Everett a fit for the Cubs?

[AddisonStSox]

Simply put, Everett is too valuable to the ballclub right now.

 

Obviously, Jurassic needs to anchor down the DH spot while Hurt is on the DL; but when Hurt is activated, say either he or Dye (both injury prone at this point in their careers) goes down, Jurassic can step in and not miss a beat.

 

Jurassic should also come into ST more steamlined and ready to go. I think his body shape/work ethic last year rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, but that is a thing of the past. His power production and veteran ability is something the Sox can't afford to trade to the Northside, or any other side for that matter.

 

I'm a Jurassic fan and I think he'll contribute a good deal to the White Sox of 2005. After that, who knows. If we are out of it at the deadline, and I don't know why we would be, trade him. If not, he'll be a veteran piece to the final strectch.

[beck72]

Simply put, Everett is too valuable to the ballclub right now.

 

Obviously, Jurassic needs to anchor down the DH spot while Hurt is on the DL; but when Hurt is activated, say either he or Dye (both injury prone at this point in their careers) goes down, Jurassic can step in and not miss a beat.

 

Jurassic should also come into ST more steamlined and ready to go.  I think his body shape/work ethic last year rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, but that is a thing of the past.  His power production and veteran ability is something the Sox can't afford to trade to the Northside, or any other side for that matter.

 

I'm a Jurassic fan and I think he'll contribute a good deal to the White Sox of 2005.  After that, who knows.  If we are out of it at the deadline, and I don't know why we would be, trade him.  If not, he'll be a veteran piece to the final strectch.

 

I get what you're saying. I too think CArl will be in shape and be a contributor. Yet once Frank comes back, the Sox will be paying a bench guy $4 mill.

 

He's valuable until Frank comes back. But having Gload at 1B and his .320 avg with Pk at Dh isn't shabby either. Could the Sox get another valuable player or two for Carl [say a backup SS in case Uribe, Crede or Iguchi go down]? Right now the MVP for the Sox is Uribe [as the starting SS and backup plan at 2b and 3b], and the Sox can't do without him. If the Sox could get some talent at the AAA level in case a guy goes down to injury [how about a LH backup for Marte, a SP prospect, etc], that may be as important.

 

Esp with Brian Anderson in AAA this yr, the Sox need backup plans at other positions rather than the OF.

[AddisonStSox]

I get what you're saying. I too think CArl will be in shape and be a contributor. Yet once Frank comes back, the Sox will be paying a bench guy $4 mill.

 

He's valuable until Frank comes back. But having Gload at 1B and his .320 avg with Pk at Dh isn't shabby either. Could the Sox get another valuable player or two for Carl [say a backup SS in case Uribe, Crede or Iguchi go down]? Right now the MVP for the Sox is Uribe [as the starting SS and backup plan at 2b and 3b], and the Sox can't do without him. If the Sox could get some talent at the AAA level in case a guy goes down to injury [how about a LH backup for Marte, a SP prospect, etc], that may be as important.

 

Esp with Brian Anderson in AAA this yr, the Sox need backup plans at other positions rather than the OF.

 

You make some excellent points. I read you all the way.

 

Kenny knew what he was doing by re-aquiring him last year at the expense of Rauch. Everett is valuable anyway you cut it; he's valuable both on the field as a contributer, and off the field as trade material.

 

Utimately, I don't think a decision will be made on Jurassic until the deadline, when team needs and such start to surface.

[Guest JimH]

I think you guys are reaching here. This team was built by KW with depth in mind, and even so they are still lacking a certain amount of depth and versatility.

 

Another big factor to consider is, let's suppose Frank is healthy on May 1 for the sake of this discussion. The last few years he's had a tendancy to get injured. I'm sorry, I want a proven bat in reserve like Everett.

 

Everett is not the greatest thing since sliced bread but he is a quality proven bat who can play serviceable OF if he's in shape. I can't see the Sox keeping him after 2005 but he's an excellent fit for this year.

