Chisoxmatt Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jan 23, 2005 -> 07:37 PM) I go strictly by FG% because the PPG could come from O-Reb, and FT, and because the Bulls are #1 in FG%. Opp. FG% shows that you're forcing them to take tough shots and not giving them any open looks. I guess it could go either way for #1 defensively. I was thinking of it like if the bulls played the spurs, going by the stats, the spurs would win 91-86. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxmatt @ Jan 23, 2005 -> 07:41 PM) I guess it could go either way for #1 defensively. I was thinking of it like if the bulls played the spurs, going by the stats, the spurs would win 91-86. That sounds about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxmatt @ Jan 23, 2005 -> 07:41 PM) I guess it could go either way for #1 defensively. I was thinking of it like if the bulls played the spurs, going by the stats, the spurs would win 91-86. PPG is very subjective. As was pointed out, that could be altered by great defensive rebounding, not allowing second chances, or it could be something not at all a result of the defense, and that is how long the offense holds the ball. A team that works the shot clock into the red everytime they have the ball is going to compress the game, and create a lot less posessions, which means a lot less chances to score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 24, 2005 -> 09:37 AM) PPG is very subjective. As was pointed out, that could be altered by great defensive rebounding, not allowing second chances, or it could be something not at all a result of the defense, and that is how long the offense holds the ball. A team that works the shot clock into the red everytime they have the ball is going to compress the game, and create a lot less posessions, which means a lot less chances to score. Which is why I and a lot of other NBA watchers and anylists go by opp. FG% because it shows you're not giving the opponents open looks at the basket, that you're contesting every shot which is what defense is all about. Staying on your man and containing, give him nothing easy and make him work for every damn shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Entering the season, I'd have laughed at any talk of playoffs. The way they play now, with the focus on defense, I think they have a legit shot at the playoffs, and not just the 8th spot, EITHER ( not "wither", they WILL NOT wither!! ). Who'da thunk it??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 QUOTE(The Critic @ Jan 24, 2005 -> 02:08 PM) Entering the season, I'd have laughed at any talk of playoffs. The way they play now, with the focus on defense, I think they have a legit shot at the playoffs, and not just the 8th spot, wither. Who'da thunk it??? I just get gitty thinking about the Bulls, it's just f***ing amazing that they are this good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jan 24, 2005 -> 01:10 AM) Hell defense wins Championships and stat wise the Bulls are the #1 defensive team in the NBA, enough said. Holy s***, I wasn't ready for that. OPPONENTS PPG 1. San Antonio 85.76 2. Detroit 89.77 3. Memphis 90.66 4. Houston 91.07 5. Chicago 91.21 OPPONENTS FG% 1. Chicago .410 2. San Antonio .414 3. Houston .423 4. Memphis .424 5. Miami .429 OPPONENTS 3PT% 1. Dallas .308 2. Phoenix .322 3. Orlando .329 4. Milwaukee .330 5. Seattle .334 (6. Chicago .336) OPPONENTS ASSISTS PER GAME 1. San Antonio 15.93 2. Utah 19.31 3. Detroit 19.35 4. Memphis 19.52 5. New Jersey 19.85 (14. Chicago 20.86) OPPONENTS REBOUNDS PER GAME 1. Utah 37.33 2. Seattle 37.48 3. Detroit 38.82 4. San Antonio 39.23 5. Cleveland 39.43 (19. Chicago 42.39) REBOUNDING DIFFERENTIAL 1. Detroit +3.85 2. Utah +3.38 3. San Antonio +3.30 4. Minnesota +2.92 5. Cleveland +2.66 (12. Chicago +1.02) BLOCKS PER GAME 1. San Antonio 6.53 2. Memphis 6.47 3. Detroit 6.17 4. Miami 5.95 5. Phoenix 5.66 (18. Chicago 4.89) STEALS PER GAME 1. Washington 9.05 2. Philadelphia 8.69 3. Dallas 8.64 4. Denver 8.55 5. Charlotte 8.51 (23. Chicago 7.00) TURNOVERS FORCED PER GAME 1. Memphis 14.54 2. Dallas 14.20 3. Denver 14.00 4. San Antonio 13.87 5. Cleveland 13.84 (18. Chicago 11.89) OVERALL OPPONENTS TURNOVERS PER GAME 1. Philadelphia 17.00 2. Washington 16.66 3. Charlotte 16.48 4. Denver 16.20 5. Chicago 16.13 FOULS COMMITTED PER GAME 1. Phoenix 18.85 2. Sacramento 20.41 3. San Antonio 20.48 4. Portland 21.12 5. Detroit 21.27 (27. Chicago 24.73) There are so many other things to look at as well, including strength of schedule, rise/peak/fall trends, injuries or suspensions, tempo, etc. Ya can't just look at OPPONENTS FG% and call it a day. The Bulls are the #1 defensive team in the league? When did Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman get back? I must have missed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 honestly i didnt vote, because theres a lot of good teams we haven't yet played like the spurs sonics lakers w/kobe mavericks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 id have to see us against more of the western conference to tell if we are good enough to make the playoffs, we do have talent though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 that doesnt really make sense. We arent a western conference playoff team we are an eastern conference playoff team. Regardless of how bad we do against west teams we can still be good enough to go the playoffs in the East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 I wasn't entirely serious when I called them the best defensive team in the league, it was more of a black and red kool-aid thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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