Maggs real health status from him and his agent

[TLAK]

As I recall the I Rod contract did stipulate that if he was on the DL due to his back prolems. I think the Maggs contract specified the left knee. Let's be cynical...what if his knee is hurting and he doesn't want to blow the contract. He just twists his ankle and the team puts him on the DL due to it and not the knee.

 

I've seen patients who break a bone in thier ankle on an ATV on Sat. wrap it up, sneak into work on Mon and claim workers comp so  they lose money. I'm not saying he would but if I was the Tigers I would watch everything closely. 75-105 million is alot of money.

Side bar, my brother was a plumber building a hospital and the GC started having all the trades do Fue Shung or whatever its called, first thing in the AM. You know you have to stand on one foot and stretch, then the other etal. Everyone thought it was just BS until they found guys all torn up from softball or brawls couldn't do it. Doh!

[Guest JimH]

Fue Shung or whatever its called, first thing in the AM.  Doh!

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I had this at an all nite Chinese joint with an egg roll and some of that hot mustard stuff ... absolutely outstanding after a night of partying.

 

Oops, maybe we're not talking about the same thing here ...

[JUGGERNAUT]

I'm done with Maggs. We discussed this at dinner tonight. Remember Gonzo & CLE that year? They had talked during that offseason & Gonzo assured them he would not accept arbitration so they offered it any ways & got the picks when he signed elsewhere.

 

Maggs says he was waiting for the Sox to offer arbitration .. now after the fact. What prevented him from calling KW up & saying go ahead & offer me arbitration. If your medical staff doesn't think I'll be ready to play I'll decline it. You have my word on that. The picks will be my parting gift to the Sox. If you think I'll be ready to play it will give me until late Feb to decide to accept.

 

It just makes no sense that a player who was offered a 58/4 deal after the edema was discovered would choose arbitration over that deal. The Sox would have gladly restructured the 58/4 to give Maggs an out clause after 1 yr & the 14.5M is more than he would get in arbitration.

 

Logic & common sense are on KW's side here. Maggs may not be a liar per-se but he certainly lacks sincerity.

[Steff]

I'm done with Maggs.  We discussed this at dinner tonight.  Remember Gonzo & CLE that year?  They had talked during that offseason & Gonzo assured them he would not accept arbitration so they offered it any ways & got the picks when he signed elsewhere.

 

Maggs says he was waiting for the Sox to offer arbitration .. now after the fact. What prevented him from calling KW up & saying go ahead & offer me arbitration.  If your medical staff doesn't think I'll be ready to play I'll decline it.  You have my word on that.  The picks will be my parting gift to the Sox.  If you think I'll be ready to play it will give me until late Feb to decide to accept. 

 

It just makes no sense that a player who was offered a 58/4 deal after the edema was discovered would choose arbitration over that deal.  The Sox would have gladly restructured the 58/4 to give Maggs an out clause after 1 yr & the 14.5M is more than he would get in arbitration. 

 

Logic & common sense are on KW's side here.  Maggs may not be a liar per-se but he certainly lacks sincerity.

 

 

I know you said you're done but I want to ask you a question.. don't you think the Sox had the right to know BEFORE they offer arbitration the results of Maggs surgery..? Don't you think they should have gotten that info first...?

 

Also.. it was 4/60 by the way.

[JUGGERNAUT]

I know you said you're done but I want to ask you a question.. don't you think the Sox had the right to know BEFORE they offer arbitration the results of Maggs surgery..? Don't you think they should have gotten that info first...?

 

Also.. it was 4/60 by the way.

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It's tough navigating betw the two threads. I posted the link to the offer mentioned in April in the Southtown. That says close to the 14M he was making in 04. 58/4 is 14.5M/yr so I think that's where that figure came from.

 

If you have time check out the Dec link I posted in the other thread. Weil reports specifically that Maggs did not want him to tell the White Sox what they discussed.

I agree wholeheartedly with you that if he was sincerely waiting for the Sox to make an arbitration offer he would have asked Weil to share his good news with the Sox.

Especially given Thomas' involvement because Frank could make a stronger case for Maggs both in front of KW & JR.

 

That link is an eye-opener. He now charges KW tried to bury him by questioning his ability to play next year at a time when Maggs himself was scared he would never play again.

 

The word Jagbag is coming to mind

[witesoxfan]

I know you said you're done but I want to ask you a question.. don't you think the Sox had the right to know BEFORE they offer arbitration the results of Maggs surgery..? Don't you think they should have gotten that info first...?

 

Also.. it was 4/60 by the way.

 

 

Steff...do you know if any of that 60 was deferred?