 

I remember people on this site screaming about Everett last year, and perhaps rightfully so. But he is quality veteran depth. Guys will get bumps and bruises and Everett will get his 400-450 AB's. You will see guys like Anderson and Sweeney getting challenged at higher levels to see if one can push his way into the Sox OF for 2006.

 

And before someone says $4M is a lot to pay for a bench guy, they factored this in when they acquired him. They knew Ordonez was a goner and they knew they'd have to trade either Konerko or CLee. Everett is a proud guy and he's in a contract year, and those who saw him at SoxFest said he's in shape which is what I expected. This is a guy who wants to win badly and will not tolerate any clubhouse bulls***.

 

Seeing as this team is going for it, he is a good fit and there is about zero chance he'll be traded unless the Sox are out of it by July 31 which I seriously doubt.

[beck72]

You make some excellent points.  I read you all the way.

 

Kenny knew what he was doing by re-aquiring him last year at the expense of Rauch.  Everett is valuable anyway you cut it; he's valuable both on the field as a contributer, and off the field as trade material.

 

Utimately, I don't think a decision will be made on Jurassic until the deadline, when team needs and such start to surface.

 

The move for Carl was to try and salvage last season. He was hurt, and it didn't pan out. Nice try by KW. But like Anthrax said, this yr's team is different.

 

To say Ozzie was less than impressed by Carl is the understatement of the yr. While KW was familiar with CArl, Ozzie wasn't. He'll have to prove himself to Ozzie. And with Gload producing and fielding the way he did, and PK fine at DH for a short stint, I wouldn't be surprised if CArl was available sooner than the deadline.

 

I do recognize Carl's value as an everyday player. My main point is that a team like the Cubs may as well. I wouldn't give CArl away. But if it helped the Sox depth and get some very nice young talent, sure.

[Guest JimH]

To say Ozzie was less than impressed by Carl is the understatement of the yr.

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The move for Everett was for more than 2004, they knew he had the option and I would also venture a guess they knew they'd need to move one of the big bats to revamp the team. Plus they knew for sure Ordonez was a goner.

 

I would agree Ozzie was less than impressed by Everett, I think there was only one guy on the team he was less impressed with.

[beck72]

I think you guys are reaching here.  This team was built by KW with depth in mind, and even so they are still lacking a certain amount of depth and versatility.

 

Another big factor to consider is, let's suppose Frank is healthy on May 1 for the sake of this discussion.  The last few years he's had a tendancy to get injured.  I'm sorry, I want a proven bat in reserve like Everett.

 

Everett is not the greatest thing since sliced bread but he is a quality proven bat who can play serviceable OF if he's in shape.  I can't see the Sox keeping him after 2005 but he's an excellent fit for this year. 

 

I remember people on this site screaming about Everett last year, and perhaps rightfully so.  But he is quality veteran depth.  Guys will get bumps and bruises and Everett will get his 400-450 AB's.  You will see guys like Anderson and Sweeney getting challenged at higher levels to see if one can push his way into the Sox OF for 2006.

 

And before someone says $4M is a lot to pay for a bench guy, they factored this in when they acquired him.  They knew Ordonez was a goner and they knew they'd have to trade either Konerko or CLee.  Everett is a proud guy and he's in a contract year, and those who saw him at SoxFest said he's in shape which is what I expected.  This is a guy who wants to win badly and will not tolerate any clubhouse bulls***.

 

Seeing as this team is going for it, he is a good fit and there is about zero chance he'll be traded unless the Sox are out of it by July 31 which I seriously doubt.

 

If Everett gets 400-450 ab's the sox prob. won't make the playoffs. That would mean someone went down with an injury, like Rowand, or Pods. Right now, Carl is only backup for Frank and Dye.

