AnthraxFan93 Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/fielding?statsId=5073 If he played any position on the sox long term it would be left. No where else. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How about taking a pay cut and being the Hot Dog Vendor.. Thats about as close to a White Sox team I want him to be.. Your "theory" is saying that Harold baines would be a OF in his hayday with this team.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Jan 31, 2005 -> 04:22 PM) How about taking a pay cut and being the Hot Dog Vendor.. Thats about as close to a White Sox team I want him to be.. Your "theory" is saying that Harold baines would be a OF in his hayday with this team.. You are very hard headed just so you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jan 31, 2005 -> 04:21 PM) If brewers fans do not like his fielding i do not like his fielding. They say he gets really really s***ty reads. I've heard that too from some people but there were a lot of people who said that about Aaron in his first few seasons, like I said I want to watch him play defensively before I make a judgement on his ability in the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Jan 31, 2005 -> 04:22 PM) How about taking a pay cut and being the Hot Dog Vendor.. Thats about as close to a White Sox team I want him to be.. Your "theory" is saying that Harold baines would be a OF in his hayday with this team.. May I ask what you have against Carl, I assume you just don't like him because Kenny traded for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 If brewers fans do not like his fielding i do not like his fielding. They say he gets really really s***ty reads. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well Boston/Rangers/Marlins/Mets/Astros.. all say that Carla is a RF, and sucks so Then I think the same thing..So wI am right then FYI..on WhiteSox.com they have 3 LF.. none are Carla. On a side note they do have him as an OF.. 3 RF behind DYe Bochard Everett Great arguement Gwety... lets discuss, next how Mike Carssuo should be the starting SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 May I ask what you have against Carl, I assume you just don't like him because Kenny traded for him. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Watched Carla play in 03, watched as balls Rowand was camoping under and making a Fire roasted marshmellows Everett was not even close to getting. My tix were in RCF, got to see that sad excuse for a OF play almsot everyday in 03 (during the 2nd half) Didn't need him then and don't need him now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Jan 31, 2005 -> 04:27 PM) Watched Carla play in 03, watched as balls Rowand was camoping under and making a Fire roasted marshmellows Everett was not even close to getting. My tix were in RCF, got to see that sad excuse for a OF play almsot everyday in 03 (during the 2nd half) Didn't need him then and don't need him now. You fail to mention that Carl was the only guy on our team that year who hit down the stretch in those series against the twins. Carl was our most productive hitter down the stretch that year. I'm sure you won't get an argument from anyone here that Carl should never, ever play centerfield but a healthy Carl is still a very good player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Jan 31, 2005 -> 04:26 PM) Well Boston/Rangers/Marlins/Mets/Astros.. all say that Carla is a RF, and sucks so Then I think the same thing..So wI am right then FYI..on WhiteSox.com they have 3 LF.. none are Carla. On a side note they do have him as an OF.. 3 RF behind DYe Bochard Everett Great arguement Gwety... lets discuss, next how Mike Carssuo should be the starting SS. What i am saying makes sense. Just not to you. Several other sites have him as a left fielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 What i am saying makes sense. Just not to you. Several other sites have him as a left fielder. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So now both MLB.com and whitesox.com are wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Jan 31, 2005 -> 04:32 PM) So now both MLB.com and whitesox.com are wrong? Have you ever seen how fast they update? But it is probally what they say goes, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jan 31, 2005 -> 04:38 PM) Have you ever seen how fast they update? But it is probally what they say goes, correct? Until they post him as a LF'er. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Jan 31, 2005 -> 04:32 PM) So now both MLB.com and whitesox.com are wrong? What difference does it make. LF is the easist of the 3 to play so if he is listed as a RF and we have seen him in center, he shoulsd be fine in LF. As stated numerous times, we will be fine with Pods, Dye, Thomas and Everett vying for three spots in the line-up. We need professional hitters, there is no question, he is that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Feb 1, 2005 -> 08:48 AM) Same sense it makes to pay 4 million for a bench player. Like it or not, Everett is going to be the full time DH unless anything changes from here until opening day which is unlikely. What is stupid though, is having the likes of Brian Anderson sitting on the bench everyday, just because he's "cheap". It doesn't help in the short - term, unless you're the owner saving money, and it definitely doesn't help in the long - term unless you want another Joe Borchard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 Like it or not, Everett is going to be the full time DH unless anything changes from here until opening day which is unlikely. What is stupid though, is having the likes of Brian Anderson sitting on the bench everyday, just because he's "cheap". It doesn't help in the short - term, unless you're the owner saving money, and it definitely doesn't help in the long - term unless you want another Joe Borchard. