Joe Borchard

[WilliamTell]

Just like everyone, it frustrates me that he had so much praise and potential, but it's never panned out.

[AnthraxFan93]

Originally from day one when we got him was it ever said that he was gonna be our closer or even set-up man? I don't think so.

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After his first good year all I heard about was how if we lost Foulke or Foulke bit the big one he could Close.. now your going to tell me that now one said that?

 

Is this another Carla is our LF things?

[qwerty]

After his first good year all I heard about was how if we lost Foulke or Foulke bit the big one he could Close.. now your going to tell me that now one said that?

 

Is this another Carla is our LF things?

 

It was mentioned that he would be tried out as closer. It was never said he was gonna be as good as gagne, foulke smoltz, etc.

 

Also, everett can play left field ? Or have yuou never watched a game he has played or looked at facts? He can play left field and is losted as a left fielder on other sites than just mlb.com. Some places just list him as of because he can play every outfield position or has in the past. What do you not understand?

[AnthraxFan93]

What do you not understand?

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WHy people think you have credit?

 

It was mentioned that he would be tried out as closer. It was never said he was gonna be as good as gagne, foulke smoltz

 

The point is he was suppose to take over, and failed.. What don't you understand about that?

 

Also, everett can play left field ? Or have yuou never watched a game he has played or looked at facts?

 

Yep watched him attempt to play OF and watched as a 6 year old has better range. Carla does not have the Arm for Right. What does it matter your beloved Carla is behind Dye andBochard for RF and Thomas for the DH.

[qwerty]

The point is he was suppose to take over, and failed.. What don't you understand about that?

Yep watched him attempt to play OF and watched as a 6 year old has better range.  Carla does not have the Arm for Right.  What does it matter your beloved Carla is behind Dye andBochard for RF  and Thomas  for the DH.

 

Borchard will not even be on the f***ing team. Yes, mlb. com is so f***ing incredibly intelligent. Do they know something know one else in the world does? Has he suddenly turned into babe ruth?

 

He will not be behind thomas for the first month or two since thomas will be recovering from injury. Also, he he will be a very good fourth outfielder and like jimh said he will be surprised if he doesn't get at least 450 at-bats this season.

 

Oh, and this.

 

''WHy people think you have credit?''

 

Wtf?

[CanOfCorn]

Please. We used Olivo to get Garcia. Reed hasn't done anything in the majors yet. colon is fat and gone. Jimenez was a cancer. Rauch walked out on his team. Koch was coming off an awesome year.

 

Anthrax...we got it. You don't like Kenny. No problem. But, trades aren't always made for one player. Sometimes it's to get rid of a player *cough*Sosa*cough* sometimes for pieces to another trade. Sometimes for minor league depth. You aren't going to get an impact player EVERY TIME. I bet Kenny's success rate is just about average for general managers and this offseason might have bumped him up a couple notches.

[AnthraxFan93]

Please.  We used Olivo to get Garcia.  Reed hasn't done anything in the majors yet.  colon is fat and gone.  Jimenez was a cancer.  Rauch walked out on his team.  Koch was coming off an awesome year. 

 

Anthrax...we got it.  You don't like Kenny.  No problem.  But, trades aren't always made for one player.  Sometimes it's to get rid of a player *cough*Sosa*cough* sometimes for pieces to another trade.  Sometimes for minor league depth.  You aren't going to get an impact player EVERY TIME.  I bet Kenny's success rate is just about average for general managers and this offseason might have bumped him up a couple notches.

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Dybber, look we have changed players/managers and still the team fails, yet people here think another smoke and mirrors from KW is going to get us a title, and the majority off this board think differently. Look I hope I can eat my words and have a Div title and beyond.. KW, needs to go when you overpay 4 mill for a back-up DH.. you have problems, if this team fails again who is KW going to blame this time?

 

For the record I am all for this new approach.. though it is about 3 years late IMO

[qwerty]

Dybber, look we have changed players/managers and still the team fails, yet people here think another smoke and mirrors from KW is going to get us a title, and the majority off this board think differently.  Look I hope I can eat my words and have a Div title and beyond.. KW, needs to go when you overpay 4 mill for a back-up DH.. you have problems, if this team fails again who is KW going to blame this time? 

