Parting shots from Maggs

[WHITESOXRANDY]

Jaggs wasn't all about the money. He felt loyalty to the Sox and Sox fans - that's why he accepted their 5 year $70 million offer. Oops!

 

It's not like Konerko or Dye would be easy to sign or accept a tad less to play where they want to. Oops!

 

Jaggs said he wanted to stay in Chicago so that's why he accepted the Cubs 2 year incentive based offer like Garciaparra. Oops !

 

Jaggs went to the best situation for him. A team that lost 119 games the year before last and a park where has hit .250 with 1 homer in his career. Oops!

 

I wish people would quit calling Jagglio greedy.

[Dick Allen]

I'm still trying to find where he is doing all his crying in this article. He just states he's happy in Detroit, and that KW didn't think he could play, there are very few quotes in this article. We will all see for ourselves who was right and who was wrong. For those writing off Magglio because he is going to a more pitcher friendly park, remember Robin Ventura who went from a hitter's paradise to a hitter's graveyard in Shea Stadium, and had his finest offensive season.

[AngelasDaddy0427]

At least we get to see him be a .260, .270 hitting DH for the rest of his career without the power. He will end up being an Edgar Martinez like player.

[DBAHO]

I'm still trying to find where he is doing all his crying in this article. He just states he's happy in Detroit, and that KW didn't think he could play, there are very few quotes in this article. We will all see for ourselves who was right and who was wrong. For those writing off Magglio because he is going to a more pitcher friendly park, remember Robin Ventura who went from a hitter's paradise to a hitter's graveyard in Shea Stadium, and had his finest offensive season.

Ventura is probably just an exception to the norm I'd say. If you looked at the players who have changed teams over the past few seasons, players who have moved from a hitters park to a pitchers park would have their stats decrease about 75% of the time at least.

[Texsox]

Once again another All-Star caliber player leaves the Sox on less than nice terms. Wow, what a surprise. The Sox have been competitive exactly once going after a top 5 free agent. The team's PR group has to have a better response than "we cannot afford him" so they help the fans to turn on the player.

 

Last time I looked the Sox were not a charity. Maggs played hard the entire time he was here. He was our only consistent All-Star and easily one of our top three players. The team tried to defer payments for 20 years according to the last offer. Based on his deal with the Tigers, which came after Maggs worked out for them, that 5/70 offer was well below his market value. But even with that didn't Maggs say he would take 5/70 if the money wasn't defered until 2025?

 

People point to Vlade, but look at Beltre, he signed for more and has done less in his career.

 

The US has the longest approval process of any country before a drug or treatment is authorized. People have been going over seas for new and innovative procedures for a long time. There are Doctors in other coutries. Shocking as it is. There are actual hospitals and everything. They don't use leeches and treat illness by having a barber practice bloodletting.

[AnthraxFan93]

"I don't think someone would sign me for seven years if my knee wasn't all right," Ordonez said. "That's one of the reasons I didn't sign back with Chicago. Kenny was burying me, saying my knee was not OK. It feels good to have an owner and a general manager who treat you like this."

 

 

You mean to tell me that he didn't like being treated like an endanger servant? What you mean the Great KW.. actually did this? NOOOOO Never .. Mags, came out with the truth again, you people don't like it.. its that simple. The people that are ripping on mags reminds of some other fans on the other side of town that turned on their "superstar". Lets not become like them, time to blame the real problem in this mess.. KW.

[DBAHO]

Once again another All-Star caliber player leaves the Sox on less than nice terms. Wow, what a surprise. The Sox have been competitive exactly once going after a top 5 free agent. The team's PR group has to have a better response than "we cannot afford him" so they help the fans to turn on the player.

 

Last time I looked the Sox were not a charity. Maggs played hard the entire time he was here. He was our only consistent All-Star and easily one of our top three players. The team tried to defer payments for 20 years according to the last offer. Based on his deal with the Tigers, which came after Maggs worked out for them, that 5/70 offer was well below his market value. But even with that didn't Maggs say he would take 5/70 if the money wasn't defered until 2025?

 

People point to Vlade, but look at Beltre, he signed for more and has done less in his career.

 

The US has the longest approval process of any country before a drug or treatment is authorized. People have been going over seas for new and innovative procedures for a long time. There are Doctors in other coutries. Shocking as it is. There are actual hospitals and everything. They don't use leeches and treat illness by having a barber practice bloodletting.

Beltre actually only signed a 5 year $62 million deal. He plays third base, a position where it's much harder to find good players, is 4 years younger than Maggs, so he's yet to hit his prime, and put up uber offensive numbers in a real pitchers park in Dodgers Stadium.

 

To me, it doesn't matter what Maggs has done over the past few seasons. He'll be 37 by the time this deal ends, if it is a 7 year deal, and he'll be making about $15 to $18 million in the last few years of that deal. What about Carlos Delgado, with that horribly backloaded contract? Remember if Maggs had indeed signed that 5 year 70M deal, we wouldn't have Dye, we probably wouldn't have Hernandez or Pierzynski either. I think the free agent additions have made this lineup a whole lot deeper, and the team is better off than having Maggs back.

