Everett a fit for the Cubs?

[beck72]

Would you trade for Everett? Maggs should go to the Tigers. And Burnitz could easily put up a .230 avg with 150k's. Not to mention he'd be more expensive than everett and want a multi yr deal. Everett could play either LF or RF, switch hit and give them the LH power they need.

 

Don't get me wrong. I like Carl Everett. I think he'll rebound from his 2004 with a solid year along the lines of his 2003. Yet Carl isn't a good fit for the Sox. He'll likely DH until Frank comes back. But once Frank comes back, when and where will he get AB's? He won't take them from Pods or Dye. He just won't get enough AB's to justify holding onto him. He deserves a full-time spot.

 

The Sox could have PK DH until Frank comes back, with Gload playing 1b. If Ozzie is going by the 2004 season, he'd have PK DH and play Gload. [going by Ozzie's comments about Carl's weight]. I know Carl is KW's guy. But Carl just doesn't seem like a fit for this team coming off the bench.

 

If the Sox could get another bullpen arm like Kyle Farnsworth and a prospect or two for Everett, would you do it? Is the luxury of having a bench guy like Carl worth more than adding to an already strong bullpen, with Farnsworth prob. replacing Adkins, and Cotts in long relief?

 

I know you have to keep in mind injuries to players. Gload though offers a proven bat and solid glove to start 2005 and coming off the bench when Frank is back. But also keep in mind two young bats who likely could see time in 2004 if an injury would occur--Brian Anderson and Mike Spidale. Not to mention Alex Escobar [i don't count Borchard, who should be used as trade bait for a UTL IFer]. I personally would want an excess of bullpen arms. IMO, flamethrowers are harder to come by than DH types.

[DBAHO]

I've been thinking a little about this well since the Sosa news over the past few days. There's a couple of reasons for and against a deal happening, and I think it's far more likely a deal won't happen. If the Sox wanted to make Gload an everyday player, they probably would have traded Konerko instead of Lee if they could have, but it was more likely Lee was always going to generate a greater return on the trade market.

 

I think it's far more likely that the Cubs would swing a deal with the Twinkies for Jackass Jones, although Minny may not want to do this, considering they have Kubel and Restrovich already injured, and we know Shannon Stewart missed a lot of time last season.

 

A lot of people around here have also been interested in picking up Farnsworth, but I can't see much of a fit here either, unless he was traded for another bullpen guy like Cliff Politte. If the Sox and Cubs do make a trade, which I doubt will happen, the Sox should go after some of the Cubs' prospects, and that will help KW swing some moves mid - season, if we need one to help put us over the top in the division.

 

I think KW wants to keep Everett around for the majority of 2005 regardless if he's not going to play for the last few months of the season. If he has a real good start to the season, which he has done before with the Rangers 2 seasons ago, which made KW trade for him in the 1st place, it'll be very hard to take him out of the lineup, and the Sox will keep giving him AB's somehow. There's some options there, if Pod's shows he can't handle leading off, move Iguchi or Willie up to leadoff, and put Everett in at LF, if he's healthy and fit enough to field. If he has a good season, it'll give the Sox some options come the off - season, when they have to make a choice at resigning Konerko, Thomas and Everett, 3 big bats when they are in form.

[kdhargo]

I'll take Farnsworth and Pinto...

[beck72]

A few things:

I look at it as who Ozzie and KW want on the team. Does Ozzie want Carl or does KW? I'm sure Ozzie would be fine w/ Gload at 1B and PK at Dh until frank comes back. Ozzie thinks Gload could be a regular. Gload's shown he can handle that role for at least a month until Frank comes back. KW likes Carl. Ozzie isn't sold on him.

 

With a healthy Frank, Carl won't see much time at all. The only way he gets in the OF is if Dye or Pods go down to injury. Yet Brian Anderson, Spidale or Escobar could also fill in. [Ozzie seems far more likely to go for speed and defense over offense if an injury occured]

 

I've also advocated building up the sox depth at AA and AAA, for pitchers or position players. Trading Carl for some of the Cubs depth there wouldn't be a bad idea instead of Farnsworth.

[FUCKREINSDORF]

I like the fact that Everett can switch hit.If his ass isn't so fat,

he may be productive.I say hang on to him as long as

Frank is injured.

