sox-r-us Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 I bet there will be tons of Cub fans at the Orioles games at the Cell this upcoming year I know of tons of Cub fans who have already bought tickets :banghead What is worse is they will probably wear their Cub Sosa jerseys and cheer for the moron when he takes the field I hope every true Sox fan buys a ticket to that game and sits in the RF bleachers to boo his sorry ass every play This should help our attendance in a corny way though. Never before were Baltimore games any big attraction, but this year I bet the Cell gets at least 75% filled up for that game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 I don't like talking to Cub fans, and I sure don't like watching a game at US Cellular with a lot of them around. But this year would be torture - the Baltimore weekend is followed by the Cub-Sox games the next weekend. They'll have to fumigate the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
103 mph screwball Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Good. Let them help pay for our players. Maybe payroll will go up another 7-8 million next year. Heck make it so you have to buy an Ozzie or Minnie plan to see B-more too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Tons, I doubt it, some yes. If your theory holds true then would you say there will be a "ton" of sox fans going to wrigley if Maggs plays for the cubs? I suspect not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsgoarow Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 very good point.......i dont think one person on this site would go to wrigley to see mags pla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 I think not, they booed him at Cubsfest.. The only way they come is to boo him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stocking Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Pale Hose Talk?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted January 30, 2005 Author Share Posted January 30, 2005 QUOTE(quickman @ Jan 30, 2005 -> 06:15 PM) Tons, I doubt it, some yes. If your theory holds true then would you say there will be a "ton" of sox fans going to wrigley if Maggs plays for the cubs? I suspect not. You are comparing apples to oranges. First off, there are very few (unscalped) Cub tickets available. They will be sold out none the less. OTOH, there are always tons of Sox tickets available. Secondly, Sosa is far more idolized by kids than Maggs was. Folks who never got to take their kids to watch Sosa due to sell outs at Wrigley will come to Cell to show Sosa to their kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 what i fine amusing is all the beat writers writing all those negative stories about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 QUOTE(sox-r-us @ Jan 30, 2005 -> 09:11 PM) You are comparing apples to oranges. First off, there are very few (unscalped) Cub tickets available. They will be sold out none the less. OTOH, there are always tons of Sox tickets available. Secondly, Sosa is far more idolized by kids than Maggs was. Folks who never got to take their kids to watch Sosa due to sell outs at Wrigley will come to Cell to show Sosa to their kids. Ok lets say your right, which I am not, but if so describe "tons" thousands? hundreds? or just a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 QUOTE(LDF @ Jan 30, 2005 -> 03:17 PM) what i fine amusing is all the beat writers writing all those negative stories about him. The Tribsters are really laying it on thick. World class smear campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retro1983hat Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 I have tix to the Saturday Oriole game and depending on how the Sox are dong at that point, and the weather, that game might get 75% full. The Friday and Sunday games might have 20,000 fans. That first game back, the game that all the media will be camped out at the Cell to cover Sam-Me's return, the day the Sox fans get to be the first story on the news that night, there might be 15,000 people there. It's just our dumb Sox luck. The next day in the paper I can already envision Mariotti's column saying there were more Sosa jerseys in the crowd than Sox fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 31, 2005 -> 06:09 AM) The Tribsters are really laying it on thick. World class smear campaign. This is the only writer in Chicago who has called out the Tribune for their campaign against Sosa. Barry Rozner of the Arlington Heights Herald, let'er rip: The word for today, boys and girls, is fraud. Can you spell it? Can you say it? Can you finally, after all these years, believe it? The Cubs and Major League Baseball perpetrated the greatest fraud in Chicago sports history and passed it on to millions of fans around the world by presenting you with a Sammy Sosa who never existed. And when the product was no longer useful to them, they threw Sosa under the bus and committed yet another deception. It's clear now that the Cubs' lone reason for exposing Sosa as a liar immediately after the season was to use the following four months to sell it to you. True, it hurt his trade value, but it also gave the Cubs the time they needed to build their case and turn public opinion against Sosa. The very same Cubs brass who lied to you about what kind of person he was every time they signed him to a new contract, the very same media who painted lovely portraits of him every time he hit a meaningless 500-foot homer, the very same players who embraced him when it was good publicity and swore that Sosa was a great teammate, all saw the wind shift and went after Sosa's carcass like starving vultures. They didn't