 

Could the sox get better depth elsewhere, say at SS [in case Uribe went down], or SP [if #1-5 went down] C, or another leadoff type guy? My point is the sox have greater depth concerns at other positions than plugging in a guy at DH or RF.

[Guest JimH]

If Everett gets 400-450 ab's the sox prob. won't make the playoffs. That would mean someone went down with an injury, like Rowand, or Pods. Right now, Carl is only backup for Frank and Dye.

 

Could the sox get better depth elsewhere, say at SS [in case Uribe went down], or SP [if #1-5  went down] C, or another leadoff type guy? My point is the sox have greater depth concerns at other positions than plugging in a guy at DH or RF.

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The trick is to acquire that depth without giving up a big bat like Everett. And I think they will sometime in spring training, they will bring in a guy who can play all three IF positions who can effectively push Uribe, Iguchi, Crede. Your idea about Cintron for example.

 

It's a safe bet someone will get hurt regardless. If Everett is full time DH for April and May that's almost 240 AB's right there. Timo will be the guy who gets less AB's and that's fine. The other thing is, right now Everett is the best RH hitter on the bench assuming he's not playing. And that's his weaker side. That's why I'm saying no way are the Sox even considering trading any offense at this point.

 

You can pick up a good IF in spring training a heck of a lot easier than picking up a big bat. If Everett gets 450 AB's you're looking at 20 HR's and 70 RBI's and they need that.

[AngelasDaddy0427]

This would be a terrible trade for us. We can't afford to give up Everett when we don't know how Dye or Everett will pan out.

[quickman]

I totally agree, and on top of that, Gload does not scare me when he bats and I am certain he doesn't scare anyone else. Everett although in a decline, still can scare pitchers, especially if he gets off to a good start.

 

 

This won't happen folks, but since we don't have anything else to talk about I guess we can play GM

[SkokieSox]

It has been mentioned that Everett will lose his value once Frank comes back. I like Frank, and I hope he comes back strong. However, the Sox, if they want to be a contender, must be prepared for the reality that he may not come back and automatically be productive. No ST or live major league pitching, and he may be a little rusty. Also the injury factor, Everett will have value to this team throughout the duration of the season IMO.

[CWSGuy406]

If Everett gets 400-450 ab's the sox prob. won't make the playoffs. That would mean someone went down with an injury, like Rowand, or Pods. Right now, Carl is only backup for Frank and Dye.

 

Could the sox get better depth elsewhere, say at SS [in case Uribe went down], or SP [if #1-5  went down] C, or another leadoff type guy? My point is the sox have greater depth concerns at other positions than plugging in a guy at DH or RF.

 

JMHO, but if Podsednik and Everett were to have equal AB's this season, I'd bet on Everett having a better season.

 

He's shown that he can do it more than once. Podsednik, on the other hand, is just as unproven as a Joe Crede -- both have done it in the past, though for a short time, but both are still questionable going into this season.

 

If it so happens that Podsednik isn't able to revert to his '03 form, I'd stick Everett in left in a heartbeat. Let Iguchi/Harris-Rowand lead off, and stick Everett towards the back of the lineup.

 

Either way, I think Carl is going to have a huge impact upon the team this year...

[TLAK]

The only way Everett becomes a 'problem' is if they get 5 guys (outfielders + Frank) playing so much better than him that he's stuck on the bench. I think that would be a very good problem to have.

 

The Oz'r showed last year that he likes to use the whole roster. I expect all these guys to be in the mix. The mix will change from day to day and inning to inning.

[SABRSox]

As much as Kenny likes Carl, if there's value for him, he'll be moved. I don't see the Cubs being the destination for Carl though. If he's moved, it'll be around the trade deadline, when Kenny's certain he doesn't need Carl anymore.

[beck72]

It's a safe bet someone will get hurt regardless.  If Everett is full time DH for April and May that's almost 240 AB's right there.  Timo will be the guy who gets less AB's and that's fine.  The other thing is, right now Everett is the best RH hitter on the bench assuming he's not playing.  And that's his weaker side.  That's why I'm saying no way are the Sox even considering trading any offense at this point.

