Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 OK, it's only Canseco, but according to ProSportsWeekly this morning, there's a NY Daily News article that will be explosive: "You've never seen Jose Canseco like this: Huddled in a bathroom stall at the Oakland Coliseum, jabbing a hypodermic needle into Mark McGwire's bare behind... In "Juiced: Wild Times, Rampant 'Roids, Smash Hits and How Baseball Got Big" Canseco claims he personally injected some of the biggest names in baseball - including Rafael Palmiero, Juan Gonzalez and Ivan Rodriquez, among others - with performance enhancing drugs." OMG, the lawyers are gonna get rich over the lawsuits, I would think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 This is going to get interesting ... and very nasty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 From the same article: "During the great home run race of 1998, a reporter's accidental discovery of androstenedione in McGwire's locker, may not have been an accident. Canseco says he believes McGwire put the bottle of the steroid "pre-cursor" in his locker so it would be found, thus creating a smokescreen for his extensive use of illegal steroids. Andro, recently criminalized, was legal at the time." ---It certainly seems "convenient" that the Andro would be found in his locker esp when all the reporters crowd around his stall to talk w/ him. most of what Canseco says should be taken w/ a grain of salt. Yet I bet a lot of guys are dirty, who won't like this light being shed on them. How they respond to the questions and accusations should be more telling than what canseco alone says Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 Maybe Scott Bora$$ should start a new career as a lawyer. Definitely not the last we've heard on this subject though, and it won't be for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 Speaking of steroids, looks like the Yanks are taking measures for voiding deals; In an effort to make voiding deals easier in the future, the Yankees have added Jason Giambi and Kevin Brown clauses to their contracts in the offseason. Problems ''caused by or related to the abuse, misuse or use of steroids'' or inflicting injury upon oneself can now result in a Yankee's contract being voided, assuming the player is making more than he's worth, of course. Next year, expect a Tony Womack clause giving the Yankees the ability to void any deals that were just plain stupid right from the beginning. Feb. 6 - 5:36 am et Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Feb 6, 2005 -> 07:23 AM) This is going to get interesting ... and very nasty. I thought the mlb was gonna be able to pay him off. But in all honesty i do not mind having a clue some what of who else to steoids besides the obvious canidates. I mean who really would put on palmiero and i-rod in their lists of players they thought who took steroids. If true, i-rod really shocks me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 lf found true about Palmerio, that's going to kill his career. Though he has 500 HRs, people still question his chances of getting into the HOF. These results may take care of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 He admitted to taking them long ago did he not..? Isn't he the one that outed Ken..?I know the stuff about others is new (and so out of line, IMO) but him taking them isn't new news that I recall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 QUOTE(Al Lopez's Ghost @ Feb 6, 2005 -> 07:14 AM) OK, it's only Canseco, but according to ProSportsWeekly this morning, there's a NY Daily News article that will be explosive: "You've never seen Jose Canseco like this: Huddled in a bathroom stall at the Oakland Coliseum, jabbing a hypodermic needle into Mark McGwire's bare behind... In "Juiced: Wild Times, Rampant 'Roids, Smash Hits and How Baseball Got Big" Canseco claims he personally injected some of the biggest names in baseball - including Rafael Palmiero, Juan Gonzalez and Ivan Rodriquez, among others - with performance enhancing drugs." OMG, the lawyers are gonna get rich over the lawsuits, I would think. What would be the basis of the lawsuits if Canseco's account of the facts is true? I wonder if his time on the White Sox is going to bear any information. While I disagree with Canseco writing this book, I know I'm going to read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 Jose Canseco is the male equivalent of an aging bimbo who can't deal with the fact that nobody fawns over her anymore. He's a pathetic attention whore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 QUOTE(Al Lopez's Ghost @ Feb 6, 2005 -> 07:14 AM) OK, it's only Canseco, but according to ProSportsWeekly this morning, there's a NY Daily News article that will be explosive: "You've never seen Jose Canseco like this: Huddled in a bathroom stall at the Oakland Coliseum, jabbing a hypodermic needle into Mark McGwire's bare behind... In "Juiced: Wild Times, Rampant 'Roids, Smash Hits and How Baseball Got Big" Canseco claims he personally injected some of the biggest names in baseball - including Rafael Palmiero, Juan Gonzalez and Ivan Rodriquez, among others - with performance enhancing drugs." OMG, the lawyers are gonna get rich over the lawsuits, I would think. We did you get the article that says he personally injected them? I have found this article. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/278255p-238313c.html Swollen ex-slugger Jose Canseco lays waste to the game that made him famous in a shocking new book, outing several stars as steroid abusers, the Daily News has learned. The book, "Juiced: Wild Times, Rampant 'Roids, Smash Hits, and How Baseball Got Big," published by Regan Books and scheduled to hit bookstores Feb. 21, already is causing a firestorm in baseball circles. Players, agents, union officials and Major League Baseball executives have been burning up the phone lines over the past several days trying to find information about the book's contents. "Hoo boy," one top major league executive said. "This is going to be bad." Canseco apparently dropped the title he told reporters a year ago he would use, "Dare to Truth." The longtime Oakland star, who made a brief appearance with the Yankees in 2000, claims he introduced steroids to the game and injected fellow Bash Brother Mark McGwire in the rear end numerous times in clubhouse bathroom stalls. He also describes watching disgraced Yankee slugger Jason Giambi and McGwire injecting each other when they both played with the Oakland A's, and says he personally taught All-Star and potential Hall of Famers Ivan (Pudge) Rodriguez, Rafael Palmeiro and Juan Gonzalez to use 'roids after he was traded to the Texas Rangers in 1992. Canseco claims the team's general managing partner at the time - an aspiring politician named George W. Bush - had to have been aware that his players were using performance-enhancing drugs but did nothing about it. White House spokesman Ken Lisaius declined to comment on the allegations, but he noted that President Bush called on players and owners during his 2004 State of the Union address to get rid of steroids and applauded the beefed-up drug policy Major League Baseball and the Players Association agreed to in December. "This President's position on steroids has been clear for some time," Lisaius said. The book is an homage to steroids, and Canseco says that he not only used them, but that all players should. He concedes that kids shouldn't use them and no one should abuse the muscle-building drugs, but Canseco practically offers a how-to guide to steroids and human growth hormone. He also says he never would have made it to the major leagues - much less become the 1988 American League MVP - without their help. Canseco, who played for seven teams before retiring last spring after an unsuccessful comeback attempt with the Los Angeles Dodgers, is not likely to be received warmly by many of his old teammates. He harshly criticizes baseball's double standard for white players and says that both owners and the Players Association were complicit in the spread of steroids in the late 1990s. The book, which is still being edited, dishes plenty of dirt about the wild life of a young, rich ballplayer with a healthy sexual appetite, among other shocking revelations, but also talks about the harsh treatment he and his brother received from their father, and the painful death of their mother. Perhaps the biggest shock in the book? Canseco says he never slept with Madonna. They made out in her Manhattan apartment one night, he claims, but that's as far as it went. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted February 6, 2005 Author Share Posted February 6, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Feb 6, 2005 -> 09:58 AM) We did you get the article that says he personally injected them? I have found this article. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/278255p-238313c.html Qwerty, it was an excerpt only, from ProSportsDaily.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babybearhater Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 I like the fact that two of those players are on division rivals....maybe some rammifications of this story will be evident in their playing time, or careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 QUOTE(The Critic @ Feb 6, 2005 -> 09:49 AM) Jose Canseco is the male equivalent of an aging bimbo who can't deal with the fact that nobody fawns over her anymore. He's a pathetic attention whore. As much as I love a good "he's dirty" story, it takes more than Canseco's testimony for me to believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 6, 2005 -> 12:13 PM) As much as I love a good "he's dirty" story, it takes more than Canseco's testimony for me to believe. Tex and Critic are right on. This smacks of a washed up pop star doing a playboy shoot to revive themselves. :sleep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 Anyone else see the title