 

For the record I am all for this new approach.. though it is about 3 years late IMO

 

What we are paying everettt right now is not hurting us financially so why do you always bring it up? Would you rather have timo and everett or timo and let's say darren bragg, tom goodwin, gene kingsale, chris singelton, etc?

[AnthraxFan93]

What we are paying everettt right now is not hurting us financially so why do you always bring it up? Would you rather have timo and everett or timo and let's say darren bragg, tom goodwin, gene kingsale, chris singelton, etc?

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Really.. funny I thought we had a budget.. I guess we became the yankees and don't have to worry about 4 million. :rolly

[qwerty]

Really.. funny I thought we had a budget.. I guess we became the yankees and don't have to worry about 4 million. :rolly

 

Well you didn't answer my question like i thought. We still have two to three million to spend at the dead line and if the right player is available i wouldn't be surprised if they go higher.

[santo=dorf]

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Feb 1, 2005 -> 12:40 PM)

After McDowell Left the Sox how many games did he win?  He had one good year and then down the drain..

 

Steve Sax? explain that one? you wanted Darrin Fletcher here?

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Jack McDowell won 15 with New York in 1995, and won 13 with Cleveland in 1996. 1996 was the same year that the Sox blew the Wild Card lead in September because they didn't have a fifth starter.

 

The Sox traded Melido Perez, Bob Wickman, and Domingo Jean for a washed up second baseman who batted .236 for the entire year of 1992, and .235 in 57 games in 1993.

 

In 1992, Melido Perez has 10 CG, 218 K's, and had an ERA of 2.87. Bob Wickman is currently the closer for Cleveland, but Jean went on to do nothing after 1993 so that makes the trade even right? Nice Job on that one Ron!

[CanOfCorn]

Really.. funny I thought we had a budget.. I guess we became the yankees and don't have to worry about 4 million. :rolly

 

we could pay $8 million a year for an overrated shortstop by the name of Orlando Cabrera instead and not be out of that contract after this year.

 

C'mon. If not Kenny, who? Billy Beane? John Schuerholz? You think you are going to pry those guys away from their current jobs? For cryin' out loud, let it go. Let's just focus on 2005 and not 1995, alright?

[AnthraxFan93]

Jack McDowell won 15 with New York in 1995, and won 13 with Cleveland in 1996.  1996 was the same year that the Sox blew the Wild Card lead in September because they didn't have a fifth starter.

 

The Sox traded Melido Perez, Bob Wickman, and Domingo Jean for a washed up second baseman who batted .236 for the entire year of 1992, and .235 in 57 games in 1993.

 

In 1992, Melido Perez has 10 CG, 218 K's, and had an ERA of 2.87.  Bob Wickman is currently the closer for Cleveland, but Jean went on to do nothing after 1993 so that makes the trade even right?  Nice Job on that one Ron!

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WHat did Perez do after that? 6 wins followed by 9 with era 5 and 4.. Man I wish we had him then. So we gave up Wickman..

 

McDowell what was his ERA that year in 96.. 5. 11

[santo=dorf]

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Feb 1, 2005 -> 04:29 PM)

WHat did Perez do after that?  6 wins followed by 9 with era 5 and 4.. Man I wish we had him then.  So we gave up Wickman..

 

McDowell what was his ERA that year in 96.. 5. 11

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What does is matter? Steve Sax was horses*** and we gave up way too much for him. You say trading for Roberto Alomar was a bad trade even though two of the guys we gave up were released and the other was left unprotected in the rule 5 draft (Kinda like Magglio back when Schueler was the GM.)

 

I also can't stop laughing at your comment about McDowell's ERA considering you were b****ing about not having Bartolo's 18 wins last season and when people asked you about his ERA being over 5, you said it didn't matter. It's how you finish right?

 

Here's an idea, pick a side and stay with it. You can't keep flip-flopping to make your (wrong) point.

 

back on ignore you go.....

[AnthraxFan93]

What does is matter?  Steve Sax was horses*** and we gave up way too much for him.  You say trading for Roberto Alomar was a bad trade even though two of the guys we gave up were released and the other was left unprotected in the rule 5 draft (Kinda like Magglio back when Schueler was the GM.)