 

 

But the guys who Everett could see playing time if they get hurt, besides Frank--- Pods, Dye and rowand--- were all healthy. Carl is the one coming back from a few injuries and is a bigger risk to stay healthy than them.

[beck72]

JMHO, but if Podsednik and Everett were to have equal AB's this season, I'd bet on Everett having a better season. 

 

He's shown that he can do it more than once.  Podsednik, on the other hand, is just as unproven as a Joe Crede -- both have done it in the past, though for a short time, but both are still questionable going into this season.

 

If it so happens that Podsednik isn't able to revert to his '03 form, I'd stick Everett in left in a heartbeat.  Let Iguchi/Harris-Rowand lead off, and stick Everett towards the back of the lineup.

 

Either way, I think Carl is going to have a huge impact upon the team this year...

 

Pods won't see the bench, even if he hits what he did last yr. At worst, he could drop in the order. The sox need his speed to manufacture and score runs and prevent them from scoring on defense.

[beck72]

The only way Everett becomes a 'problem' is if they get 5 guys (outfielders + Frank) playing so much better than him that he's stuck on the bench.  I think that would be a very good problem to have.

 

The Oz'r showed last year that he likes to use the whole roster.  I expect all these guys to be in the mix.  The mix will change from day to day and inning to inning.

 

Ozzie had to move guys around last yr because of the injuries/ ineffectiveness of the players. If guys are producing and helping the team score runs, there will be less moving guys in and around the lineup. The bench guys would get spot starts to rest guys and pinch hit rather than replace the regulars.

[TLAK]

Ozzie had to move guys around last yr because of the injuries/ ineffectiveness of the players. If guys are producing and helping the team score runs, there will be less moving guys in and around the lineup. The bench guys would get spot starts to rest guys and pinch hit rather than  replace the  regulars.

With the possible exception of Aaron Rowand, there is not a guy in the line up who won't have to be pinch hit or pinch run for in certain situations. In a tie game if Paul, Frank or AJ is on base you have to run for them. All the other guys are poor match ups for certain pitchers, such as Posdednik against a LH fireballer or Uribe against junk righties. Carl (like Timo) might sit on his butt all night and end up being the key to victory.

 

There are no Beltrans on this team, to win it will take all 25 guys so I can't agree with you that the team is so strong it can afford weaken it's bench for a couple prospects from a minor league team.

[AnthraxFan93]

With the possible exception of Aaron Rowand, there is not a guy in the line up who won't have to be pinch hit or pinch run for in certain situations.  In a tie game if Paul, Frank or AJ is on base you have to run for them.  All the other guys are poor match ups for certain pitchers, such as Posdednik against a LH fireballer or Uribe against junk righties. Carl (like Timo) might sit on his butt all night and end up being the key to victory.

 

There are no Beltrans on this team, to win it will take all 25 guys so I can't agree with you that the team is so strong it can afford weaken it's bench for a couple prospects from a minor league team.

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SO you would pinch run one slow guy for another? That makes sense, I don't what the issue is here, we are a cap strapped team yet, its okay to have a 4 million Dollar back-up DH??? How are Sweeney/anderson ever going to get playing time on the big league club? How past 2006 other than BMac is there going to be a pitching staff? Let the Scrubs have Carla, we don't need him on this team...Why is that so hard for you people to figure out?

[DBAHO]

SO you would pinch run one slow guy for another? That makes sense, I don't what the issue is here, we are a cap strapped team yet, its okay to have a 4 million Dollar back-up DH??? How are Sweeney/anderson ever going to get playing time on the big league club? How past 2006 other than BMac is there going to be a pitching staff?  Let the Scrubs have Carla, we don't need him on this team...Why is that so hard for you people to figure out?

