Absolutely, Positively, ASININE

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/breaking_...5p-236111c.html

 

This man is an absolute disgrace to higher education. He's a nutcase who has absolutely no place teaching anything to anybody's kid and the fact a public university has this assclown on its tenured payroll makes me sick.

 

This is hate speech, cut and dried, and that this man still has a job is more proof that hate speech is ok........just so long as it's the right kind.

Edited February 2, 2005 by NUKE_CLEVELAND

[EvilMonkey]

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/breaking_...5p-236111c.html

 

This man is an absolute disgrace to higher education.  He's a nutcase who has absolutely no place teaching anything to anybody's kid and the fact a public university has this assclown on its tenured payroll makes me sick.

 

This is hate speech,  cut and dried,  and that this man still has a job is more proof that hate speech is ok........just so long as it's the right kind.

 

Oh, c'mon Nuke. According to his wife, he just "... tells the truth in a straightforward way, that is perceived as harsh,". How can that be hate speech?

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

His speech at that school in NY has been canceled amid death threats.

 

 

Additionally this guy was just on TV likening criticism of his views as terrorism. Talk about a warped mind.

[Pale Hose Jon]

The Chancellor of his school was right, this is free speech, while i may not agree with the opinion, i have the option of merle not listening to it.

[KipWellsFan]

I don't even understand what he is saying? In what way are Victims of the World Trade Center similar to the Nazis?

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

I don't even understand what he is saying?  In what way are Victims of the World Trade Center similar to the Nazis?

 

 

This is how. ( cut from the article )

 

Churchill, an indigenous issues expert, described the World Trade Center victims as "little Eichmanns," a reference to Adolf Eichmann, who carried out Hitler's plan during World War II to exterminate Jews in Europe.

 

He called Eichmann a technocrat who "crunched numbers" and made the trains that carried Jews to death camps run on time. Churchill said Thursday that those in the Trade Center were technocrats whose work was just as deadly.

 

I dont know how you could have missed that.

Edited February 2, 2005 by NUKE_CLEVELAND

[KipWellsFan]

This is how.  ( cut from the article )

I dont know how you could have missed that.

 

 

I'm obviously not a very good skimmer. :headshake

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

This is worse than I thought at first.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/31/professor.resigns.ap/

 

"Gallant sacrifices" made by "combat teams" ( referring to 9-11 hijackers ). Whooo boy someone needs to get fired and quickly.

[Rex Kickass]

You can say what you want. But it can and sometimes should cost you your job if you're a dumb enough ass to say it at work.

[mreye]

The Chancellor of his school was right, this is free speech, while i may not agree with the opinion, i have the option of merle not listening to it.

Free speech does not mean free from criticism or consequences.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/breaking_...5p-236111c.html

 

This man is an absolute disgrace to higher education.  He's a nutcase who has absolutely no place teaching anything to anybody's kid and the fact a public university has this assclown on its tenured payroll makes me sick.

 

This is hate speech,  cut and dried,  and that this man still has a job is more proof that hate speech is ok........just so long as it's the right kind.

 

And for those that don't know about Ward Churchill -- he's one very pissed off cynical Native American (I've read some of his research regarding COINTELPRO and the FBi during the 50's and 60's)

 

And from the article, he's got a point with this statement: "The overriding question that was being posed at the time was 'why did this happen, why did they hate us so much,' and my premise was when you do this to other people's families and children, that is going to be a natural response."

[YASNY]

Churchill has the right to freedom of speech. But I have the right not to piss on him if he's on fire.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

His response:

 

http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/educatio...3512084,00.html

 

And Nuke, in the same vein of Bill Maher's comments saying that the 9-11 hijackers were indeed not cowardly...Why is blowing something up from an airplane with a bomb so much more "noble" than flying a plane into a building? Both achieve the same results -- one just has more money than the other.

 

War is the terrorism of the rich and terrorism is the war of the poor. -- Pat Buchanan

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

His response:

 

http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/educatio...3512084,00.html

 

And Nuke, in the same vein of Bill Maher's comments saying that the 9-11 hijackers were indeed not cowardly...Why is blowing something up from an airplane with a bomb so much more "noble" than flying a plane into a building?  Both achieve the same results -- one just has more money than the other.

 

War is the terrorism of the rich and terrorism is the war of the poor. -- Pat Buchanan

 

 

Bill Maher should stick to telling jokes and forget about insightful commentary. They were cowards because they deliberately targeted civillians, that's something the US does not do despite your belief to the contrary.

 

Pat Buchannan is a moron and an isolationist. Of course he'd be against the wars we're fighting now.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

Bill Maher should stick to telling jokes and forget about insightful commentary.  They were cowards because they deliberately targeted civillians, that's something the US does not do despite your belief to the contrary.

