]

That's hilarious. I hope the guy flops and signs for near nothing. I don't know where college and HS players get off thinking they should make that much money and get a ML contract.

[LDF]

That's hilarious.  I hope the guy flops and signs for near nothing.  I don't know where college and HS players get off thinking they should make that much money and get a ML contract.

 

lets just say i hope he doesn't sign this yr, go to next yr draft, gets drafted and don't sign again.

[False Alarm]

i wanna preface this by saying i hate boras as much as the next guy, and it tickles me that bobby hill (and guys like him) flopped.

 

but the odds of making it to the majors, even for a guy like jared weaver, aren't that good. i think it's something like 30 to 40% of first-round picks who make it, and the percentage drops off steeply in future rounds. even if he does make it, jared weaver is no mark prior (they're not even sure he's jeff weaver), and there's no guarantee at all that he'll be the type of guy who has a huge payday when he finally hits free agency. and, of course, pitchers are known to flame out due to injury pretty often.

 

so, considering all those things, it's understandable that boras and his client, knowing his stock may never be higher, would wanna get that financial security while they can. where i think boras is really f***ing these kids over is in the sense that they're baseball players--they wanna play ball. these types of negotiations hurt their development significantly and thus, as someone said earlier, their chances for success at the thing they presumably love.

[Palehosefan]

Weaver should talk to Matt Harrington about not signing and skipping a year. That turned out real well for him...

[Soxbadger]

I understand trying to get as much money as possible, but the difference between $4mil and $8mil, is significantly smaller, than $4mil and $0.

 

SB

[Chisoxfn]

This is where agents like Boras off miss the boat.

 

Weaver's first contract, they are asking for 11mil for what 5-6 years he will be under contract from the team?

 

If Weaver is the next Prior, then you would want him to play as soon as possible so that he can hit free agency earlier, where the real money is. Weaver could go into the draft again, and have this same scenario occur. I mean at that point he would be out almost $4mil.

 

Also, after missing a full season, his stock will start to drop, so whatever he originally might have gotten will go down.

 

I really do not see how it can be in the players best interest to turn down millions and lose an entire year of growth.

 

SB

I should add that Weaver has not registered for his classes at Long Beach State which means he will not be able to pitch for them next year, unless of course he's still planning on registering.

 

This is a big mistake by him and his agent. I think at this point they should fold to the pressure, get the 7 or 8 mill guaranteed the Angels are likely offering and then as Badger mentioned if he is so good, he'll hit free agency a year quicker and make up that couple mill difference.

 

I think the Angels plan on playing some serious hardball. Right now its not really a big deal to them or Weaver since he wasn't expected to pitch shortseason after the heavy workload he had in college.

 

But if he's not ready by the start of the season I think you'll see the Angels pretty much say fine, you can't go to college so sit around a year without pitching and see your stock drop.

 

Just think of that knucklehead who kept holding out and holding out and went from being a 3rd overall selection (harrington I think was his name) to not even being a top 5 round selection. Hell, I forget where he went this past year but it was pretty bad considering.

[Harry Chappas]

Weaver should talk to Matt Harrington about not signing and skipping a year. That turned out real well for him...

 

What is his story, I missed it. I love to see greedy people fail.

[Rowand44]

Jas, what do you think of weaver as a pitcher?? I have never seen him pitch and am interested on what kind of player he would turn out to be.

[Rex Hudler]

i wanna preface this by saying i hate boras as much as the next guy, and it tickles me that bobby hill (and guys like him) flopped.

 

but the odds of making it to the majors, even for a guy like jared weaver, aren't that good. i think it's something like 30 to 40% of first-round picks who make it, and the percentage drops off steeply in future rounds. even if he does make it, jared weaver is no mark prior (they're not even sure he's jeff weaver), and there's no guarantee at all that he'll be the type of guy who has a huge payday when he finally hits free agency. and, of course, pitchers are known to flame out due to injury pretty often.

 

so, considering all those things, it's understandable that boras and his client, knowing his stock may never be higher, would wanna get that financial security while they can. where i think boras is really f***ing these kids over is in the sense that they're baseball players--they wanna play ball. these types of negotiations hurt their development significantly and thus, as someone said earlier, their chances for success at the thing they presumably love.

 

Actually, something like 85-90% of all first rounders make the big leagues. Not that many stick, but most make it.

 

My problem is that agents have gotten involved and players now get huge dollars before they have proven s***. It seems as many fail to pan out as those that do.

[AddisonStSox]

Off topic...

 

what happened to Drew's brother? did he agree to terms?

[Chisoxfn]

Jas, what do you think of weaver as a pitcher??  I have never seen him pitch and am interested on what kind of player he would turn out to be.

I don't think Weaver is as good as prior, but I have no doubt Weaver is a 3rd starter at worse in the major leagues. The guy had pinpoint control and good movement. Plus he really knew how to pitch. I'd of definately drafted him because I think he only needs about a year in the minors and could then be pencilled into the fifth spot.