Right now if Everett was traded to the Cubs, for lets say some prospects, who would you sign out there on the free agent market for $4 million, and would they be better than what Everett could provide for this ballclub if he stayed?

[beck72]

Right now if Everett was traded to the Cubs, for lets say some prospects, who would you sign out there on the free agent market for $4 million, and would they be better than what Everett could provide for this ballclub if he stayed?

 

I orginally was going to post [maybe I did somewhere] that holding Carl until Frank was ready might be another way to go. That way Carl could build up some value, and the sox could see how other areas were panning out. Yet if Frank was healthy and back in the lineup, trading carl before he spends too much time on the bench could provide the sox with some needed depth.

 

I'm not knocking CArl. I believe he'll bounce back with his bat. Yet he's never been a bench guy. He's always been a regular and prob. should be in 2005. He has a lot more talent than some guys starting in MLB. How he'll do in a few starts a week remains to be seen. Yet the Sox already have a LH bat for the bench that fits in w/ Ozzie's style of play--Gload. He deserves some PT after what he did in extended time last year. Where is the Gload love?

[beck72]

A few things:

I still think the Sox need a UTL IFer for their bench. Right now its too one dimensional. Only Timo can play multiple positions very well defensively. Gload only plays 1B, Willie 2nd, Carl is avg at best in RF and LF.

 

Given the choice, I want quality backups/ young talent almost ready for the bigs for position players, bullpen guys and SP's more than I want a backup DH. Season ending injuries to key position players [like Uribe, ARow, PK] or pitchers [shingo, Marte, Buerhle, Garcia, etc] could harm the club far worse than getting a DH. Look at what PK did as DH, and Gload at 1b filling in for Frank. The problem wasn't with hitting. It was w/ the pitching and hitting from other spots.

 

The key is what kind of bench do the sox want. Do they want a big bat who can get two starts a week? Or versatile, above avg defenders who are less potent w/ the bat, but are going to keep the other team from scoring cheap runs because of bad defense? Are the 2005 Sox a team relying on scoring runs early, to get a lead, and allow their pitching and defense to keep leads, or keep them in games while they can manufacture runs late? Or are they a team that can allow an average defender to play because they need his offense?

 

Going by the makeup of this team, I see Carl pinch hitting late or getting a spot start here or there. He won't sub defensively for anyone. Dye, Rowand and Pods will rarely be lifted late in a game. They all are solid defenders and can hold their own vs LH or RHP. Only if Frank is gone for the season would Carl really be needed. IMO, if his ankle is fine--and there are not reports that it shouldn't be good to go--Frank should be back to near what he was doing the 1st half of last yr. His injury wasn't near as serious as the triceps injury, and shouldn't take a long recovery period to get his timing back

[AnthraxFan93]

Right now if Everett was traded to the Cubs, for lets say some prospects, who would you sign out there on the free agent market for $4 million, and would they be better than what Everett could provide for this ballclub if he stayed?

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Nobody, I would see have the best man from our prospects come up and sit on the bench and fill in for some time, then DH paulie and have Gload play 1b. It might not be the best laid plan but come July time and beyond we have some money to spend and also prospects that can be used past 2006.

 

Beck I do like the idea of having Carl on this team till Frank comes back, and we might get more for him.. I just don't want Carla on this team by AUgust Sept time, esp if we are out of it.

[T R U]

Nobody, I would see have the best man from our prospects come up and sit on the bench and fill in for some time

 

hey thats a great idea!!!

 

Well take our best prospect and let him sit on the bench instead of getting full at bats in the minors!

 

While were at it why dont we bring up B Mac and let him mop up

 

Anthrax for GM 2006, I am starting the petition

[AnthraxFan93]

Anthrax for GM 2006, I am starting the petition

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That probally is the best post you have ever had.. and most intelligent thing you have ever said..

 

Great JOb.. Keep up the good work, and if offered the Job I would take it, hell Can't do any worse than KW