[SkokieSox]

Everett certainly is needed with Frank out of the lineup. Moving PK to DH isn't going to do us any favors in the hope to resign him at a fair price. He wants to play first base, and he plays it pretty well. I too believe Gload could handle the duties, but for now, I don't mind keeping him in the role much like last year. If we need him to be more, we'll still have that option. However, for now, Everett serves a need.

[beck72]

Everett certainly is needed with Frank out of the lineup. Moving PK to DH isn't going to do us any favors in the hope to resign him at a fair price. He wants to play first base, and he plays it pretty well. I too believe Gload could handle the duties, but for now, I don't mind keeping him in the role much like last year. If we need him to be more, we'll still have that option. However, for now, Everett serves a need.

 

The sox got nice production w/ PK at DH and Gload at 1B. The key is how long do the sox need Carl at DH. If a month and a half or less, he's extra weight [no pun intended ]

[beck72]

I like the fact that Everett can switch hit.If his ass isn't so fat,

he may be productive.I say hang on to him as long as

Frank is injured.  

 

His being a switch hitter is good. Yet he has better numbers from the left side. With Gload, Timo and Davis [also a better hitter from the left side] already LH bats, having another one for the bench might be overkill.

[SkokieSox]

The sox got nice production w/ PK at DH and Gload at 1B. The key is how long do the sox need Carl at DH. If a month and a half or less, he's extra weight [no pun intended ]

It's not that PK can't DH, it's that he doesn't want to. If he was somehow convinced to do it, then fine, but it doesn't appear likely.

[beck72]

It's not that PK can't DH, it's that he doesn't want to. If he was somehow convinced to do it, then fine, but it doesn't appear likely.

 

For the short term PK can. He did it the last month and a half. If Frank was going to be gone for two months or more, I'd want to keep Carl. Yet Frank should be back sooner.

[TLAK]

Absolutely not! The White Sox have no need for any slimy, stinking, obnoxious, fetid, venomous piece of fecal matter off their roster. The whole team, including the manager, are a bunch of lying, cheating, steroid crazed club house cancers. Keep them away from our guys.

 

Reports are Everett looked fine at Soxfest, and the way this team is shaking out all 25 guys are going to see lots of action, even if they don't start. I anticipate Oz will go 11-12 position guys deep in close games and I'd much rather have Carl Everett coming off the bench than Joe Borchard.

 

I respectfully dissagree with your suggestion.

[beck72]

Absolutely not!  The White Sox have no need for any slimy, stinking, obnoxious, fetid, venomous piece of fecal matter off their roster.    The whole team, including the manager, are a bunch of  lying, cheating, steroid crazed club house cancers. Keep them away from our guys.

 

Reports are Everett looked fine at Soxfest, and the way this team is shaking out all 25 guys are going to see lots of action, even if they don't start.  I anticipate Oz will go 11-12 position guys deep in close games and I'd much rather have Carl Everett coming off the bench than Joe Borchard.

 

I respectfully dissagree with your suggestion.

 

I do think Farnsworth has some issues. Yet to discount any of the Cubs prospects because they come from the cubs isn't smart baseball.

 

I still don't see how CArl gets his AB's. Everyone says "he'll play a lot". Somehow I don't see it. If he plays a lot, something is seriously wrong with Frank, Dye, or Pods.

[CWSGuy406]

His being a switch hitter is good. Yet he has better numbers from the left side. With Gload, Timo and Davis [also a better hitter from the left side] already LH bats, having another one for the bench might be overkill.

 

Are you trying to tell me that Davis or Perez are even half as good at the plate (LH) as Everett is?

 

I think like Harris, Everett should be kept around as a safety net incase one of our players (Podsednik, mainly) fails to hold down their jobs. Many people over at another message board also feel that Podsednik might not regain his 2003 form, or even come close to it -- and, if Everett is pounding the ball, Everett is going to have to be in the lineup everyday -- LF being the only logical place he can play...

[santo=dorf]

Why should we help out the Cubs? Do we really need Farnsworth or any of their overrated prospects? :fthecubs

[Hanky Panky]

Carl Everett--he is a good player. But let's face it, Ross Gload showed everyone his potential by playing first base, right field, and clutch-hitting in drastic situations last year. Ross should be the starting right-fielder--don't let that rookie QB play right field. Carl should then be a backup/clutch hitter.

