BaseballNick Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jan 25, 2005 -> 08:11 PM) The problem is it leaves us with NO LONG MAN! Not to mention Marte being the only lefty. Like I said no thanks. Plus too much mystery surrounding his poor mom. Hermanson can probably be that guy...maybe Cotts or Adkins too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannerfan Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jan 25, 2005 -> 09:04 PM) I just don't think we need any more pen arms. UIF or bust! Yes, Yes, Yes, I agree. Don't trade Harris for someone we don't need. Get an infielder, maybe even a decent 3rd baseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 If Kenny can get more than a couple good to top prospects for Harris at this point I would be surprised. But then again, Kenny has been surprising me all winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 QUOTE(Tannerfan @ Jan 25, 2005 -> 09:00 PM) Yes, Yes, Yes, I agree. Don't trade Harris for someone we don't need. Get an infielder, maybe even a decent 3rd baseman. You can never have too many arms...A pen with 6 quality/reliable pitchers would be an amazing benefit...Question is, would Urbina over Cotts help us more than Harris over Valdez/Ozuna or a veteran MIF? I say yes, but it is debatable... As far as cash is concerned, if JR is willing to spend a little more, then we shouldn't argue because we have filled all of our "needs" already...Now we are just looking for overall improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannerfan Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 QUOTE(sircaffey @ Jan 25, 2005 -> 10:19 PM) You can never have too many arms...A pen with 6 quality/reliable pitchers would be an amazing benefit...Question is, would Urbina over Cotts help us more than Harris over Valdez/Ozuna or a veteran MIF? I say yes, but it is debatable... As far as cash is concerned, if JR is willing to spend a little more, then we shouldn't argue because we have filled all of our "needs" already...Now we are just looking for overall improvement. I agree about always needing more pitching but as we speak, our bullpen is good and our backup infield is non-exsistent. Plus Crede is not the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 QUOTE(Tannerfan @ Jan 25, 2005 -> 09:35 PM) I agree about always needing more pitching but as we speak, our bullpen is good and our backup infield is non-exsistent. Plus Crede is not the guy. Crede is and will be the guy next season whether people like it or not... Our bullpen could be great...Something I would much rather have then just a decent backup 2B/pinch runner... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannerfan Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 QUOTE(sircaffey @ Jan 25, 2005 -> 10:37 PM) Crede is and will be the guy next season whether people like it or not... Our bullpen could be great...Something I would much rather have then just a decent backup 2B/pinch runner... Do you mean Crede is going to break out, or that we're just stuck with him? And we're not talking about a backup 2b/pinch runner, we're talking about a major league veteran who can play both ss and 2b. Uribe can't play every game and Iguchi can't either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 Just say 'NO' to Urbina. Not worth it, especially for the money. Last year he was almost as wild as Koch. Urbina alone cost me first in my fantasy league with all his walks and blown saves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jan 25, 2005 -> 08:11 PM) The problem is it leaves us with NO LONG MAN! Not to mention Marte being the only lefty. Like I said no thanks. Plus too much mystery surrounding his poor mom. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The only time we'll need a long man is when Hernandez throws 100 pitches by the 6th inning, or if Contreras and Garland s*** their pants during their starts. I know Ozzie wants to cut down on the number of innings Garcia and Buehrle throw, but if they have been able to handle a lot the past 4 seasons, why not in 2005? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlackSox8 Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 the team is really good right now...let's wait until the season to start judging where the weak points are. there is always the trade deadline, and there is always someone the Sox can get during the deadline....patience with the team. But i have no patience to see them play....can't wait til opening day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 I'd like to give Harris a few ops as SS in ST before we give up on him. I'm sure there will be some split squad games & I'd like the Sox to see if he could be an adequate SS. I'm just looking for him to give Uribe a spell now & then. If Harris could prove to be a reasonable option at SS then I think his stock improves greatly with the Sox. He has decent numbers against RHers & when you're looking at him as a bench player you can make use of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlackSox8 Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jan 25, 2005 -> 11:30 PM) I'd like to give Harris a few ops as SS in ST before we give up on him. I'm sure there will be some split squad games & I'd like the Sox to see if he could be an adequate SS. I'm just looking for him to give Uribe a spell now & then. If Harris could prove to be a reasonable option at SS then I think his stock improves greatly with the Sox. He has decent numbers against RHers & when you're looking at him as a bench player you can make use of that. That is what I was thinking too.....you could even send him down for a couple weeks to the minors as a SS. See what he does with that situation. All is not lost on Harris yet.