 

Pat Buchannan is a moron and an isolationist.  Of course he'd be against the wars we're fighting now.

 

You say isolationist like it is a bad thing. Show me where in the Constitution that it is the President's duty to expand the US sphere of influence in European affairs + to be entangled in foreign wars where our interests are not at stake.

 

And Nuke -- My Lai, the Abu Ghraib scandals...there are plenty of incidents where the US has targeted civilians -- going back to WW II, the firebombing of Dresden was targeting of non-military targets and the US was fine with it. And even up to the 1970s (where the record currently goes dry) there were previously classified tests where the Army and CIA DELIBERATELY TARGETED CIVILIANS with toxins, diseases and chemical weapons (i.e. Operation Big City) So please, the US has gassed its own citizens so stop with the feigned righteousness when the US has no higher ground on which to b**** upon.

 

Edited to add a few of the more notable civilian targeting cases:

 

According to former State Department member, William Blum, and the US Army, the US Army has admitted that "between 1949 and 1969, 239 populated areas from coast to coast were blanketed with various organisms during tests designed to measure patterns of dissemination in the air, weather effects, dosages, optimum placement of the sources and other factors." Testing over such areas was supposedly suspended after 1969, but there is no way to be certain. Open air spraying even continued at Dugway Proving Ground in Utah. Here's a list of the places the US government sprayed with dangerous bacterias.

 

Watertown NY area & Virgin Islands: 1950, the Army used aircraft and homing pigeons to drop turkey feathers dusted with cereal rust spores to contaminate oat crops to prove that a "cereal rust epidemic" could be spread as a biological warfare weapon.

 

San Francisco Bay area: Sept. 20-27 1950, 6 experimental biological warfare attacks from the US Army. It began on a ship where the Army used bacillus globugii and serratia marcescens, at one point creating a cloud about two miles long as the ship traveled slowly along the shoreline of the bay. One of the stated objectives of the operation was to study "the OFFENSIVE (emphasis mine) possibilities of attacking a seaport city with a biological warfare aerosol" from offshore. Beginning on September 29, patients at Stanford University's hospital in San Francisco were found to be infected with serratia marcescens. This type of infection had never before been reported at the hospital. Eleven patients became infected and one died. According to a report submitted to a Senate committee by a professor of microbiology at State University of New York at Stony Brook: "an increase in the number of serratia marcescens can cause disease in a healthy person and...serious disease in sick people." Between 1954 and 1967, other tests were carried out in the bay area including some with a base of operations at Fort Kronkhite in Marin County.

 

Minneapolis: 1963, 61 releases of zinc cadmium sulfide in four sections of the city involving massive exposure of people at home and children in school. The substance was later described by the EPA as "potentially dangerous because of its cadmium content" and a former Army scientist, writing in the professional journal "Atmosphere Environment", in 1972, said that cadmium compounds, including zinc cadmium sulfide, are "highly toxic and the use of them in open atmospheric experiments presents a human health hazard." He stated that symptoms produced by exposure to zinc cadmium sulfide include lung damage, acute kidney inflammation and fatty degeneration of the liver.

 

St. Louis: 1953, releases of zinc cadmium sulfide over residential, commercial and downtown areas, including the Medical Arts Building, which presumably contained a number of sick people whose illnesses could be aggrevating by inhaling toxic particles.

 

Washington DC area: 1953, aerial spraying of zinc cadmium sulfate mixed with lycopodium spores from a height of 75 feet. Areas sprayed include the Monocacy River Valley and Leesberg, Virginia...30 miles from the capital. In 1960, the Army conducted 115 open air tests of zinc cadmium sulfate near Cambridge, Maryland. Earlier in the 1960s, the Army covertly disseminated a large number of bacteria in Washington's National Airport to evaluate how easy it would be for an enemy agent to scatter smallpox through the entire country by infecting air passengers. The bacterium used, bacillus subtilis, is potentially harmful to the infirm and the elderly, whose immune system is impaired, and to those with cancer, heart disease or a host of other ailments according to a professor of microbiology at the Georgetown University Medical Center. A similar experiment was carried out at the Washington Greyhound bus terminal. Sometime during Richard Nixon's time in office, the Army "assassinated" him with germs via the White House air conditioning system. At a building used by the Food and Drug Administration surreptitiously placed a (supposedly harmless) colored dye into the water system. Whether anyone suffered harm from drinking a certain quantity of the water is not known.

 

Florida: 1955, the CIA conducted at least one open air test with whooping cough bacteria around the Tampa Bay area. The number of whooping cough cases in Florida from 339 and one death in 1954 to 1080 and 12 deaths in 1955. The Tampa Bay area was one of three places that showed a sharp increase in 1995.

