AngelasDaddy0427 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jan 24, 2005 -> 03:37 PM) How did I know Jeckle was going to pissed off about Willie losing playing time? :rolly I'd bet you would lower his grade even more if next week he traded Garland for a better starting pitcher. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Did you read what I said... I lowered his grade because he hasn't gotten rid of Willie fast enough. Like I've been saying for the last two weeks he hurts us on the bench because he has no versatility. I want him gone ASAP now that a replacement has been brought in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jan 24, 2005 -> 03:45 PM) Did you read what I said... I lowered his grade because he hasn't gotten rid of Willie fast enough. Like I've been saying for the last two weeks he hurts us on the bench because he has no versatility. I want him gone ASAP now that a replacement has been brought in. What the hell does it matter how fast he gets rid of willie?? It's called patience, kenny has to make one more move to get a veteran who can play short and then we'll see what happens with willie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 I am viewing all of this with guarded optimism. The 2003 team, I felt was the best in baseball. Since then I am know we have changed philosophy and team make-up. Both of these things I like. The problem there are a-lot of pieces that we are nto sure of. It will take these key pieces to dtermine our fate. Staying Healthy - Rotation, the lose of one guy is major. Also Dye, Everett, and Thomas. Attitutde - Is the clubhouse mood downgraded by Pierz and Harris? Loss of Lee and Ordonez a positive or negative? MANY MANY foreign players with vast background (2 Japanese, 2 Cubans, Various latino.) Production - Questions marks abound for Contrearas, Hernandez, Shingo, Vizcaino, Hermanson, Crede, Uribe, Pods, new 2B, Rowand, Politte, and Adkins/Cotts. The only sure things we have are Garcia, Buerhle, Marte, Garland and Konerko. I am optimistic and I like the intent the results are a whole other animal. we shall see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jan 24, 2005 -> 03:47 PM) What the hell does it matter how fast he gets rid of willie?? It's called patience, kenny has to make one more move to get a veteran who can play short and then we'll see what happens with willie. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah really. Is Willie's trade value at a all-time high? Does the trade deadline end in 5 minutes or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehard chisox 1427 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 I am completely pleased with the offseason that Kenny Williams had. I would give him either an A- or a B+ and I think that I would give him a solid A if our pitching staff is effective and healthy. And as far as moving Willie, that would be a good move and I read last week that Jerry wanted Tony G back - there is our UIF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 QUOTE(diehard chisox 1427 @ Jan 24, 2005 -> 10:08 PM) I am completely pleased with the offseason that Kenny Williams had. I would give him either an A- or a B+ and I think that I would give him a solid A if our pitching staff is effective and healthy. And as far as moving Willie, that would be a good move and I read last week that Jerry wanted Tony G back - there is our UIF. The Royals aren't going to trade within the division. Even for UIF. Unless Tony G is released, we aren't getting him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 He definitely gets an A. Any player still on the roster in 05 that was had from a trade in 04 has to be considered in his 05 off-season trade. Additions: Garcia, Contreras, AJP, Davis, Uribe, Hermanson, Vizc, Pods, EL-D, Dye, & Kaitou (Iggy) Subtractions: ELO, Schow, MJ, Valentin, CLee, Maggs, Olivo, Alomar, Cotts, Diaz, Miles, Rauch I think that's everybody. You have to be insane not to give him an A. He greatly improve the pitching, somewhat improved the D, & all it cost him was about 21 runs , 18 rbi from the offense. With respect to that deficit of 21 runs & 18 rbi keep in mind that does not take into consider impact of chemistry in the lineup. The Sox have a lineup that can now feature two waves of speed & power every time. Very few teams have that capability! I'll go out on a limb right now & say that if the Sox remain healthier in 05 than they were in 04 they will exceed 04 in runs & rbi. I don't think any one here would suggest they will not perform substantially better in 04 in terms of runs & rbi against. KW's off-season? We are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Why do you have Cotts and Diaz as subtractions? Did I miss something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Why do you have Cotts and Diaz as subtractions? Did I miss something? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> With the addition of Hermanson, & Vizc they drop out of the 25 man roster. Adds & Subtracts only apply the the ML team. I guess you could put Grili & Munoz in the subtractions to then. But don't go so far as to add the Sept callups. There's another reason to give KW as well. He pushed the Sox to their highest payroll ever. That alone is worth an A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jan 24, 2005 -> 06:02 PM) With the addition of Hermanson, & Vizc they drop out of the 25 man roster. Adds & Subtracts only apply the the ML team. I guess you could put Grili & Munoz in the subtractions to then. But don't go so far as to add the Sept callups. There's another reason to give KW as well. He pushed the Sox to their highest payroll ever. That alone is worth an A You forgot Jurassic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 QUOTE(HSC's Biggest Fan @ Jan 24, 2005 -> 09:55 PM) I am viewing all of this with guarded optimism. The 2003 team, I felt was the best in baseball. Since then I am know we have changed philosophy and team make-up. Both of these things I like. The problem there