 

In terms of what I think of him, even giving him 10 mill a year for the next 5 years wouldn't turn out too bad simply because I think he spends one year in the minors and the next 4 in the majors meaning your paying him roughly 2 mill a year for 5 seasons, 4 of which are spent in the majors with him developing into a pretty good pitcher and thats a cheap price for a guy like that.

 

Then after that you still have the arb service time and everything. However there is the risk that I'm way wrong on this and Weaver never makes it, but guys with his makeup and control (mixed with quality stuff) SUCEED.

[Chisoxfn]

What is his story, I missed it.  I love to see greedy people fail.

Harrington was originally drafted by either Colorado and San Diego. He demanded a huge bonus and never got it and re-entered the draft. Then he played independent ball wihle waiting for the next draft and his velocity went to crap. He went from mid 90's to mid 80's.

 

I think the Pads drafted him the next year in the 3rd round or so and he still demanded major bucks. Then this year he was picked up by like the Drays or something in double digit round if I recall. IT may of even been his 4th time in the draft (but I think it was the 3rd).

 

I'm too lazy to look the exact details up, but this is what I remember. In short he got drafted high, turned down a couple mill cause he wanted more and now won't get much anything and will never be a major leaguer.

[Dick Allen]

They need to have a system like they have in the NBA slotting amounts to be paid by the order in which guys are drafted. It would have to be something creative considering there are so many rounds, but make a maximum amount of bonus for anyone drafted in the 2nd round or later, less than the bonus given the last player in the first round. Also let teams trade their picks. This will end this ridiculousness of holding out. It will allow teams to budget their money. It will end the practice of teams having to draft by signability rather than ability. It will free up more money for players who have established themselves.

[santo=dorf]

I recall reading of hearing that according to scouts, Weaver has major-league ready stuff.

[Palehosefan]

Yep Jason nailed the Harrington situation pretty well. He hurt his baseball potential by holding out, and never did get anywhere close to what he wanted. Now he has to join the real world.

 

As for Weaver, when I've seen him pitch, he has nice stuff, not anywhere near Prior type stuff like an agent wants us to believe. But he does have alot of deception and around a 91-93mph fastball. I don't think he will be an ace, but 2-3 starter looks good for him to me. Jason has seen him pitch more than the few times I have I'm sure.

[YOUCANPUTITONTHEBOARDYES]

If you watched Weaver in the 2004 College World Series, he led Cal State Fullerton very far. He is a STUD. He's got an awesome curve and excellent leadership. In the past, you'd wonder how he'd fare against the likes of Albert Pujols and SAAAAAAAAAMMMYY. But with this new and improved steroid policy, he's going to excel in the majors.

[qwerty]

If you watched Weaver in the 2004 College World Series, he led Cal State Fullerton very far.  He is a STUD.  He's got an awesome curve and excellent leadership.  In the past, you'd wonder how he'd fare against the likes of Albert Pujols and SAAAAAAAAAMMMYY. But with this new and improved steroid policy, he's going to excel in the majors.

 

That is a small name you have there.

[Chisoxfn]

If you watched Weaver in the 2004 College World Series, he led Cal State Fullerton very far.  He is a STUD.  He's got an awesome curve and excellent leadership.  In the past, you'd wonder how he'd fare against the likes of Albert Pujols and SAAAAAAAAAMMMYY. But with this new and improved steroid policy, he's going to excel in the majors.

Was just going to point out that Weaver pitched for Cal State Long Beach, but I do agree iwth a lot of what you said. I don't quite think he'll be an ace (aka Prior-esque) but I wouldn't hold it against him.

 

Also welcome aboard, but can you PM me and pick a different user name that won't stretch the posts? I can change it for you with ease and everything else will stay the same.

 

Thanks

[farmteam]

Alright, I'm going to sound REALLY stupid if I'm wrong...but I swear I remember Weaver was at Long Beach State, not CS Fullerton.

 

Then again, I also thought Clinton Portis was a first round pick.

[qwerty]

Alright, I'm going to sound REALLY stupid if I'm wrong...but I swear I remember Weaver was at Long Beach State, not CS Fullerton.

 

Then again, I also thought Clinton Portis was a first round pick.

 

You would be right.

[Rex Hudler]

They need to have a system like they have in the NBA slotting amounts to be paid by the order in which guys are drafted. It would have to be something creative considering there are so many rounds, but make a maximum amount of bonus for anyone drafted in the 2nd round or later, less than the bonus given the last player in the first round. Also let teams trade their picks. This will end this ridiculousness of holding out. It will allow teams to budget their money. It will end the practice of teams having to draft by signability rather than ability.  It will free up more money for players who have established themselves.

 

MLB has given teams "guidelines" along the line of what you are talking about and teams try and stay within them. If they do not, then they have to explain to MLB why they went outside of them. I don't think there are any real penalties if they go outside the guidelines, but they are trying.......

[farmteam]

Yay, I feel much better.