 

Also looking back on this off-season, I wouldn't call Ordonez a top 5 Free Agent. Doesn't it say something, that he was the last major league big name to sign a deal? I just don't agree with the contract, because of the numbers he's likely to put up, and when I look at other deals like Vlad's, it's makes him look vastly underpaid or Ordonez vastly overpaid, whichever way you want to put your spin on it.

[DBAHO]

You mean to tell me that he didn't like being treated like an endanger servant?  What you mean the Great KW.. actually did this? NOOOOO Never  .. Mags, came out with the truth again, you people don't like it.. its that simple.  The people that are ripping  on mags reminds of some other fans on the other side of town that turned on their "superstar". Lets not become like them, time to blame the real problem in this mess.. KW.

So would you have been in favor of resigning Ordonez for the deal Detroit's offering?

[AnthraxFan93]

So would you have been in favor of resigning Ordonez for the deal Detroit's offering?

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Yep, as you said... we would not have been able to sign Dye.. I say to you..

 

 

THANK FA_KING GOD.. Who wants to place a bet that Maggs will play more games then Dye will this year?

[Texsox]

I am not going to find fault in a player wanting to get the best contract he can. I also will not find fault in a team not being able to afford that contract and moving in other directions. What is asinine is instead of accepting that simple truth, we get this PR b.s. battle between the team and the ex-player. He got a better offer and moved on. The Sox found cheaper puzzle pieces and moved on.

 

I'm wondering why the same fans that are ripping Maggs for wanting the best contract he could get, aren't ripping Hermanson for turning down the last offer his team offered and signing with the Sox? Isn't he a greedy SOB like Maggs?

 

It's all relative. A guy out of work, thinks someone making $50,000 is greedy for quiting and going to a company offering $60,000. That guy thinks the CEO who is making $3,000,000 and complaining is being greedy.

 

Personally, I think every player is grossly overpaid based on their contribution to society.

[AngelasDaddy0427]

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Feb 7, 2005 -> 08:43 AM)

Yep, as you said... we would not have been able to sign  Dye.. I say to you..

THANK FA_KING GOD.. Who wants to place a bet that Maggs will play more games then Dye will  this year?

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I'll take that bet. I'll also bet Dye has a higher Average and more HR's.

I'll also bet that Maggs plays less then a third of his games in RF and winds up being the DH, which once again proves there was no room for him here because we already have a DH.

[DBAHO]

Yep, as you said... we would not have been able to sign  Dye.. I say to you..

THANK FA_KING GOD.. Who wants to place a bet that Maggs will play more games then Dye will  this year?

Who wants to bet that Dye will have more HR's and RBI's than Maggs this season, for less than half the price? And, we wouldn't have signed other FA's if we did resign Maggs like I pointed out earlier.

[AnthraxFan93]

I am not going to find fault in a player wanting to get the best contract he can. I also will not find fault in a team not being able to afford that contract and moving in other directions. What is asinine is instead of accepting that simple truth, we get this PR b.s. battle between the team and the ex-player. He got a better offer and moved on. The Sox found cheaper puzzle pieces and moved on.

 

I'm wondering why the same fans that are ripping Maggs for wanting the best contract he could get, aren't ripping Hermanson for turning down the last offer his team offered and signing with the Sox? Isn't he a greedy SOB like Maggs?

 

It's all relative. A guy out of work, thinks someone making $50,000 is greedy for quiting and going to a company offering $60,000.  That guy thinks the CEO who is making $3,000,000 and complaining is being greedy.

 

Personally, I think every player is grossly overpaid based on their contribution to society.

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Dude Right fa-king on..

[DBAHO]

I am not going to find fault in a player wanting to get the best contract he can. I also will not find fault in a team not being able to afford that contract and moving in other directions. What is asinine is instead of accepting that simple truth, we get this PR b.s. battle between the team and the ex-player. He got a better offer and moved on. The Sox found cheaper puzzle pieces and moved on.

 

I'm wondering why the same fans that are ripping Maggs for wanting the best contract he could get, aren't ripping Hermanson for turning down the last offer his team offered and signing with the Sox? Isn't he a greedy SOB like Maggs?

 

It's all relative. A guy out of work, thinks someone making $50,000 is greedy for quiting and going to a company offering $60,000.  That guy thinks the CEO who is making $3,000,000 and complaining is being greedy.

 

Personally, I think every player is grossly overpaid based on their contribution to society.

I'd rather have cheaper puzzle pieces that fill more holes, than 1 expensive puzzle piece with a major risk long - term. I know what you're trying to say Tex, if a player leaves a team for a big offer, there's bound to be backlash from supporters, it's inevitable. I'm just saying for Detroit it's a bad deal, not for Maggs though.