[Hanky Panky]

I forgot about Jermaine Dye...damn. He should play right field. And no, I did not see Gload's errors against the Cubs. I was on summer vacation at the time. Forget what I said--Dye is the man. He's so great defensively.

[Molto]

you don't trade Everett for a reliever right now ... we have seven already and need a bat like Everett much more than an eighth reliever. The only way you trade Everett is if you get a good utility middle infielder in return, and possibly a minor leaguers, depending how much money the Sox get freed of.

[AnthraxFan93]

Beck72, I can agree with you Trading Carla.. He serves no purpose, for month, month and half of the season, he does but for 4 million it is not worth it. I would love to trade away Carla for some of the Cubs propects, to replace our depleaded farm system KW loves to dismantle.

 

I don't want Farns, I like our Pen the way it is, good mix of young and old. Otherwise a great idea.

 

Everyone who says its a bad idea listen to this..

 

2005 Sox motto is the team is built around pitching,speed and Defense

 

Please show me where Carla, fits into anyone of those catagories.

[Chisoxfn]

I don't see a problem keeping Everett around because he's in great shape and when thats the case he's going to have a big year if he stays healthy. Of course he's also going to be DH'ing primarily until Frank comes back but could play left field (and only left field) in a pinch or if someone struggles.

 

For example if Dye goes down you'll see Rowand shift to right and I think you'll even see that in instances when Dye takes a day off, imo. Although you could of course see Timo or Gload or someone else instead of Arow moving.

[beck72]

Are you trying to tell me that Davis or Perez are even half as good at the plate (LH) as Everett is?

 

I think like Harris, Everett should be kept around as a safety net incase one of our players (Podsednik, mainly) fails to hold down their jobs.  Many people over at another message board also feel that Podsednik might not regain his 2003 form, or even come close to it -- and, if Everett is pounding the ball, Everett is going to have to be in the lineup everyday -- LF being the only logical place he can play...

 

This has nothing to do with talent. It has to do with who's a better fit on the bench, being versatile, playing positions, getting AB's etc.

 

Everett could be pounding the ball. But where would Pods play? Rowand? Dye? These 3 are all signed to 2 yr + deals. Carl isn't.

[SkokieSox]

This has nothing to do with talent. It has to do with who's a better fit on the bench, being versatile, playing positions, getting AB's etc.

 

Everett could be pounding the ball. But where would Pods play? Rowand? Dye? These 3 are all signed to 2 yr + deals. Carl isn't.

If we deal Everett, it makes more sense to do so at the trade deadline.

[whitesox91403]

Everett is a great player to have on the bench, and like I keep saying, I think Carl is going to have a GREAT season this year. Keeping Carl around is important.

 

 

Agreed. Everett is going to be vital to this team this year. I think if they wanted to move Everett it would have been down by now. Keep Hot Carl Everett here on the southside.

[beck72]

If we deal Everett, it makes more sense to do so at the trade deadline.

 

I was also thinking after Frank came back [if May was correct]. Everett should then have showed he's ready to play everyday, posted some good numbers. A team with an injury could use him and overpay. Such a trade would prob. be for minor leaguers, which the Sox could use guys at the AAA and AA levels.

 

But the scenario most seem to suggest that if he's doing well someone else will sit doesn't make sense to me. The only places are LF or RF and DH. And if Frank is healthy, a much better bat than Carl

[beck72]

Everett is a great player to have on the bench, and like I keep saying, I think Carl is going to have a GREAT season this year. Keeping Carl around is important.

 

I like Carl as an everyday player. I don't know if I like Carl the bench guy. And in that role he's unproven. Can he be the same productive player getting 2 starts a week? I don't know.

[beck72]

2005 Sox motto is the team is built around pitching,speed and Defense

 

CArl would be a great DH if the sox didn't have one of the best in league already. But as a corner OFer, I like what Dye and Pods can bring to the sox. More importantly, I think Ozzie would agree. I get the feeling from Ozzie's quotes that KW has tried to push Carl onto Ozzie. And Ozzie isn't feeling the same man love