DBAHO Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 QUOTE(JoshPR @ Jan 22, 2005 -> 08:51 AM) I will take Castillo over Iguchi THANK YOU VERY MUCH Would you sacrifice Marte And / or Harris + Cotts + a prospect, just to do that though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jan 21, 2005 -> 10:26 PM) Beck, Levine said that earlier report of the Sox being $600,000 apart from Icughi was BS. His agent was looking for "Matsui" money the entire time, but now he might have to settle for "Matt Suey" money. Now that's clever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jan 22, 2005 -> 02:03 AM) Would you sacrifice Marte And / or Harris + Cotts + a prospect, just to do that though? That is exactly the argument Is Iguchi and Marte > Castillo? Or is Iguchi, Harris, and Cotts > Castillo? Answer, IMO, to both questions is yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted January 22, 2005 Author Share Posted January 22, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jan 21, 2005 -> 10:26 PM) Beck, Levine said that earlier report of the Sox being $600,000 apart from Icughi was BS. His agent was looking for "Matsui" money the entire time, but now he might have to settle for "Matt Suey" money. If the new report is that Iguchi's agent has countered w/ a 2 yr $6 mill deal, then the money has been about 500k-600k apart My main point is that the sox have prob. been looking to upgrade at 2b w/ guys better than Iguchi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted January 22, 2005 Author Share Posted January 22, 2005 One thing missing in all this Iguchi love is the fact that the sox haven't seen him play in person. KW said they only saw him on tape. With no other teams bidding on this "impact player", KW might be drinking his own koolaid [finding a hidden gem other teams passed on, ala Loaiza, Uribe, Shingo] on this one. At least with these other success stories, the sox had scouts and people to see them play in person. Don't get me wrong, it sounds like 2003-2004 Iguchi could help the sox. Yet to say he's better than a proven MLB player like Luis Castillo, that's unfair to both Iguchi and Castillo. Iguchi shouldn't be held to that high of a standard. And it cheapens Castillo's accomplishments, who's been able to hit .300, steal 20+ multiple times, have a high OBP and win 2 gold gloves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 One thing missing in all this Iguchi love is the fact that the sox haven't seen him play in person. KW said they only saw him on tape. With no other teams bidding on this "impact player", KW might be drinking his own koolaid [finding a hidden gem other teams passed on, ala Loaiza, Uribe, Shingo] on this one. At least with these other success stories, the sox had scouts and people to see them play in person. Don't get me wrong, it sounds like 2003-2004 Iguchi could help the sox. Yet to say he's better than a proven MLB player like Luis Castillo, that's unfair to both Iguchi and Castillo. Iguchi shouldn't be held to that high of a standard. And it cheapens Castillo's accomplishments, who's been able to hit .300, steal 20+ multiple times, have a high OBP and win 2 gold gloves. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No doubt Castillo is a better, more proven commodity than Iguchi. If the Sox are interested in Castillo, things may have cooled off now that Florida ownership stated they wouldn't move a high salaried impact player if they get Delgado. It's possible. If the Sox ink Iguchi, which I believe they will, there may be another addition. It may not come right away ... maybe even June or July. The middle infield would be awfully inexperienced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted January 22, 2005 Author Share Posted January 22, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Jan 22, 2005 -> 03:07 PM) If the Sox ink Iguchi, which I believe they will, there may be another addition. It may not come right away ... maybe even June or July. The middle infield would be awfully inexperienced. That's the problem. Even w/ Iguchi, the middle IF will be inexperienced. I could see a trade deadline deal esp, if Willie's talking more than getting results and Iguchi is putting up Willie type numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 I think some of you need to stop drinking Castillo cool-aid. Yes he's an all-star, but he's never cracked the top 40 offensively in the NL. So I call that a borderline all-star at best. Money-wise the Sox are looking at a commitment of Iguchi for 2 yrs for about the avg price of Castillo for 1 yr over his 3 yr deal. The Sox scouts obviously think Iguchi can play more than some of you do so from the perspective of the Sox mind's at work here this is a no-brainer. Iguchi all the way. Marketing-wise it makes much more sense. Consider the best case scenario's: Iguchi has an all-star season vs Castillo having an all-star season. Which is going to grab more buzz & generate more sales? Iguchi. The Sox still need a UIF but there are bound to be some available throughout ST & before the season starts when teams have to cut from 40 to 25. I think the Sox will be in a better position than most other teams to sign the pick of the litter from that crop. Assuming of course Ozuna & Valdez don't show us even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 I would much rather have Castillo then Iguchi because when Pods fails in the leadoff spot (...and sadly he will) then the team won't totally collapse. Some of you seem to think Iguchi is just going to pick up a bat and be a lock to hit .300 his first year. Remember our leadoff hitter had an OBP of .313 last year. Castillo is insurance for more then just the infield. I'm much rather have Castillo