are a-lot of pieces that we are nto sure of. It will take these key pieces to dtermine our fate. Staying Healthy - Rotation, the lose of one guy is major. Also Dye, Everett, and Thomas. Attitutde - Is the clubhouse mood downgraded by Pierz and Harris? Loss of Lee and Ordonez a positive or negative? MANY MANY foreign players with vast background (2 Japanese, 2 Cubans, Various latino.) Production - Questions marks abound for Contrearas, Hernandez, Shingo, Vizcaino, Hermanson, Crede, Uribe, Pods, new 2B, Rowand, Politte, and Adkins/Cotts. The only sure things we have are Garcia, Buerhle, Marte, Garland and Konerko. I am optimistic and I like the intent the results are a whole other animal. we shall see. i couldn't have said it better. grade = A ..... for effort and unlike others i am still questioning some holes that i am not too sure we have covered and last i question the value of the return of a trade he made with lee (what happens if spod doesn't regain his form and lee has a great yr). holes = sp, rp, 3b ( is crede ever going to get his act together). i hope that rowand and shingo are not 1 yr wonders. i love the pickup of aj and the new asian 2b. gutsy move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 QUOTE(LDF @ Jan 25, 2005 -> 04:44 AM) i couldn't have said it better. grade = A ..... for effort and unlike others i am still questioning some holes that i am not too sure we have covered and last i question the value of the return of a trade he made with lee (what happens if spod doesn't regain his form and lee has a great yr). holes = sp, rp, 3b ( is crede ever going to get his act together). i hope that rowand and shingo are not 1 yr wonders. i love the pickup of aj and the new asian 2b. gutsy move. I agree with everything else you said instead of a reliever. I mean sure we could always upgrade but we will be fine with who we have. At this point in time that is far from a hole. I would say that is one of our strong points. Not gonna be as good as some people think but definitely solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 KW gets a B-, Millwood over OH would of been a B+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jan 24, 2005 -> 08:30 PM) IMO yes. Until he shows that he has a plan to get Willie off the roster (since he hurts us being on the bench). Does he hurt us to the point that KW deserves a C- for the entire offseason? IYO yes, in reality, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 I would hate to see the grade Jeckle would give KW IF he traded the "Great" Garland this year too even if it were for an upgrade.... :banghead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 QUOTE(EvilJester99 @ Jan 25, 2005 -> 07:10 AM) I would hate to see the grade Jeckle would give KW IF he traded the "Great" Garland this year too even if it were for an upgrade.... :banghead I don't think Garland's great, by any means. But, I feel trading him would probably be a mistake in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Yeah maybe it would be a mistake but it could also not be...can't always worry about what may be because it just might never be as well...hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 QUOTE(EvilJester99 @ Jan 25, 2005 -> 07:14 AM) Yeah maybe it would be a mistake but it could also not be...can't always worry about what may be because it just might never be as well...hehe Whatever. Here's my opinion on it. If Garland is traded, Sox fans would regret it. Somewhere down the line, KW would be called a moron for having traded Garland. And that will be coming from a majority, not just me and Jeckle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 IMO harris stays and we gain another IN to play SS reason being, Harris can play both OF and IN.. Which is a good thing, it means that Joe Bochard is on his way back down to the Knights or could be traded, for a Minor RP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raff Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 there is no reason to trade willie. he is not making much, nor does his speed hurt us. its not like he is a big salary. i bet at least 10 teams have inquired about him since yesterday. jeckle, you are not real bright if you are serious. have patience my friend. a backup middle infielder is not as important as say, starting 2nd baseman or starting catcher. i give kenny an A. you cant give him anything less than a B+ as i see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 25, 2005 -> 07:13 AM) I don't think Garland's great, by any means. But, I feel trading him would probably be a mistake in the long run. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> We control his rights until the end of 2006. How is 2 more years "the long run?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 QUOTE(EvilJester99 @ Jan 25, 2005 -> 07:10 AM) I would hate to see the grade Jeckle would give KW IF he traded the "Great" Garland this year too even if it were for an upgrade.... :banghead <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Had we traded him and Konerko for Jason Kendall and Kip Wells I would have loved that deal and supported it. Had he traded him for Randy Johnson and crippled the payroll and stopped making moves I think I would of vomited all over my keyboard. I have no problem with trading Garland and long as it's for fair value. If Kris Benson can garner all that value and not even be able to sniff Garlands jock talent wise then no way should we give him up for peanuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jan 25, 2005 -> 05:05 AM) Not gonna be as good as some people think but definitely solid. Or maybe they'll be better then you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jan 25, 2005 -> 04:21 PM) Or maybe they'll be better then you think. Nah, i don't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jan 25, 2005 -> 04:25 PM) Nah, i don't think so. I think you're gonna be wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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