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 Willie would have a worse short stop arm than eckstein and that's not very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlackSox8 Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jan 25, 2005 -> 11:35 PM) Willie would have a worse short stop arm than eckstein and that's not very good. And that's what i'd be worried about...But he can still try it to see how he fits...That is just a suggestion by a member on a message board...it probably won't happen though. Mainly for your reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 Honestly guys, all this talk about Willie Harris should cease and desist. he just does not have the arm to play there. As an emergency fill in until someone can be called up from the minors, maybe. But nothing more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jan 26, 2005 -> 05:30 AM) I'd like to give Harris a few ops as SS in ST before we give up on him. I'm sure there will be some split squad games & I'd like the Sox to see if he could be an adequate SS. I'm just looking for him to give Uribe a spell now & then. If Harris could prove to be a reasonable option at SS then I think his stock improves greatly with the Sox. He has decent numbers against RHers & when you're looking at him as a bench player you can make use of that. This isn't little league we're talking about. Willie can't learn to play SS in the major leagues in a few weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjm676 Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 This is the kind of trade the Sox pull off at the trade deadline - after the Tigers are out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 I'm not talking about just Urbina, if the opportunity arises to trade Harris for a quality pen arm, then we should take it. Signing a veteran MIF wouldn't be tough or expensive. I believe Aurillia just signed a minor league deal with someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSFAN35 Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 QUOTE(beck72 @ Jan 26, 2005 -> 05:15 AM) This isn't little league we're talking about. Willie can't learn to play SS in the major leagues in a few weeks Willie's a major league ballplayer and a pro athlete, it's not like he doesn't have the physical tools to play there (well besides his arm). They should give him a shot in spring training, what have we got to lose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 If the White Sox thought Willie could play SS even for limited stretches, we would have seen him there by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 I just don't think Urbina is worth the price. He is going to make $4 million in 2005 and seems to only pitch well in the N.L. I don't see how we can add that payroll. Although, I would have no problem dumping Willie for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSFAN35 Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 Why not keep Willie and sign Jeff Nelson to a much cheaper, minor-league deal. I'd rather have him that Urbina anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 Why not keep Willie and sign Jeff Nelson to a much cheaper, minor-league deal. I'd rather have him that Urbina anyways. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Maybe the Sox want a fallback plan at closer incase Shingo falters? Ozzie's relationship with Urbina also must play a role in this rumor. Plus the fact that he doesn't seem to like Willie very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 QUOTE(WSFAN35 @ Jan 26, 2005 -> 04:43 PM) Willie's a major league ballplayer and a pro athlete, it's not like he doesn't have the physical tools to play there (well besides his arm). They should give him a shot in spring training, what have we got to lose? Has Willie played any SS in the minors? High school? Babe Ruth? 2B and SS are two distinctly different positions. Just because he can play doesn't mean he can play the other. Willie came up playing CF and 2B in the minors. We now know he can't play CF except in an emergency basis. Now people expect him to play SS in the majors?! Besides his weak arm, his poor footwork, and his not having played the position before, he'd be a great candidate for SS. Wilson Valdez runs rings around Harris at SS. If Harris can't play SS better than him, there is no need to have this conversation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 Has Willie played any SS in the minors? High school? Babe Ruth? 2B and SS are two distinctly different positions. Just because he can play doesn't mean he can play the other. Willie came up playing CF and 2B in the minors. We now know he can't play CF except in an emergency basis. Now people expect him to play SS in the majors?! Besides his weak arm, his poor footwork, and his not having played the position before, he'd be a great candidate for SS. Wilson Valdez runs rings around Harris at SS. If Harris can't play SS better than him, there is no need to have this conversation <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think the only reason Willie can't play SS is because of his arm. He has the glove and the range but a noodle arm. Unless he starts injecting roids into his right bicep from now until opening day, Willie has no hope of playing SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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