 

Savannah, Georgia and Avon Park, Florida: 1956-58, The Army, wishing to test "the practicality of employing aedes aegeypti mosquitos to carry a biowarfare agent", released over hundreds of thousands, if not millions of this mosquito which can be a carrier of yellow fever and dengue fever, both dangerous diseases. The Army stated that the mosquitos were uninfected but prominent scientists said that, for several reasons, the experiment was not without risk and was a "terrible idea." The actual effects on the targeted population will probably never be known.

 

New York City: 1956, a CIA-Army team sprayed New York streets and Holland and Lincoln Tunnels using trick suitcases and a car with a dual muffler.

June 6-10, 1966, The Army report of this test was called "A Study of the Vulnerability of Subway Passengers in New York City to Covert Attack with Biological Agents". Trillions of bacillus subtilis variant niger were released into the subway system during rush hours. One method was to use light bulbs filled with the bacteria; those were unobtrusively shattered at sidewalk level on subway ventilating grills or tossed onto the roadbeds inside the stations. Aerosol clouds were momentarily visible after the release of bacteria from the light bulbs. The report noted that "When the cloud engulfed people, they brushed their clothing, looked up at the grating apron and walked on." The wind of passing trains spread the bacteria along the the tracks; in the same time it took for two trains to pass, the bacteria were spread from 15th Street to 58th Street. It will never be known how many people later became ill from being unsuspecting guinea pigs but the United States Army exhibited not the slightest interest in this question.

 

Chicago: 1960s, the Chicago subway system was the scene of a similar Army experiment.

 

Stockyards: November 1964-January 1965, The Army conducted aerosol tests over stockyards in Texas, Missouri, Minnesota, South Dakota, Iowa and Nebraska using "anti-animal non biological stimulants". It's not clear why stockyards were chosen or what effect this might have had on the meat consumed by the public.

 

Nuremburg: The International Military Tribunal at Nuremburg, Germany 1946-1949, revealed many details of the Nazi medical experiments on involuntary subjects, leading the judges to create a set of principles known as the Nuremburg Code...a bill of rights for people participating in medical experimentation. The Code's first tenet states: "The voluntary consent of the subject is absolutely essential." Very shortly thereafter, the US Army-CIA testing program began and although the tests, of course, were nowhere near as grotesque as those of the Nazis, and the subjects of the tests were not humans as such, but rather the behavior of certain substances in the air, the fact remains that the testers knew that untold numbers of humans were being directly contaminated and none of the reports of the tests mentions a word about obtaining the consent of any of these humans. If the testers did not "know" that the contaminating substances were potentially dangerous it can only be because they didn't investigate this question, which is saying the same thing as they didn't know because they didn't WANT to know.

 

Face to Face Human Experimentation: For the human experimentation, the various government agencies appear to have chosen as their subjects primarily those who had the least political clout, such as servicemen and women, conscientious objectors, prison inmates, blacks, the poor, mentally retarded, the elderly, the young, mental patients..."It's a little cockail. It'll make you feel better." Helen Hutchinson recalled the doctor telling her in July 1946, during a visit to the Vanderbilt University Hospital Prenatal Clinic. It didn't make her feel better at all. It contained radioactive iron. She was one of 829 people to receive various amounts of the potion over a two year period. Both Hutchinson and the daughter she carried went on to suffer a lifetime of strange ailments. Hutchinson's hair fell out at one point, she suffers from pernicious anemia and she is highly sensitive to sunlight. Her daughter, now grown, suffers from an immune system disorder and skin cancer. In 1999, the American public might have learned something. When it was disclosed the government organization in Los Alamos National Labratory was going to release a strain of bacteria into the atmosphere to test new biowarfare detectors, the public outcry against it stopped it from happening. One resident said at the public hearing: "If the bacteria is so safe, why don't you release it into the office of some one in Washington DC?"

source: Rogue State by William Blum

Edited February 2, 2005 by LowerCaseRepublican

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

You say isolationist like it is a bad thing.  Show me where in the Constitution that it is the President's duty to expand the US sphere of influence in European affairs + to be entangled in foreign wars where our interests are not at stake.

 

And Nuke -- My Lai, the Abu Ghraib scandals...there are plenty of incidents where the US has targeted civilians -- going back to WW II, the firebombing of Dresden was targeting of non-military targets and the US was fine with it.  And even up to the 1970s (where the record currently goes dry) there were previously classified tests where the Army and CIA DELIBERATELY TARGETED CIVILIANS with toxins, diseases and chemical weapons (i.e. Operation Big City)  So please, the US has gassed its own citizens so stop with the feigned righteousness when the US has no higher ground on which to b**** upon.