and was hoping that it was Maggs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxmatt Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 I am surprised I-rod's name is mentioned. I would never have suspected he was on roids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Feb 6, 2005 -> 01:51 PM) Anyone else see the title and was hoping that it was Maggs... "Ex-Sox Player Admits to Steroids." Sounds more like the title of a Tribune article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 hold a grudge much jeckle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxmatt @ Feb 6, 2005 -> 02:06 PM) I am surprised I-rod's name is mentioned. I would never have suspected he was on roids. All though with the massive amount of injuries he suffered, I guess it would make sense... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Feb 6, 2005 -> 07:51 PM) Anyone else see the title and was hoping that it was Maggs... NO, because he was an ex Sox player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 Stars deny canseco's steroid allegations. RALEIGH, N.C. - Accusations by former baseball slugger Jose Canseco that he used steroids with several top players, including home run king Mark McGwire, are being strongly denied. The Daily News of New York reported that Canseco, in a book to be published later this month entitled “Juiced: Wild Times, Rampant ’Roids, Smash Hits, and How Baseball Got Big,” alleges that several of his former Oakland and Texas team mates used performance-enhancing drugs. They include McGwire and current players Jason Giambi, Ivan Rodriguez, Rafael Palmeiro and Juan Gonzalez. McGwire said in a statement to the Daily News on Monday: “I have always told the truth and I am saddened that I continue to face this line of questioning. “With regard to this book, I am reserving comment until I have the chance to review its contents myself.” Palmeiro also denied that he used steroids. "I categorically deny any assertion made by Jose Canseco that I used steroids," Palmeiro said in a statement. "At no point in my career have I ever used steroids, let alone any substance banned by Major League Baseball. As I have never had a personal relationship with Canseco, any suggestion that he taught me anything, about steroid use or otherwise, is ludicrous." “I am in shock. Surprised. He is saying things that are not true, and it pains me much that he says such things because I have always had much respect for him, and moreover, I helped him many times when things weren't going well for him”, Rodriguez said in the Puerto Rican newspaper El Nuevo Dia. “I have never needed any of that. I am not a home run hitter. Why would I use that? To continue hitting doubles?” added Rodriguez, a 14-year veteran of the major leagues and MVP of the American League in 1999. Rodriguez led the Florida Marlins to the World Series title in 2003. The newspaper said Canseco, who is retired, claims that he, McGwire and Giambi injected steroids together in the bathroom stalls at Oakland Coliseum and that he also injected Rodriguez, Palmeiro and Gonzalez after he was traded to Texas. Tony La Russa, who coached McGwire and Canseco at Oakland in the 1980s, denied the accusations. “I am absolutely certain that Mark earned his size and strength from hard work and a disciplined lifestyle,” La Russa, now manager of the St. Louis Cardinals, told The New York Times. La Russa said in an interview with the San Francisco Chronicle he believed Canseco was writing the book because “he needs the money” and “he’s jealous as hell” of McGwire, his former Oakland team mate. McGwire, who hit a then-major league record 70 home runs in 1998 with the Cardinals, has admitted to using androstenedione, a testosterone-producing supplement, which was available over the counter and was legal in baseball at that time. He has denied using other steroids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Feb 8, 2005 -> 04:09 PM) Stars deny canseco's steroid allegations. I wonder if Jose's accusations are true about Palmiero. I also wonder if it ultimately lead Raffy into becoming a Viagra spokesman. Aren't steriods supposed to cause disfunction and/or shrinkage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 I was talking to a friend who works legal in the sports industry earlier today.. she mentioned that the publisher very likely had investigators checking out Jose's stories and that there's got to be some sort of evidence otherwise they would have the potential to be sued out the wazoo for defamation. Not that Jose has much credibility.. but ya gotta wonder what kind of evidence there is that they would be so confident in distributing the book.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxman352000 Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Feb 6, 2005 -> 08:27 PM) "Ex-Sox Player Admits to Steroids." Sounds more like the title of a Tribune article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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