[YASNY]

Jugger ... the main flaw in your scenario is that you assume Beane would have traded Hudson to the Sox. That is one hell of an assumption. To begin with, he got Hudson out of the AL and does not have to worry about Hudson beating him in the playoffs. You are also assuming that he'd be willing to take on Carlos Lee's contract, which I find very unlikely. Then you have to consider the players he received vs. the players he might have been able to get out of the Sox. The Hudson scenario is so unlikely that it doesn't make a compelling argument.

[Steff]

Steff...do you know if any of that 60 was deferred?

 

According to Jerry, none of it.

[lvjeremylv]

Jugger ... the main flaw in your scenario is that you assume Beane would have traded Hudson to the Sox.  That is one hell of an assumption.  To begin with, he got Hudson out of the AL and does not have to worry about Hudson beating him in the playoffs.  You are also assuming that he'd be willing to take on Carlos Lee's contract, which I find very unlikely.  Then you have to consider the players he received vs. the players he might have been able to get out of the Sox.  The Hudson scenario is so unlikely that it doesn't make a compelling argument.

Very good points. When a team makes a trade, it's common for fans to think about their favorite team and say "Hey, the __ could have given them a better package than that, why didn't they?". I am guilty of this sometimes.

 

In the case of the Tim Hudson and Mark Mulder trades, I think it's very obvious why the A's traded him. They realized that they were going to be a free agents soon (after 2005, I believe), and that there was 0 chance of them keeping them, so they figured they'd trade them now and start the season off with the newly acquired players in their organization. And the reason they didn't get any big names in return is simple - if Beane wanted to trade them because he couldn't afford them, why would he get high-priced players in return? That would defeat the purpose of making the trades in the first place.

 

So, to suggest that we could have traded Carlos Lee in a package for either one of them may sound good on the surface, but you must consider the circumstances behind both of the trades. If Beane was willing to take on a near-$10M a season player, he'd just dig a little deeper into his pockets and re-sign one of the aces that he traded away for prospects.

 

Bring the A's to Las Vegas - we'll make them a contender.

[JUGGERNAUT]

Jugger ... the main flaw in your scenario is that you assume Beane would have traded Hudson to the Sox.  That is one hell of an assumption.  To begin with, he got Hudson out of the AL and does not have to worry about Hudson beating him in the playoffs.  You are also assuming that he'd be willing to take on Carlos Lee's contract, which I find very unlikely.  Then you have to consider the players he received vs. the players he might have been able to get out of the Sox.  The Hudson scenario is so unlikely that it doesn't make a compelling argument.

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The Sox had three very tradeable players for the A's : Rowand, Lee, & Garland.

As I said earlier the Sox would have included cash so Lee for Hudson cash wise would be a wash. Based had expressed a desire to get Lee last year. He was mentioned in trade rumors.

 

The problem with looking back is timing. The Sox had already traded Lee & picked up Hernandez before Hudson made his deadline date. So KW probably would have had to pay a higher price to get it done before the Hernandez signing. Afterwards he still had Garland & Rowand to use. Again both had been rumored in A's trades in the past. Without Lee the cost is higher in prospects but then you are getting Hudson in return.

 

As for a Mulder I am glad that KW did not pursue him. The risk is much higher than Hudson. Beane choose to keep Zito because he's the most durable of the 3. Which brings us back to Hernandez. If you maximize his rest betw starts with what the schedule affords your looking at the best quality start man on the 05 Sox staff. If they can somehow get 30 starts out him only 7 or 8 are likely to be bad. But I fear Ozzie is just going to treat him like everyone else & he'll be on the shelf by Aug. Even in that scenario at least they'll start strong while Thomas is getting ready.

[YASNY]

The Sox had three very tradeable players for the A's : Rowand, Lee, & Garland.

As I said earlier the Sox would have included cash so Lee for Hudson cash wise would be a wash.  Based had expressed a desire to get Lee last year.  He was mentioned in trade rumors. 

 

The problem with looking back is timing.  The Sox had already traded Lee & picked up Hernandez before Hudson made his deadline date.  So KW probably would have had to pay a higher price to get it done before the Hernandez signing.  Afterwards he still had Garland & Rowand to use.  Again both had been rumored in A's trades in the past.  Without Lee the cost is higher in prospects but then you are getting Hudson in return.

 

As for a Mulder I am glad that KW did not pursue him.  The risk is much higher than Hudson.  Beane choose to keep Zito because he's the most durable of the 3.  Which brings us back to Hernandez.  If you maximize his rest betw starts with what the schedule affords your looking at the best quality start man on the 05 Sox staff.  If they can somehow get 30 starts out him only 7 or 8 are likely to be bad.  But I fear Ozzie is just going to treat him like everyone else & he'll be on the shelf by Aug.  Even in that scenario at least they'll start strong while Thomas is getting ready.

 

Still ..... it's was a longshot.