Texsox Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Current Sox Depth Chart Updated Today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Jan 19, 2005 -> 08:24 AM) Current Sox Depth Chart Updated Today Where's Luis Vizcaino?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That funky motion Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Who is the Twins 5th starter? Not listed. :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 On Paper The sox look far superior. better line-up, bullpen about equal and a better rotation. Hopefully, this year our more balanced line-up will win the division + a 5th starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 19, 2005 Author Share Posted January 19, 2005 QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Jan 19, 2005 -> 08:27 AM) Where's Luis Vizcaino?? I assume they are still working on the physical, contract details, etc. Who gets bumped? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 You think the Sox will go with a 6 or 7 man bullpen? 6 man: Shingo Marte Vizcaino Hermanson Politte Cotts 7 man: Shingo Marte Vizcaino Hermanson Politte Cotts Diaz, Munoz, or Grilli? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 I really think the time it coming for Jason Grilli to be taken off the 40 man roster. He is a waste of roster space. Diaz out performed him in AAA and at least had a couple of decent starts at the major league level. Worst case scenario we designate him for assignment and he ends up in Charlotte. Best case scenario someone claims him and we no longer have to worry about KW bringing him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 I would say a 6-man bullpen... Hermanson Cotts Vizcaino Politte Marte Shingo Both Hermanson and Cotts can eat alot of innings and can even spot start if we have injuries to our rotation. Let's just hope it doesn't come to that though. Hopefully, we will have a new 2nd baseman taking up a roster spot soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 QUOTE(sircaffey @ Jan 19, 2005 -> 08:49 AM) You think the Sox will go with a 6 or 7 man bullpen? 6 man: Shingo Marte Vizcaino Hermanson Politte Cotts 7 man: Shingo Marte Vizcaino Hermanson Politte Cotts Diaz, Munoz, or Grilli? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If Grilli makes the pen it means that KW and Ozzie have suffered severe brain damage and should be taken to the hospital. It'll be Diaz, Munoz, or Adkins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 QUOTE(sircaffey @ Jan 19, 2005 -> 08:49 AM) You think the Sox will go with a 6 or 7 man bullpen? 6 man: Shingo Marte Vizcaino Hermanson Politte Cotts 7 man: Shingo Marte Vizcaino Hermanson Politte Cotts Diaz, Munoz, or Grilli? With the addition of El Duque and the fact that the Sox pen already pitched the least innings of any ML club last year, I gotta say a 6 man pen is a pretty safe bet IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 The weird off days pretty much make it a lock for the Sox to go w 6 in the pen. There isn't much to go on with W Valdez but what is there suggests he can hit LH pitching. That's Harris' biggest weakness & knowing how Ozzie was able to get Val to give up switch hitting I feel a little better about going w a Harris+Valdez tandem. Harris v RH, & Valdez v LH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Agree it will likely be a 6 man pen. Nothing wrong with competition for that last spot. They've basically announced the intended roles already: Shingo: Closer Hermanson/Marte: 8th inning, possibly close at times Viz: 7th inning Politte: 6th inning They seem to like what Cotts can do and you really do need two lefties, plus Cotts can be the long guy if necessary, i.e. a guy gets KO'd in the 2nd inning. Hermanson can do it too, depending on the situation. I can't see them carrying 12 pitchers, but could be wrong. It shortens the bench, and Ozzie wants a deep bench. Adkins should realistically have a spot, assuming a good spring, but I do not see where he fits. KW always wants a staff of 15-16 guys who can pitch in the ML due to injuries and such. If certain guys can get through unclaimed, you have guys like Grilli and Diaz and Munoz, plus Adkins, Walker the lefty, and probably a few minor league invitees. Not all of these are out of options, but I believe Adkins is and Grilli. Lots can happen ... at this point it's better to have too many bodies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 The weird off days pretty much make it a lock for the Sox to go w 6 in the pen. There isn't much to go on with W Valdez but what is there suggests he can hit LH pitching. That's Harris' biggest weakness & knowing how Ozzie was able to get Val to give up switch hitting I feel a little better about going w a Harris+Valdez tandem. Harris v RH, & Valdez v LH. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> IMO your logic is sound, but I wonder if the White Sox feel they can go for a pennant with two big question marks at 2B ... plus a talented guy at SS who's claiming the full time job for the 1st time. To be frank, I'm more excited about this Pablo Ozuna guy than Valdez, simply because he stole a bunch of bases last year. I don't know much about either player and the stats never tell the whole story. Neither appears to draw many walks. I may be wrong here, but didn't Ozzie talk about Wilson Valdez in September, saying he's got some things to work on? Something like, he might be a decent reserve soon but I'm not sure about him ever being a regular? Maybe I'm just reading into it. Point being ... they need a veteran somewhere in the mix. Appears to be their thinking, I happen to agree. But I would definitely like to see Valdez get a ton of playing time in spring. Let's see more of what this guy has. If somebody gets hurt, they'll probably need him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Jan 20, 2005 -> 02:30 AM) IMO your logic is sound, but I wonder if the White Sox feel they can go for a pennant with two big question marks at 2B ... plus a talented guy at SS who's claiming the full time job for the 1st time. To be frank, I'm more excited about this Pablo Ozuna guy than Valdez, simply because he stole