 

I also can't stop laughing at your comment about McDowell's ERA considering you were b****ing about not having Bartolo's 18 wins last season and when people asked you about his ERA being over 5, you said it didn't matter.  It's how you finish right?

 

Here's an idea, pick a side and stay with it.  You can't keep flip-flopping to make your (wrong) point.

 

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I am not the one who flip flops..Your saying that RS made a bad trade for JM I prove you wrong with your own logic.. and I am flip flopping!! Stop I need a tissue from laughing so hard.

 

The point was we gave up Dave Wickman, for steve Sax.. I guess you still can't figure that out.

 

OOO no I getting ignored by you.. big deal I don't have to have reponses from a 2 year old.. oo no.. Keep Kissing the GM ass..without people like you we could have a GM who knows how to build a team.

[Gene Honda Civic]

The point was we gave up Dave Wickman, for steve Sax.. I guess you still can't figure that out.

 

Dave Wickman!??!?!?

[AnthraxFan93]

Dave Wickman!??!?!?

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Sorry Typo.. Does it matter that we gave up nothing to get Sax yet its a bad deal?

[TLAK]

Sorry Typo.. Does it matter that we gave up nothing to get Sax yet its a bad deal?

Bob Wickman has been a MLB pticher for 12 years and has 169 saves to date. That's considerably better than nothing, + Melido Perez. Sax hit .235 with 20 errors at 2b for us. -Its was a very, very bad deal for the White Sox.

[whitesox91403]

Bob Wickman has been a MLB pticher for 12 years and has 169 saves to date.  That's considerably better than nothing,  + Melido Perez.  Sax hit .235 with 20 errors at 2b for us.  -Its was a very, very bad deal for the White Sox.

 

 

It turned out to be a very bad trade, yes. No doubt about it. But, I don't question him doing the trade. Who knew Sax was going to bomb.

 

I still, to this day, don't think that George Bell for Sosa was a bad deal. Long term, of course it was. But for what The Sox needed at that time, it turned out well. The Cubs got a prospect who panned out, it happens all the time.

 

See Jason Varitek from Seattle's system to Boston for Heathcliff Slocumb.

[santo=dorf]

QUOTE(whitesox91403 @ Feb 1, 2005 -> 09:18 PM)

It turned out to be a very bad trade, yes. No doubt about it. But, I don't question him doing the trade. Who knew Sax was going to bomb.

 

I still, to this day, don't think that George Bell for Sosa was a bad deal. Long term, of course it was. But for what The Sox needed at that time, it turned out well. The Cubs got a prospect who panned out, it happens all the time.

 

See Jason Varitek from Seattle's system to Boston for Heathcliff Slocumb.

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Sammy Sosa was not considered a prospect at the time of the trade.

[Yossarian]

Sammy Sosa was not considered a prospect at the time of the trade.

No he was just another schmo, nobody special at all. Until he figured out how to "remake" himself.

[YASNY]

I totally beg to differ. Sosa was one helluva prospect. He had a couple of years of big league experience that hadn't turned out too well. But Sosa was a potential five tool guy and had a ton of talent. That's why Larry Himes traded for him twice. I guess that technically a propect is a minor leaguer, but I feel different about that. A guy that has talent, but hasn't put it together at the big league level is still a propect in my eyes.

 

I believe to many around here want us call up "prospects" too soon, and then are way ... No ... WAY ... too quick to bail out on them when they don't produce like Albert Pujols. I say leave the in the minors ... let them learn how to play the game with their brain as well as their talent ... then bring them up. Keep the from ages 25-31 as arbitration eligible but not free agent eligble players ... and have them through their prime.

[santo=dorf]

We must have different definitions of a "prospect" then because Sammy Sosa was already traded and he spent two full seasons with the Sox before being trade to the Scrubs. "Project?" Maybe. "Prospect?" no.

[YASNY]

We must have different definitions of a "prospect" then because Sammy Sosa was already traded and he spent two full seasons with the Sox before being trade to the Scrubs.  "Project?" Maybe.  "Prospect?" no.

 

 

I thought I covered that in my post.

[qwerty]

Sosa had 449 games and 1757 at-bats in the minors. He hit 35 homeruns (but he never took steroids in his life),.265 average and a .402slg %. Those are not very impressive numbers. Then he was probally an even worse outfielder than he is now. Ouch.