Farnsworth to Tigers

[Wise Master Buehrle]

Here you go.

[Melissa1334]

The Tiggers got Farnsworth,Man guys i hate too say this but there getting kinda of scary,I-ROD,Maggs,Gullen,Troy Persaval(sorry its spelled wrong),Urbina,now Farns and a young pitching staff.

Bonderman is their ace (look at his stats) farnsworth has no movement on his pitches, Percival has a bum arm, maggs has a bum knee. detroit and Maggs.... :fyou

[Chisoxfn]

True about the good year, bad year history for Farnsworthless.

BUT:

He's never switched leagues before. A whole new crop of players to try to learn about.

Plus, he's retarded. That makes learning new things difficult for him.

He's already 29 years old, and inconsistent as hell.

It could work out for the Tiggs, but it's just YET ANOTHER gamble for them.

Technically speaking, him joining a new league tends to be more adventageous for a pitcher, while it can be detrimental to a hitter. So I'd say switching leagues will actually benefit Farnie. However I also think the AL Central is a very good fastball hitting division. I know the Sox tend to be a good fastball hitting team.

[BridgeportHeather]

The Tiggers got Farnsworth,Man guys i hate too say this but there getting kinda of scary,I-ROD,Maggs,Gullen,Troy Persaval(sorry its spelled wrong),Urbina,now Farns and a young pitching staff.

 

I dunno about that...Farnsie gave many Cub fans cardiac arrest this past year...He doesn't seem to have the same "stuff" he previously had...or he could just be getting lazy. Perhaps the later could be the problem.

[Gene Honda Civic]

Technically speaking, him joining a new league tends to be more adventageous for a pitcher, while it can be detrimental to a hitter.  So I'd say switching leagues will actually benefit Farnie.  However I also think the AL Central is a very good fastball hitting division.  I know the Sox tend to be a good fastball hitting team.

When Farns is good, it's not the FB that get ya. It's the Slider.

[Jabroni]

His brother Jeff is with the Nationals now.  I'm not sure how he's going to take to this move.  I'd still prefer him on the Sox over Adkins.

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Yep, and Jeff Farnworth was actually with the Tigers before he went to the Nationals. Maybe the Tigers like The Farns Brothers?

Wow, really?

 

While I don't expect the PTBNL to be much, this is Hendry (IMHO) second s***ty deal regarding a relief pitcher in two years.

 

The first mistake was getting s*** for Juan Cruz, who will now be a reliable arm with the Oakland Athletics, as well as (perhaps) a chance to spot start every now and then.

 

And now this -- jack squat for Farnsy.

 

Unfortunate, though, that Farnsy has to be in our division now, just incase he does realize his vast potential...

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The PTBNL from the Cubs will most likely be David Kelton. He isn't likely to make the opening day roster and he is already out of options. If he doesn't make the 25-man roster he becomes a free agent anyways.

[Jabroni]

"Down on the Farn

Traded to Detroit, Kyle Farnsworth is the latest controversial Cub to be relieved of his duties this off-season"

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...ack=1&cset=true

The Cubs might not be done dealing with the Tigers. They'll probably scout reliever Ugueth Urbina during spring training, knowing the Tigers are likely to trade their former closer after signing formerAnaheim closer Troy Percival this off-season.

[santo=dorf]

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Feb 9, 2005 -> 09:27 PM)

Yep, and Jeff Farnworth was actually with the Tigers before he went to the Nationals.  Maybe the Tigers like The Farns Brothers?

 

The PTBNL from the Cubs will most likely be David Kelton.  He isn't likely to make the opening day roster and he is already out of options.  If he doesn't make the 25-man roster he becomes a free agent anyways.

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I thought a PTBNL can't be on the 40 man roster?

[qwerty]

I thought a PTBNL can't be on the 40 man roster? 

 

 

I don't believe so.

 

Quite often, you'll read that a player has been traded to another team for "a player to be named later."

 

There are two restrictions at work here. First, the transaction must be completed within six months. And second, the player named later can't have played in the same league as the team he's being traded to. That's why the player named later is almost always a minor leaguer.

 

And what if the teams can't agree on who that player will be? This happens rarely, but if no names are agreed upon initially, the clubs will agree on a price to paid in lieu of a player.

 

Sometimes, at the time of the deal the team receiving the player will provide the other club a list of minor leaguers, and later the club will have their pick of the players on that list. This list is negotiated at the time of the trade. In recent years, the Minnesota Twins lost Enrique Wilson this way. When it came time for Cleveland to make their choice, the Twins did what they could to "hide" Wilson, but the Indians found him anyway.

 

Finally, sometimes "Player to be named later" is used to trade players on the Disabled List, since it can be embarrassing for a club to trade for a guy who's on the DL.

[santo=dorf]

It's been 6 months since the Roberto Alomar trade, who are we giving up?

[Gene Honda Civic]

It's been 6 months since the Roberto Alomar trade, who are we giving up?

The Roberto trade was performance based. -- PTBNL or Cash -- The .180/.203/.246 he put up in 60 Ab's shouldn't cost us a player.

[witesoxfan]

The Roberto trade was performance based. -- PTBNL or Cash -- The .180/.203/.246 he put up in 60 Ab's shouldn't cost us a player.

