Melissa1334 Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 what is franks contract status exactly? im hopeing hes a FA after this season so we can resign PK. -Or that they can sort something out. the sox cant afford to pay fank 10 mil a yr. what u can get for that 10 mil...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 I would disagree with oyu on this. I'd much rather have the Hurt than Konerko. Frank is one of the bet hitters to ever play the game, still can hit at a high level, and deserves to finish his career where it started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox91403 Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Jan 29, 2005 -> 08:37 PM) I would disagree with oyu on this. I'd much rather have the Hurt than Konerko. Frank is one of the bet hitters to ever play the game, still can hit at a high level, and deserves to finish his career where it started. Amen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 I would disagree with oyu on this. I'd much rather have the Hurt than Konerko. Frank is one of the bet hitters to ever play the game, still can hit at a high level, and deserves to finish his career where it started. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Here is a side note.. this is 2005 not 1995. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox91403 Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Jan 29, 2005 -> 08:45 PM) Here is a side note.. this is 2005 not 1995. I don't care what year it is, his batting average is down, but he is still capable of putting this team on his back and carrying them. PS- where are you guys getting the flags with the teams on them in your sigs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 QUOTE(whitesox91403 @ Jan 29, 2005 -> 08:47 PM) I don't care what year it is, his batting average is down, but he is still capable of putting this team on his back and carrying them. PS- where are you guys getting the flags with the teams on them in your sigs? http://ideaspot.net/mlb/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Frank Thomas: 3 year worth 22.5M- makes 5M in 2003, has 6M player option for 2004, which was EXERCISED and has dual option for 2005: 8M Player or 11M Team Option and in 2006 has dual option: 10M player and 12M Team or 3.5M buyout- 2M in bonuses for a top 10 MVP finish- 2005 Player option worth 8M was EXERCISED on 10/28/04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox91403 Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jan 29, 2005 -> 08:49 PM) http://ideaspot.net/mlb/ Thank-you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinnesotaSoxFan Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 I love them... It's the latest Soxtalk fad... Last fad was the fan clubs in sigs, now it is the waving flags... The first person to have a waving flag in their sig has to be Qwerty, if I reckon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 So basically Thomas is almost a lock to be back next season, as he'll probably pick up his $10 million option, as he won't get that figure from another team, unless he has a really good season, which won't happen considering he might not be back until June. Otherwise the Sox can pick up the team option, or buy him out, and let Gload into the lineup everyday, or resign Jurassic Carl to be the DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthSideScraper Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Jan 29, 2005 -> 08:37 PM) I would disagree with oyu on this. I'd much rather have the Hurt than Konerko. Frank is one of the bet hitters to ever play the game, still can hit at a high level, and deserves to finish his career where it started. Nonesense. It's not what you did for me yesterday, but what you do for me today. The last couple of seasons have been injury prone for Thomas, and he isn't the spring chicken he used to be. I have nothing but respect for what he has done for the club and he is argueably the best hitter of the 90's, but my loyaty isn't in the 90's. Konerko is younger and prooved that he can fill Thomas' ugly shoes...(remember those ugly black and white striped numbers?) I agree that Thomas is still a big danger at the plate and can put up some serious numbers, and I agree that he still has time in him to do so, but alas we are at the start of yet another season where he will be coming back from a short season ended by injury. In 2000 he hit 43 dingers, then due to injury hit only 4 in 2001. In 2002 he had 28 dingers and in 2003 he was back in the saddle with 42. Then comes 2004 with only 18. He played half a season. Now what are we to expect? He can hit, but if he keeps getting injured, then all we can expect is more of the same. I would prefer to keep Konerko. Thomas does deserve the loyalty to finish his career here, but not at the expense of losing Konerko. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 You had me at nonesense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 QUOTE(silver and black @ Jan 29, 2005 -> 09:12 PM) I love them... It's the latest Soxtalk fad... Last fad was the fan clubs in sigs, now it is the waving flags... The first person to have a waving flag in their sig has to be Qwerty, if I reckon. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Dude. The Shingo fan club will be back at the beginning of the season. I guarantee that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jan 29, 2005 -> 09:16 PM) So basically Thomas is almost a lock to be back next season, as he'll probably pick up his $10 million option, as he won't get that figure from another team, unless he has a really good season, which won't happen considering he might not be back until June. Otherwise the Sox can pick up the team option, or buy him out, and let Gload into the lineup everyday, or resign Jurassic Carl to be the DH. No, I see no reason why KW will not buy Frank out. He most likely will be back, but at a much reduced price... And for those fools who would rather have Frank over Pauly, why? Frank is a full-time DH with health issues. He's not getting any younger, and his skills are declining. Pauly is young, plays defense, and is just entering his prime. That is a pretty easy choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 I think Frank can still hit at a high level. I think, as is, he is a better hitter than Paul. This is not just out of sentimentality either. As for defense, we have to play a DH every game. Ask Texas how much it sucks to not have a great hitting DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 QUOTE(sircaffey @ Jan 29, 2005 -> 11:03 PM) No, I see no reason why KW will not buy Frank out. He most likely will be back, but at a much reduced price... And for those fools who would rather have Frank over Pauly, why? Frank is a full-time DH with health issues. He's not getting any younger, and his skills are declining. Pauly is young, plays defense, and is just entering his prime. That is a pretty easy choice. If anything they will renegotiate with him, not buy him out. They would not do that to thomas after all these years. Well they may, i just highly doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthSideScraper Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Jan 29, 2005 -> 11:10 PM) I think Frank can still hit at a high level. I think, as is, he is a better hitter than Paul. This is not just out of sentimentality either. As for defense, we have to play a DH every game. Ask Texas how much it sucks to not have a great hitting