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Good post, the other factor to consider is service time and how fast these guys get to free agency. It might be cheap to have a young guy sit on the bench but it makes little sense for that players development. In addition, they get to free agency faster and that ends up costing more money, sooner. Let these young players demonstrate they're ready by dominating at AAA or AA. Even that may be misleading, Diaz was lights out at Charlotte but got his lights punched out in the majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Feb 2, 2005 -> 02:09 AM) Good post, the other factor to consider is service time and how fast these guys get to free agency. It might be cheap to have a young guy sit on the bench but it makes little sense for that players development. In addition, they get to free agency faster and that ends up costing more money, sooner. Let these young players demonstrate they're ready by dominating at AAA or AA. Even that may be misleading, Diaz was lights out at Charlotte but got his lights punched out in the majors. Exactly. Look at Zack Greinke and Jeremy Bonderman. By the time they're about 24, 25, they'll be free to start negotiating with other teams once they get past arbitration. It worries me when people want Anderson up here by the end of the season or McCarthy in our rotation, if there's an open spot. To me, these guys need to both start down at Birmingham, and stay there for the majority of 2005, with Anderson probably moving up to the Knights earlier than B-Mac. There's no need to rush these guys, considering there's not an open spot for them in the everyday lineup or rotation. The longer these guys stay in the minors, the more they get to work against opposition they're comfortable against, so they won't be in over their head, like say Willie Mo Pena was when the Cincinatti Reds rushed him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 Exactly. Look at Zack Greinke and Jeremy Bonderman. By the time they're about 24, 25, they'll be free to start negotiating with other teams once they get past arbitration. It worries me when people want Anderson up here by the end of the season or McCarthy in our rotation, if there's an open spot. To me, these guys need to both start down at Birmingham, and stay there for the majority of 2005, with Anderson probably moving up to the Knights earlier than B-Mac. There's no need to rush these guys, considering there's not an open spot for them in the everyday lineup or rotation. The longer these guys stay in the minors, the more they get to work against opposition they're comfortable against, so they won't be in over their head, like say Willie Mo Pena was when the Cincinatti Reds rushed him up. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> WEll if this team fails again, would you rather have Thomas's and Everetts playing or ANderson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Feb 1, 2005 -> 09:09 AM) Good post, the other factor to consider is service time and how fast these guys get to free agency. It might be cheap to have a young guy sit on the bench but it makes little sense for that players development. In addition, they get to free agency faster and that ends up costing more money, sooner. Let these young players demonstrate they're ready by dominating at AAA or AA. Even that may be misleading, Diaz was lights out at Charlotte but got his lights punched out in the majors. That's what I try to keep preaching. Look at Rowand. He's just entering his prime and we'll get him for 3 years at a relatively cheap price. He might command a huge contract next time around, but he's ours for a while. That, my friends, is good "GM-ing". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Feb 2, 2005 -> 02:26 AM) WEll if this team fails again, would you rather have Thomas's and Everetts playing or ANderson? Who's saying this team is going to fail? If the team doesn't perform up to its capabilities, it's more than likely trades will be made, and guys like Anderson could be given a shot, but I don't forsee that occuring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Feb 2, 2005 -> 02:27 AM) That's what I try to keep preaching. Look at Rowand. He's just entering his prime and we'll get him for 3 years at a relatively cheap price. He might command a huge contract next time around, but he's ours for a while. That, my friends, is good "GM-ing". And that's what GM's who don't work for a big budget team, have to try and do with their good players. I'd much rather have Aaron Rowand for the next 3 seasons at age what is he about 27 IIRC, than someone like Anderson or Sweeney who will be younger and not put up the same production in that period of time most likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 WEll if this team fails again, would you rather have Thomas's and Everetts playing or ANderson? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's a very fair question, answer to me is, it depends. If Anderson is healthy and dominating at AA or AAA, yes let's get it going. But if he is clearly not ready, no way. By all accounts he is not ready yet. He's yet to demonstrate he has the stamina for a full season, nor has he stayed healthy. His numbers have been quite good but not overwhelming by any stretch. I saw him play a lot in spring training and will see him again a lot this year. My eye is not a scouts eye but I've said all along he looks like a 2006 arrival to me. Tough to say at this point if it's starting 2006 or September. Make no mistake, I like Anderson quite a bit. And Sweeney, Brandon McCarthy to name two others. I do not want to see these guys rushed though. Sox have rushed pitchers in the past and it's been a bad scene. In some cases their talent was overhyped but in other cases guys got rushed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Feb 2, 2005 -> 02:35 AM) That's a very fair question, answer to me is, it depends. If Anderson is healthy and dominating at AA or AAA, yes let's get it going. But if he is clearly not ready, no way. By all accounts he is not ready yet. He's yet to demonstrate he has the stamina for a full season, nor has he stayed healthy. His numbers have been quite good but not overwhelming by any stretch. I saw him play a lot in spring training and will see him again a lot this year. My eye is not a scouts eye but I've said all along he looks like a 2006 arrival to me. Tough to say at this point if it's starting 2006 or September. Make no mistake, I like Anderson quite a bit. And Sweeney, Brandon McCarthy to name two others. I do not want to see these guys rushed though. Sox have rushed pitchers in the past and it's been a bad scene. In some cases their talent was overhyped but in other cases guys got rushed. Let's say the Sox have a sucessful season though, and Podsednik, Rowand, Dye and Everett put up good numbers for the number of AB's they have. My question is this. Brian Anderson has a great year, and finishes the season as a 40 man call up, after putting up good numbers for the Knights. Do you keep him on the bench for the Sox, or send him back down to Charlotte, and wait until the contract of someone like Dye comes off the books so he can take over every - day? (I'm probably asking something that's too far ahead in the future thoughm but let's see where it goes). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Feb 1, 2005 -> 09:38 AM) Let's say the Sox have a sucessful season though, and Podsednik, Rowand, Dye and Everett put up good numbers for the number of AB's they have. My question is this. Brian Anderson has a great year, and finishes the season as a 40 man call up, after putting up good numbers for the Knights. Do you keep him on the bench for the Sox, or send him back down to Charlotte, and wait until the contract of someone like Dye comes off the books so he can take over every - day? (I'm probably asking something that's too far ahead in the future thoughm but let's see where it goes). You cross that bridge when you come to it. You have options of trading veterans for other needs, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 And that's what GM's who don't work for a big budget team, have to try and do with their good players. I'd much rather have Aaron Rowand for the next 3 seasons at age what is he about 27 IIRC, than someone like Anderson or Sweeney who will be younger and not put up the same production in that period of time most likely. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I remember one thing that was said at SoxFest 2004, cannot remember if it was Williams or Hahn. Basically, these kids will let you know when they're ready ... and at that point you make room for them. I agree with that. I believe in giving young players a chance but not because of hype from Baseball America or this board or the White Sox PR machine. To give you an example of a guy who probably deserves a chance, look at that guy the Cubs have, Jason Dubois(?). He is about 25, put up great numbers consistently and shown well in limited time in the bigs. I hate the Cubs but just using him as an example. The other thing ... the White Sox have bought themselves time to let Anderson and Sweeney develop. Rowand, Podsednik, Dye are all signed for a couple of years. Not to say those kids won't get a shot until contracts expire because lots of things can happen. But, there is no need to count on them. That is good. We have some OF depth and some reclamation projects that might surprise ... Escobar, this guy they signed from the Pirates. Spidale could be a good reserve OF too or a super utility guy. HEY ... another reason to trade Harris, Spidale was back working at 2B in the instructional league, just kidding Willie supporters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 Let's say the Sox have a sucessful season though, and Podsednik, Rowand, Dye and Everett put up good numbers for the number of AB's they have. My question is this. Brian Anderson has a great year, and finishes the season as a 40 man call up, after putting up good numbers for the Knights. Do you keep him on the bench for the Sox, or send him back down to Charlotte, and wait until the contract of someone like Dye comes off the books so he can take over every - day? (I'm probably asking something that's too far ahead in the future thoughm but let's see where it goes). <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thats simple, Trade away Dye.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Feb 1, 2005 -> 09:40 AM) You cross that bridge when you come to it. You have options of trading veterans for other needs, etc. Agreed, if that happens it's a good problem to have and Kenny and Ozzie would have to figure out what to do if it comes to that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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