[Steff]

Where in the hell did Kenny "bury" him...? He didn't say anything other than the Sox had not seen Maggs medical records. Kenny never said Maggs wasn't better.. he said he didn't know. Nice bulls*** spin by Maggs though.

[AnthraxFan93]

Who wants to bet that Dye will have more HR's and RBI's than Maggs this season, for less than half the price? And, we wouldn't have signed other FA's if we did resign Maggs like I pointed out earlier.

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I take that bet in a heartbeat.. Unless DYE, can turn back time and be in 2000 form, he aint going to hit s***. .275/20/75.. if he stays in the lineup

[Steff]

I am not going to find fault in a player wanting to get the best contract he can. I also will not find fault in a team not being able to afford that contract and moving in other directions. What is asinine is instead of accepting that simple truth, we get this PR b.s. battle between the team and the ex-player. He got a better offer and moved on. The Sox found cheaper puzzle pieces and moved on.

 

I'm wondering why the same fans that are ripping Maggs for wanting the best contract he could get, aren't ripping Hermanson for turning down the last offer his team offered and signing with the Sox? Isn't he a greedy SOB like Maggs?

 

It's all relative. A guy out of work, thinks someone making $50,000 is greedy for quiting and going to a company offering $60,000.  That guy thinks the CEO who is making $3,000,000 and complaining is being greedy.

 

Personally, I think every player is grossly overpaid based on their contribution to society.

 

 

I'm ripping him because he's an effing liar. Plain and simple.

[DBAHO]

I take that bet in a heartbeat.. Unless DYE, can turn back time and be in 2000 form, he aint going to hit s***.  .275/20/75.. if he stays in the lineup

Jermaine Dye last season hitting in Oakland (a big pitchers park)

.265, 23 HR's 80 RBI's.

He doesn't need to turn back the clock (although that would be nice), all he needs to do is to stay healthy, cut down on the K's and he'll produce. He's not going to decrease in power numbers moving to the Cell.

[Texsox]

I'd rather have cheaper puzzle pieces that fill more holes, than 1 expensive puzzle piece with a major risk long - term. I know what you're trying to say Tex, if a player leaves a team for a big offer, there's bound to be backlash from supporters, it's inevitable. I'm just saying for Detroit it's a bad deal, not for Maggs though.

 

I agree. I just don't understand why a simple, it wasn't working, we are heading in different directions. Instead we have this pr battle that is stupid.

[Steff]

I agree. I just don't understand why a simple, it wasn't working, we are heading in different directions. Instead we have this pr battle that is stupid.

 

 

 

You're right.. it is. And look who started it? Kenny was nothing but nice to Maggs. Even at Soxfest pouring on the Magglio love. And this is the return on that..?

 

Class... well.. I'll agree with the last 3 letters.

[southsider2k5]

All I gotta say is that is a sad day in Chicago when Sammy Sosa can leave the Cubs with more class than Maggs can leave the Sox.

[DBAHO]

I agree. I just don't understand why a simple, it wasn't working, we are heading in different directions. Instead we have this pr battle that is stupid.

And Maggs should take most of the blame for that I think. KW didn't rip him at SoxFest when he very well could have, and I think that suprised a lot of people (considering the things KW has done in the past media wise). This isn't your normal free agent leaving scenario either, there were a lot of circumstances to play out.

[lvjeremylv]

Um..does this surprise any of you?

 

Anyone who didn't realize that Magglio is a total loser obviously hasn't been paying attention in recent years. The guy is worthless, and I laughed my ass off when I heard what kind of contract those morons in Detroit gave him.

 

Absolutely laughable.

[Texsox]

You're right.. it is. And look who started it? Kenny was nothing but nice to Maggs. Even at Soxfest pouring on the Magglio love. And this is the return on that..?

 

Class... well.. I'll agree with the last 3 letters.

 

Read the article. Which quote was so bad? He's praising his new club. He points out that Kenny didn't feel his knee was solid. Gee, just like almost everyone here. Where did we get that idea from? From his Doctors? No, most people here are accepting what the Sox have said about his knee.

[Steff]

Read the article. Which quote was so bad? He's praising his new club. He points out that Kenny didn't feel his knee was solid. Gee, just like almost everyone here. Where did we get that idea from? From his Doctors? No, most people here are accepting what the Sox have said about his knee.

 

 

Is there a reason you think there was a need to tell me to read the article..??

 

 

 

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"I don't think someone would sign me for seven years if my knee wasn't all right," Ordonez said. "That's one of the reasons I didn't sign back with Chicago. Kenny was burying me, saying my knee was not OK. It feels good to have an owner and a general manager who treat you like this."

 

 

I can't speak for anyone else but when a person hides surgery from their employer, and lies about it, and tells a trainer on his employers payroll to hide it... that's where I get that there was/is something wrong with his knee. I buy the Sox story. Mainly because Maggs has done nothing to dispute it.