have the guts to merely trade Sosa, so first they had to humiliate him, strip him of what dignity he had left and shove it down the throats of every kid who worshipped No. 21. They couldn't let him leave a hero because they didn't want the heat, so the Cubs tried to make sure Sosa left here with a reputation as the worst person, teammate and baseball player the North Side has ever known. This is as much a fraud as the 66 homers, the ear-to-ear smile for the cameras, the Flintstones vitamins, the sneeze, the change in batting order, the "accidental'' corked bat and all the rest. What are you supposed to think now about the execs who helped cover up Sosa's corking, who stood beside him while bats were hidden and asked you to believe it was an honest mistake? What Sosa did in leaving his team that final Sunday wasn't good, but that's what happens when there's no one in charge of the club, and everyone believes they can do whatever they want. That's what happens when you enable and coddle and protect someone who is led to believe there are no rules for him. And it wasn't worse than the true sins Sosa committed over the years, sins you rarely heard about because few dared expose Sosa. The same critics quick to rip Andre Dawson or Ryne Sandberg for their quiet professionalism, or happy to brag they'd never vote Ron Santo to the Hall of Fame couldn't wait to shamelessly promote Sosa as the savior of the sport and a grand human being because he could hit the ball a long way. He shook writers' hands and smiled, and they looked the other way as he grew exponentially each winter. But now that public sentiment has turned, thanks to the Cubs, the critics have also abandoned Sosa and joined the pariah parade. They have all helped sell it to you, and by the Convention the Cubs knew it. They took the ballroom's temperature and realized 100 days of trashing the right fielder had worked, and they could make their trade - albeit 10 years too late. This also, by the way, is a fraud. This deal wouldn't be approved for most players, but the commissioner wants so badly to resurrect Sosa's career and - most important - his image, that Bud Selig will rubber stamp it first chance he gets. The Cubs, who made scores of millions off Sosa's picture, care not a lick about what they get in return. They did their jobs already. You had to believe Sosa was the Devil or they couldn't give him away, and so they turned kids - big and little - against him. Hispanic children, once so proud to worship their hero, could be seen with their Sosa jerseys turned inside out at the Cubs Convention. It is beneath even the Cubs to have gone this far. Not even Sosa deserved this. The shy kid who reported to the Cubs in 1992 after the trade from the White Sox wanted to become a great baseball player, but his personal GM, Larry Himes, started him down the path to ruin by convincing him that 30-30 - not winning - should be his goal. It wasn't long before Sosa realized the real financial reward was in hitting home runs, not playing the field, running the bases or winning World Series. He was the product of an environment that promoted Mark McGwire as the modern-day Babe Ruth, and in one late, 1997 series in St. Louis, Sosa got a close-up look at the gorilla known as McGwire and understood immediately what he had to do that winter. He came back twice as big as the year before, hit 66 homers and went home to get bigger ... and bigger ... and bigger. We tried to warn you for years that this story was not as it had been portrayed, but the Cubs, the media and MLB built hi•into an international superstar. They created Frankenstein and now act surprised when he starts eating villagers. He did not ask for the pedestal erected for him, by those who closed their eyes to his blemishes and swollen muscles, but he gladly accepted it and ran amok. To see backs turned on him now, the rats jumping off a sinking superstar, is as unpleasant as it gets in sports, and enough perhaps to make you feel sorry for him. You'll hear a lot about the winners and losers in this deal over the coming weeks and months. But with the Cubs having taken the low road, instead of allowing Sosa to leave a hero, there are only losers, including his former teammates who now tear Sosa apart, gutless when it was unpopular to speak the truth. Of course, it had to end this way. All great lies do. The sickening part is Sosa goes out as the only villain, a once-loving fandom hating him. In reality, he was just a willing participant in a grand sham. Many more villains remain right here in Chicago, ready to perpetrate the next great fraud. Always, at your expense. 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southsider2k5 Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 That is awesome Great, great write up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Looks like Rozner won't be working for the Trib any time soon. Way to go, Barry!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Gleason Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Damn...I have a tear forming! I never thought I would feel any sympathy for Sosa, but I think he nailed it on the head pretty damn well there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 I emailed Morrisey a couple of days ago. He wrote a column ripping Sosa, and olny Sosa. While I agreed that Sosa reaped what he sowed, I also pointed out that he left out the part about the Cubs creating the "egomaniacal monster" that Sosa had become. No response, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 That Rozner piece is dead on. Great article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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