DH. I agree that Frank can still hit at a high level, but as history shows, Thomas needs a season to get back into the game. As I stated in an earlier post... In 2000 he hit 43 dingers, then due to injury hit only 4 in 2001. In 2002 he had 28 dingers and in 2003 he was back in the saddle with 42. Then comes 2004 with only 18. Half the season played due to injury. Maybe he comes back this season and hits 25 homers with 80 RBI's...Then he get's back into the swing in 2006? I'm not sure that his past production is worth waiting that long. He needs to get back on his feet quicker than that...But again, he not getting any younger. I like Thomas, I really do..... I can do with out his cry baby antics to the media when it comes time to discuss his contract, but I like him for what he has accomplished. However, if he needs two seasons to comeback after an injury, then we can pick someone else up or use who we have to fill the spot. Gload can play first base easily enough, and that leaves Konerko and Everett to fill in at DH. I think the DH should be outlawed, but that's for another post - Point is, Thomas is at the end of his tenure as the 'hot hitter' for the Sox. He's getting older and is injury prone, and we have some younger guys who can easily fill the void. Do the Sox really want to keep him for the kind of money he wants? I don't know, but it doesn't seem likely to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 FA's who post >.900 OPS get 10M or more.... anyone who thinks that frank is not worth that is misguided and just plain wrong. {-----------OPS------------} player Career Peak 2004 Contract Thomas .996 1.217 .997 Delgado .949 1.134 .949 4/$52M Sexson .877 .927 .914 4/$50M Beltran .844 .915 .915 7/$115M Drew .904 1.027 1.006 5/$55M Beltre .794 1.017 1.017 5/$64M Varitek .798 .872 .872 4/$40M Glaus .854 1.008 .930 4/$45M Crazy SS market Cabrera .725 .807 .689 4/$36M Renteria .746 .874 .728 4/$40M Polanco .748 .799 .786 1/$4.6M Valentin .773 .845 .773 1/$3.5M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Frank's peak OPS is sick. That was in '94, when his OBP was just about .500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthSideScraper Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jan 30, 2005 -> 12:39 AM) FA's who post >.900 OPS get 10M or more.... anyone who thinks that frank is not worth that is misguided and just plain wrong. I think the most important stat you left off is the fact that most of those players have only been around half the time Thomas has, not to mention even worth comparing to Thomas....you're comparing a career with newer players. Some who have a chance to be better and some who will never even come close. I'm not dissagreeing with anyone that Thomas isn't a good ball player, but every ball player loses it. This is the last year on his contract. He has shown that he can't get back in the saddle after a season ending injury until the following season. Do you really think that the White Sox will want to have Thomas back if he doesn't produce this season? Let's just give him a deal because of what he has for us in the past? I could put any number of ball players stats down and make them look good. But when you're talking about coughing up a good sized chunk o' change for a ball player who is aging and injury prone, you have to start thinking about said players future. The only people who are misguided are those who think that a rookie in 1990 is going to play as well as he has in 2005 and beyond after he has been on again off again with injuries for the past four seasons. I love those 40+ homer seasons, but despise the 18-20something seasons in between. Just because a player has great numbers doesn't mean they last - Someone has a quote on this forum that goes something like... "Stats are like bikini's, they show most it, but not all of it." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthSideScraper Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 I don't want to lose Thomas. Not at all. I want him to retire a White Sock. He has been a great hitter and has more left in him, but he's going to want good money and he may not be worth it in the end.....Let's not get stuck in a spot with him like the Chubs are with Sosa. I don't want to be stuck in a large contract with a has been ball player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Why do you think that all of the sudden Frank isn't goign to hit? I mean, I guess it's possible but I don't see any evidence that would lead me to believe that. Franks is not really that old, and has plenty of good baseball left in him. After the Sox embarassing treatment of Carlton Fisk, I think the Sox will be better with Frank. I do wish that KW would get off his case a little bit this year. Frank has been portrayed as a much worse guy/athlete than he really is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthSideScraper Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Jan 30, 2005 -> 01:21 AM) Why do you think that all of the sudden Frank isn't goign to hit? I mean, I guess it's possible but I don't see any evidence that would lead me to believe that. Franks is not really that old, and has plenty of good baseball left in him. After the Sox embarassing treatment of Carlton Fisk, I think the Sox will be better with Frank. I do wish that KW would get off his case a little bit this year. Frank has been portrayed as a much worse guy/athlete than he really is. The evidence is that since 2000, after he has been injured, he comes back to less than stellar numbers. Well, numbers that would be considered stellar by Thomas' standards.... He has been injured three times, and each season after he has needed a season to recover to come back to his usual numbers. I'm saying that this last season and now his questionable return for the beginning of the season are against him. He's 37 years old and NOT juiced. How much longer do you think he has? I'm not questioning his ability nor his numbers. I'm questioning his ability to stay healthy and produce consistently from here on in and the cost of it all. Where does loyalty and past production and furture production and health even out? If can't get back to his numbers this season and stay healthy, then I think it's time for a change in the DH spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 He has been injured three times, and each season after he has needed a season to recover to come back to his usual numbers. I'm saying that this last season and now his questionable return for the beginning of the season are against him. He's 37 years old and NOT juiced. How much longer do you think he has? That statement is flat out inaccurate. He was injured in 2001. THAT particular injury (a torn tricep) ruin '01 and took all of 02 for him to recover. 2003 was typical Frank and he was doing great in 04 until he got hurt. So what we have here is one injury that took almost two years for him to fully recover. The most recent injury has cost half a season. So far. We don't what '05 will bring. But I'm more inclined to say it was the particular type of injury, rather than the injured, that was the reason for Frank's subpar 2002. But either way you slice it, this is not a trend. It's a one time occurance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Frank is the greatest hitter that has every played for this franchise. His numbers speak for themself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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