then Marte and i'd much rather the Sox spent the cash and got the proven comodity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSFAN35 Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jan 23, 2005 -> 12:25 PM) I think some of you need to stop drinking Castillo cool-aid. Yes he's an all-star, but he's never cracked the top 40 offensively in the NL. So I call that a borderline all-star at best. Money-wise the Sox are looking at a commitment of Iguchi for 2 yrs for about the avg price of Castillo for 1 yr over his 3 yr deal. The Sox scouts obviously think Iguchi can play more than some of you do so from the perspective of the Sox mind's at work here this is a no-brainer. Iguchi all the way. Marketing-wise it makes much more sense. Consider the best case scenario's: Iguchi has an all-star season vs Castillo having an all-star season. Which is going to grab more buzz & generate more sales? Iguchi. The Sox still need a UIF but there are bound to be some available throughout ST & before the season starts when teams have to cut from 40 to 25. I think the Sox will be in a better position than most other teams to sign the pick of the litter from that crop. Assuming of course Ozuna & Valdez don't show us even more. You need to stop drinking that Iguchi kool-aid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 Let's make a signature bet. Your dream boy Castillo ranked 58th in the NL in RPG in 04. I will bet you that Iguchi will beat Castillo's ranking in 05. Assuming the Sox sign Iggy, if I win all of you have to update your signatures attesting to the fact that you lost this bet. If you win I will do the same. Statistically Iguchi beats Castillo in every category. Feel free to look it up. The only argument is that Castillo did it in the NL & Iguchi did it in Japan. So let's think about this. In Japan Iguchi probably ranks in the top 10 in RPG in the PL. I doubt very much he's going to fall from top 10 to bottom 50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSFAN35 Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jan 23, 2005 -> 12:51 PM) Let's make a signature bet. Your dream boy Castillo ranked 58th in the NL in RPG in 04. I will bet you that Iguchi will beat Castillo's ranking in 05. Assuming the Sox sign Iggy, if I win all of you have to update your signatures attesting to the fact that you lost this bet. If you win I will do the same. Statistically Iguchi beats Castillo in every category. Feel free to look it up. The only argument is that Castillo did it in the NL & Iguchi did it in Japan. So let's think about this. In Japan Iguchi probably ranks in the top 10 in RPG in the PL. I doubt very much he's going to fall from top 10 to bottom 50. Iguchi is more of a power hitter, Castillo is all contact. You can't compare the two in RPG. Stats are your answer for everything, but your answers are often incomplete. Castillo will have a far better average and obp, and will be a better fit for this ballclub. He will have a greater impact than Iguchi. EDIT: See Jeckle's post. If pods fails, who's gonna lead off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 Iguchi's splits: Versus Year PA AB H 2B 3B HR TB SH SF SO BB HBP GIDP CI AVG OBP SLG Left 2002 129 114 31 5 0 5 51 1 2 23 10 2 2 \N 0.272 0.336 0.447 Left 2003 132 105 32 6 0 6 56 0 1 16 25 1 2 \N 0.305 0.439 0.533 Left 2004 127 116 33 7 0 3 49 0 2 24 9 0 2 \N 0.284 0.331 0.422 Right 2002 343 314 80 9 1 13 130 4 0 61 17 8 6 \N 0.255 0.31 0.414 Right 2003 485 410 143 31 1 21 239 1 5 65 56 13 8 \N 0.349 0.438 0.583 Right 2004 447 394 137 27 2 21 231 0 6 66 38 9 12 \N 0.348 0.412 0.586 Castillo's NL splits: vs. L .308 .369 .448 .817, vs R .285 .374 .314 .687 I'm giving up 2% in OBP for a 10-20% gain in SLG. If Pods fails (and that's a big IF) I move Rowand to lead off. Rowand's AL splits: vs. L .302 .371 .575 .947, vs. R .315 .355 .526 .881 It's a big IF because if you look at his batter vs pitcher splits he's obvious something changed in his approach in 04. We have one of the best hitting coaches there is & he will benefit from the Cell. So there's a greater probability that he will have a better year in 05 than 04. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSFAN35 Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jan 23, 2005 -> 01:45 PM) Iguchi's splits: Versus Year PA AB H 2B 3B HR TB SH SF SO BB HBP GIDP CI AVG OBP SLG Left 2002 129 114 31 5 0 5 51 1 2 23 10 2 2 \N 0.272 0.336 0.447 Left 2003 132 105 32 6 0 6 56 0 1 16 25 1 2 \N 0.305 0.439 0.533 Left 2004 127 116 33 7 0 3 49 0 2 24 9 0 2 \N 0.284 0.331 0.422 Right 2002 343 314 80 9 1 13 130 4 0 61 17 8 6 \N 0.255 0.31 0.414 Right 2003 485 410 143 31 1 21 239 1 5 65 56 13 8 \N 0.349 0.438 0.583 Right 2004 447 394 137 27 2 21 231 0 6 66 38 9 12 \N 0.348 0.412 0.586 Castillo's NL splits: vs. L .308 .369 .448 .817, vs R .285 .374 .314 .687 I'm giving up 2% in OBP for a 10-20% gain in SLG. If Pods fails (and that's a big IF) I move Rowand to lead off. Rowand's AL splits: vs. L .302 .371 .575 .947, vs. R .315 .355 .526 .881 It's a big IF because if you look at his batter vs pitcher splits he's obvious something changed in his approach in 04. We have one of the best hitting coaches there is & he will benefit from the Cell. So there's a greater probability that he will have a better year in 05 than 04. You can't compare Iguchi's numbers with Castillo's because they play in two different levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 You can't compare Iguchi's numbers with Castillo's because they play in two different levels. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Now that Iggy's been signed we shall see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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