santo=dorf Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 I say Garland is the number 5, and Contreras is #4 but I would start Contreras on the 3rd game of the season because of how well he pitched against the Indians last season, and Orlando "Big Game pitcher" Hernandez should start the first game of the Twins series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 I am going to say Garland as well... less pressure per say on the 5th starter... will benefit Garland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jan 19, 2005 -> 04:05 AM) I say Garland is the number 5, and Contreras is #4 but I would start Contreras on the 3rd game of the season because of how well he pitched against the Indians last season, and Orlando "Big Game pitcher" Hernandez should start the first game of the Twins series. Good post, agree with all of it. I don't really care who our starters are past three, four, and five. I don't really mean it like that, but Buehrle-Garcia are our obvious one and two's, but after that, it's really a tossup, IMHO. This team should try to protect El Duque, meaning, he shouldn't be an innings eater. We have a good enough bullpen to where, if El Duque can give us five-six strong innings, we'll be in good shape. As for Contreras, we all know how good he can be when he's on. If he finally pitches like he can for a whole season, he's going to be the best number three/four starter in the league, he'll give us a lot of innings, and he'll be really, really dominant. That's if he pitches to his potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 I consider the 5th starter to be Jon but this year it really doesn't matter. Ozzie at soxfest said that he doesn't plan on skipping starts this year so it really doesn't matter who the number 5 guys is imo, but if I was asked who the sox 5th starter is, I'd say Jon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 It's definitely Jon, although he'll be pushed up if there's an injury to El Duque or if Contreras goes back to his early Yankee form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted January 19, 2005 Author Share Posted January 19, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 10:20 PM) I consider the 5th starter to be Jon but this year it really doesn't matter. Ozzie at soxfest said that he doesn't plan on skipping starts this year so it really doesn't matter who the number 5 guys is imo, but if I was asked who the sox 5th starter is, I'd say Jon. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's something people should take into consideration for this upcoming season. In the previous seasons, the Sox would try to avoid the fifth starter days. I forgot where I read it (either the Cubune or Whitesox.com,) but Guillen said he is so confident in his bullpen, Buehrle and Garcia will pitch under 200 innings this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 10:23 PM) That's something people should take into consideration for this upcoming season. In the previous seasons, the Sox would try to avoid the fifth starter days. I forgot where I read it (either the Cubune or Whitesox.com,) but Guillen said he is so confident in his bullpen, Buehrle and Garcia will pitch under 200 innings this year. Well, that is not a good sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 10:26 PM) Well, that is not a good sign. I wonder who voted for Contreras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 10:27 PM) I wonder who voted for Contreras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 so me and qwerty were the only Contreras voters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 QUOTE(Man Of Steel @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 10:41 PM) so me and qwerty were the only Contreras voters? WoOt, one more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 11:02 PM) WoOt, one more. qwerty + man of steel = .....uhhhhhh...... i meant the head banging one.... really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 I don't consider him the 5th starter but I think it should be El Duque. He needs 5th starter rest periods or he will get hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 QUOTE(Man Of Steel @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 11:13 PM) qwerty + man of steel = .....uhhhhhh...... i meant the head banging one.... really Best. Avatar. Evar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Jan 19, 2005 -> 05:36 AM) I don't consider him the 5th starter but I think it should be El Duque. He needs 5th starter rest periods or he will get hurt. This is the real confusion -- I say Jose is the 5th starter b/c he's the least reliable. As of now, he's the last one I'd start in the playoffs. But if you mean who should get the most rest, I'd say Orlando, at least initially. I don't think there's anything contradictory in saying, El Duque is our 3rd (best) starter, but we should skip him instead of our 4th or 5th starter, when possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted January 19, 2005 Author Share Posted January 19, 2005 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Jan 19, 2005 -> 12:54 AM) This is the real confusion -- I say Jose is the 5th starter b/c he's the least reliable. As of now, he's the last one I'd start in the playoffs. But if you mean who should get the most rest, I'd say Orlando, at least initially. I don't think there's anything contradictory in saying, El Duque is our 3rd (best) starter, but we should skip him instead of our 4th or 5th starter, when possible. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How is Garland more reliable than Contreras? I don't think we should skip the fifth starter days now that we (finally) have a complete rotation. Let Mark, Freddy, Jose, and Jon get and extra day of rest by having Hernandez go 6 innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jan 19, 2005 -> 06:59 AM) How is Garland more reliable than Contreras? I don't think we should skip the fifth starter days now that we (finally) have a complete rotation. Let Mark, Freddy, Jose, and Jon get and extra day of rest by having Hernandez go 6 innings. Well, Garland was better than Contreras last year, for one thing. As good as Jose's stuff can look, he has imploded so many times that I think you have to look at him as your worst starter. As for rest, as long as El Duque stays healthy, I don't care how they use him. I just hope they're careful to ensure that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 There should be an "it doesn't matter" option to this poll. That would be my vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 If we are talking about which Sox starter will pitch the 5th game of the season, I am guessing El Dugue. I am also drinking some Garland Flavor-Aid and believing he's #3 by season end. White Sox Depth Chart Updated Today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Jan 19, 2005 -> 08:23 AM) I am also drinking some Garland Flavor-Aid and believing he's #3 by season end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Make Girland the #5 guy, without the pressure he turns around and wins 18. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 My goodness...I thought "Fifth Starter" threads were a thing of the past; for a moment there, I was kind of spooked. The obvious choice is Garland. He'll win 12 games and can compete on any given day; most teams in baseball would kill to have a guy like Garland at #5. Mr. California Cool in the five slot. EDIT: Hey, MoS, what did Knuckle do to get banned? Come to think of it, it has been Knuckle-free lately hasn't it. Banning a 4 year old...shame on you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Jan 19, 2005 -> 10:57 AM) Make Girland the #5 guy, without the pressure he turns around and wins 18. I don't think there is any more or any less pressure on Garland from #3, #4, or #5. He walks out of the dugout and takes the mound, he's got to pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted January 19, 2005 Author Share Posted January 19, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Jan 19, 2005 -> 11:45 AM) I don't think there is any more or any less pressure on Garland from #3, #4, or #5. He walks out of the dugout and takes the mound, he's got to pitch. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I can seeGarland saying at a press conference after a horrible outing "Well if you compare it to the fifth starters of the past, it's not that bad of an outing. Plus if Podsednik had a 67 inch vertical, he could have caught that grand slam in the 3rd inning." Garland should stay in the fifth starter's spot all season long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jan 19, 2005 -> 12:21 PM) I can seeGarland saying at a press conference after a horrible outing "Well if you compare it to the fifth starters of the past, it's not that bad of an outing. Plus if Podsednik had a 67 inch vertical, he could have caught that grand slam in the 3rd inning." Garland should stay in the fifth starter's spot all season long. If that means that off days cause someone to miss a start, I don't agree with that on 1/19/05. That could change, but I would rest our #3 or #4 before Garland. Which I guess by definition makes Garland a 3-4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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