 

Remember the last time we tried being Isolationist? It was the 20's & 30's

 

In the 20's Isolationism led to massive tarriffs that were a big factor behind the great depression. In the 30's we stood around and did nothing while Hitler built his war machine and started taking over his neighbors. Do people like you and Buchannan not learn from history or do you choose to ignore its lessons?

 

Non military targets in Dresden? I do seem to remember there was a significant amount of military industry in that town. Nice try.

 

The 3 events you mentioned were regrettable incidents that ran contrary to our laws and morals and those responsible were punished. Fine with it? I think not. Again.. Nice try.

 

I'd leave it up to you to defend some asshole who calls victims of a terrorist attack "NAZIS".

Edited February 2, 2005 by NUKE_CLEVELAND

[LowerCaseRepublican]

Remember the last time we tried being Isolationist?  It was the 20's & 30's

 

In the 20's Isolationism led to massive tarriffs that were a big factor behind the great depression.  In the 30's we stood around and did nothing while Hitler built his war machine and started taking over his neighbors.  Do people like you and Buchannan not learn from history or do you choose to ignore its lessons?

 

Non military targets in Dresden?  I do seem to remember there was a significant amount of military industry in that town.  Nice try.

 

The 3 events you mentioned were regrettable incidents that ran contrary to our laws and morals and those responsible were punished.  Fine with it?  I think not.  Again..  Nice try.

 

Nuke -- "Isolationism" worked from the inception of the country until we decided to get involved in empire during the Philippine wars. And there is nobody like Hitler around in the world so your point is moot because the "isolationist" doctrine is that war is wrong unless our national interests are at stake. Foreign interventions for the sake of a foreign intervention are not in our interest. To have a state of endless war only means more government, more taxation and more authoritarianism [all of things I *thought* Republicans were against]

 

"There are a good many Americans who talk about an American century in which America will dominate the world. . . . If we confine our activities to the field of moral leadership we shall be successful if our philosophy is sound and appeals to the people of the world. The trouble with those who advocate this policy is that they really do not confine themselves to moral leadership. They are inspired by the same kind of New Deal planned-control ideas abroad as recent Administrations have desired to enforce at home. In their hearts they want to force on these foreign people through the use of American money and even, perhaps, arms, the policies which moral leadership is able to advance only through the sound strength of its principles." -- Senator Taft

 

As for Dresden -- In fact, little had been done to provide the ancient city of artists and craftsmen with anti-aircraft defenses. One squadron of planes had been stationed in Dresden for awhile, but the Luftwaffe decided to move the aircraft to another area where they would be of use. A gentlemen's agreement seemed to prevail, designating Dresden an "open city." Historians unanimously agree that Dresden had no military value. What industry it did have produced only cigarettes and china. Cigarette factories...oh s***!

 

And by punishments for My Lai -- do you mean how the leader was acquited? Just saying.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

Nuke -- "Isolationism" worked from the inception of the country until we decided to get involved in empire during the Philippine wars.  And there is nobody like Hitler around in the world so your point is moot because the "isolationist" doctrine is that war is wrong unless our national interests are at stake.  Foreign interventions for the sake of a foreign intervention are not in our interest. To have a state of endless war only means more government, more taxation and more authoritarianism [all of things I *thought* Republicans were against]

 

"There are a good many Americans who talk about an American century in which America will dominate the world. . . . If we confine our activities to the field of moral leadership we shall be successful if our philosophy is sound and appeals to the people of the world. The trouble with those who advocate this policy is that they really do not confine themselves to moral leadership. They are inspired by the same kind of New Deal planned-control ideas abroad as recent Administrations have desired to enforce at home. In their hearts they want to force on these foreign people through the use of American money and even, perhaps, arms, the policies which moral leadership is able to advance only through the sound strength of its principles." -- Senator Taft

 

As for Dresden --  In fact, little had been done to provide the ancient city of artists and craftsmen with anti-aircraft defenses. One squadron of planes had been stationed in Dresden for awhile, but the Luftwaffe decided to move the aircraft to another area where they would be of use. A gentlemen's agreement seemed to prevail, designating Dresden an "open city."  Historians unanimously agree that Dresden had no military value. What industry it did have produced only cigarettes and china.  Cigarette factories...oh s***!

 

And by punishments for My Lai -- do you mean how the leader was acquited?  Just saying.

 

 

This book.......reviewed and lauded by everyone who is anyone in book review begs to differ.

 

http://www.harpercollins.com/global_script...isbn=0060006765

 

If they failed to defend a city of that much importance then that's their own blunder.

 

Lt. Cally..........acquited? More like he was convicted and sentenced to life in prison even though he only ended up serving a few years of his sentence.

 

Again........how is this relevant to this professor asshole calling victims of terrorist attacks "NAZI'S".