a bunch of bases last year. I don't know much about either player and the stats never tell the whole story. Neither appears to draw many walks. I may be wrong here, but didn't Ozzie talk about Wilson Valdez in September, saying he's got some things to work on? Something like, he might be a decent reserve soon but I'm not sure about him ever being a regular? Maybe I'm just reading into it. Point being ... they need a veteran somewhere in the mix. Appears to be their thinking, I happen to agree. But I would definitely like to see Valdez get a ton of playing time in spring. Let's see more of what this guy has. If somebody gets hurt, they'll probably need him. The skinny on Valdez is that he's a great fielder, which is extremely important in Ozzie's book on SS's, and has a good arm and range, so he's got no major problems in the field, plus he played some 2B in September IIRC. Now the main problem with Wilson is that he never takes a walk, although he has 2 in 1 game for the Sox or Knights, which was really quite freaky. So unless he can hit above .270 in the majors, his OBP isn't likely to get past or maybe even up to the .300 mark. He has hit .300 with Charlotte and Alberquque though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 QUOTE(sircaffey @ Jan 19, 2005 -> 08:49 AM) 7 man: Shingo Marte Vizcaino Hermanson Politte Cotts Diaz, Munoz, or Grilli? If your gonna make a 7 man pen, then why in the hell isn't Adkins on there? It will be him not Diaz/Munoz/Baj/Grilli/my mother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Click on DYe name, then photos.. go to the 2nd one..When did we change our team name? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jan 19, 2005 -> 09:37 AM) The skinny on Valdez is that he's a great fielder, which is extremely important in Ozzie's book on SS's, and has a good arm and range, so he's got no major problems in the field, plus he played some 2B in September IIRC. Now the main problem with Wilson is that he never takes a walk, although he has 2 in 1 game for the Sox or Knights, which was really quite freaky. So unless he can hit above .270 in the majors, his OBP isn't likely to get past or maybe even up to the .300 mark. He has hit .300 with Charlotte and Alberquque though. That's been my major issue with Valdez all along. Ozzie wants guys who can get on base and this guy couldn't draw a walk in AAA. Has the boat sailed on Bryant Nelson? Or was he one of the invites? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDsDirtySox Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Something else to consider is with Frank probably going to be on the DL for a couple of months, that opens up an extra spot which I think will go to Burke. The final roster spot most likely comes down to Diaz or Adkins (as a 7th pitcher), or Burke (as a Righty off the bench who can C, 3B, 1B, Corner OF). Which would you rather have as your 25th man? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 It's too bad Adkins isn't a lefty, he was better than Cotts last season. EDIT: Jesus Christ, I just noticed Cotts' ERA by month. April: .90 May: 7.00 June: 8.68 July: 9.45 August: 2.30 September: 7.98 :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 I really like the moves KW made this off-season, especially with the pitching... but looking at that chart, he really needs to get some sort of IF... it doesn't have to be Iguchi, but something... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Ahh, you can never have enough poor, slow defensive rightfielders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 19, 2005 Author Share Posted January 19, 2005 QUOTE(Hall of Famer @ Jan 19, 2005 -> 05:51 PM) Ahh, you can never have enough poor, slow defensive rightfielders. Right field race? Forget the stop watch, being a calendar. It looks like a couple guys are going to be logging some serious sub time if things do not change. Like most teams, we are thin in spots. A couple injuries and it's 2004 Part 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Jan 19, 2005 -> 05:55 PM) Right field race? Forget the stop watch, being a calendar. It looks like a couple guys are going to be logging some serious sub time if things do not change. Like most teams, we are thin in spots. A couple injuries and it's 2004 Part 2 When Frank comes back I actually think the bench is pretty deep. Carl will essentially become a bench player even though I'm sure he'll get a decent amount of playing time, you also have ross who a lot of us thought could have been a starter this year and Timo who has been a starter before. Backing up aj we have ben and jamie which isn't that bad either, neither of them are great but both could probably step in and atleast hold the position down. Right now the obvious missing link is a utility guy who can give juan and willie breaks, I'm sure we'll pick a utility man up cause that seems like something kenny is really set on but as of right now I don't think the team is that thin besides the middle infield slots, jmo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 I agree that depth wise we're not as bad as 2004. When Maggs went down the team was still competitive with Gload, Timo, etc. taking over RF. But when Frank went down the team tanked badly. They were 5+ gms under 500 in Jul & Aug. Uggh. This year if Dye goes down we still have Gload+Timo so we can survive. Plus we have a healthy Everett. So we can even absorb a loss of Rowand or Pods. Since Thomas will be starting late it's unlikely he'll go down. At least that's been his career history when coming off an injury. The stuff coming out on Pablo Ozuna is great to read. If he continues that in ST he's got a decent shot at winning both a bench spot & possibly 2B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 http://sports-boards.net/forums/showthread.php?t=19677 This thread's got some funny spite in it. BTW the Phils payroll? 95M If Polanco indeed is going to be a salary dump then KW is right to sit pat. Being able to get Polanco w/out giving up Marte or Garland would be better than any other options out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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