 

I wanna make a Timo Perez comment here...but he already played with the Mets in the NL

[witesoxfan]

  Bonderman is their ace (look at his stats)

 

Looking at his stats...in the second half of last year, Bonderman was 5-7 3.70 ERA 1.10 WHIP K/9 of about 9, K/BB of about 3, and a .211 BAA...that is not good?

 

farnsworth has no movement on his pitches

 

He still cost very little for them. Low-risk, high-reward.

 

Percival  has a bum arm

 

As proven by his 2.90 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, K/9 of 6, K/BB of 2, and his 33 saves last year.

 

They are apparently a lot better then you give them credit for. They will probably finish around 75 wins, if not more...they do have a legit shot at contending. It's not likely, but it's possible.

 

Slowly and quietly, the AL Central is improving. I'd probably rank it as the second best division in the AL, just behind the AL West(where all 4 teams could be quite solid)...I view the AL East as very top heavy...there is not much after New York and Boston.

[Chisoxfn]

Merged this topic with the main one.

[santo=dorf]

Wite, Bonderman second half road stats:

 

53.2 IP, 4.02 ERA, 1.17 WHIP.

 

Not too bad. Of course he dominated the Devil Rays twice in September, so if he eliminate those starts for the hell of it, it comes down to 37.2 IP, 5.26 ERA, 1.27 WHIP.

 

These pitchers are all a product of Comerica Park, and can't beat quality teams on the road. That's why I don't see the Tigers as a threat next year.

 

Percival has lost velocity, his K/9 rate is WAY down, and his OBP was above .300 for the first time since 2000. He'll love Comerica Park like the rest of the Tigers' pitchers.

[qwerty]

Wite, Bonderman second half road stats:

 

53.2 IP, 4.02 ERA, 1.17 WHIP. 

 

Not too bad.  Of course he dominated the Devil Rays twice in September, so if he eliminate those starts for the hell of it, it comes down to 37.2 IP, 5.26 ERA, 1.27 WHIP.

 

These pitchers are all a product of Comerica Park, and can't beat quality teams on the road.  That's why I don't see the Tigers as a threat next year.

 

Percival has lost velocity, his K/9 rate is WAY down, and his OBP was above .300 for the first time since 2000.  He'll love Comerica Park like the rest of the Tigers' pitchers.

 

Percival was still hitting 95, 96, 97 in the game i watched in september. Did he lose velocity over the winter?

[YASNY]

Percival was still hitting 95, 96, 97  in the game i watched in september. Did he lose velocity over the winter?

 

Billy Koch disease.

[qwerty]

Billy Koch disease.

 

No more steroids?

[YASNY]

No more steroids?

 

Koch? ... I really doubt it.

[qwerty]

Koch? ... I really doubt it.

 

You don't lose that many miles an hour out of the blue. I definitely think he is a candidate for taking them

[YASNY]

You don't lose that many miles an hour out of the blue. I definitely think he is a candidate for taking them

 

Maybe. But the dude never looked like he was on them. Loss of velocity can be attributed to messed up mechanics that he could never get right again, or a frayed rotator cuff or some other type of arm ailment.

 

For the record though, I vehemently disagree with someone throwing around steroid allegations without anything to base it on. If there was "smoke" in his case, I'd be ok with talking about the possibility of "fire".

[qwerty]

Maybe.  But the dude never looked like he was on them.  Loss of velocity can be attributed to messed up mechanics that he could never get right again, or a frayed rotator cuff or some other type of arm ailment. 

 

For the record though, I vehemently disagree with someone throwing around steroid allegations without anything to base it on.  If there was "smoke" in his case, I'd be ok with talking about the possibility of "fire".

I am willing to bet alot more pitchers take them than people think. Does not mean they have to turn out to look like freaks like sosa, bonds, giambi, etc. Basically all i was doing is throwing it out there a possibilty and it is a possibility without anything to base it on.

 

It is just speculation on my part.

[YASNY]

I am willing to bet alot more pitchers take them than people think. Does not mean they have to  turn out to look like freaks like sosa, bonds, giambi, etc. Basically all i was doing is throwing it out there a possibilty and it is a possibility without anything to base it on.

 

It is just speculation on my part.

 

I agree that there are propbably more players, pitchers and non-pitchers, using them than people think. I just don't think it's right to arbitrarily pin this accusation on a particular individual without something more substantial.

[DBAHO]

The thing is with Percival he doesn't throw a lot of innings, so he can't really close everyday. That's why they need to keep Urbina around in my opinion, although Farnsworth isn't the worst insurance to have.

[Gene Honda Civic]

The thing is with Percival he doesn't throw a lot of innings, so he can't really close everyday. That's why they need to keep Urbina around in my opinion, although Farnsworth isn't the worst insurance to have.

*** Newsflash ***

 

We've got the same issues here on the southside...

 

Shingo threw 62 Innings last year, the most since throwing 79 in 1997. In between, he logged more than 50 IP only once, and that was only 51.2 in 2001.

 

He seemed to be getting a little tired at the end of the season, although I think Ozzie learned his lesson in using him for more than 1 inning.

 

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