bjm676 Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Additionally, the Tigers have agreed to terms on minor league contracts with righthanded pitchers Jason Grilli and Mike James. Both pitchers will be invited to major league camp. http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/d...r_det&fext=.jsp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Wow. They must have seen something they liked, like putting Tigers runs on the board. Thing is, that doesn't happen when he's picthing FOR your team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Damn, that means two pitch Diaz is our 6th starter right now. Ouch. Hopefully BMac keeps on his quick path to the majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Yup, the new article on the main White Sox site confirms that Grilli did not accept a minor league invite from the Sox, and now news he's accepted the same type of contract with the Tigers. Grilli must've thought he'd get a better opportunity there. Also in this article, it's said that Williams will not invite Campos to spring traning as a non roster invitee. http://whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/cws/new...s_cws&fext=.jsp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Damn, that means two pitch Diaz is our 6th starter right now. Ouch. Hopefully BMac keeps on his quick path to the majors. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Agree, ouch. It is now looking like Hermanson is the emergency starter and they'd bring someone up from the minors to fill a bullpen spot if necessary. They need some starting pitching depth ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Feb 9, 2005 -> 12:24 PM) Agree, ouch. It is now looking like Hermanson is the emergency starter and they'd bring someone up from the minors to fill a bullpen spot if necessary. They need some starting pitching depth ... Please excuse my ignorance here, but did you ever feel comfortable when Jason was on the mound? He seemed like a great guy, but I don't think he ever showed major league stuff. IMHO, I'd rather test out some minor leauge arms anywho. Who knows, maybe one of the fellas from the minors comes up and impresses. I think we're better with a Hermanson/minor leauger combo than Grilli. Just asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Myself, I would rather have Diaz on the mound than Grilli...thats just me though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Hermanson & not Diaz is the 6th starter. Some analysts have him challenging Garland this ST for the 5th spot. I haven't given up on Cotts yet. If we needed an emergency starter that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Feb 9, 2005 -> 12:21 PM) Yup, the new article on the main White Sox site confirms that Grilli did not accept a minor league invite from the Sox, and now news he's accepted the same type of contract with the Tigers. Grilli must've thought he'd get a better opportunity there. Also in this article, it's said that Williams will not invite Campos to spring traning as a non roster invitee. http://whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/cws/new...s_cws&fext=.jsp I wonder if this means that Adkins will go back to starting at AAA? The Knight rotation should look something like Diaz Munoz Yofu Stewart Campos Right? This could also open up a spot for Bull at Charlotte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Feb 9, 2005 -> 01:30 PM) Please excuse my ignorance here, but did you ever feel comfortable when Jason was on the mound? He seemed like a great guy, but I don't think he ever showed major league stuff. IMHO, I'd rather test out some minor leauge arms anywho. Who knows, maybe one of the fellas from the minors comes up and impresses. I think we're better with a Hermanson/minor leauger combo than Grilli. Just asking. As it's been said, Grilli was never really 100% last year. We never got to see what he could actual do. This move shouldn't hurt us, but it does suck to think we lost a little of that security. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Feb 9, 2005 -> 12:30 PM) Please excuse my ignorance here, but did you ever feel comfortable when Jason was on the mound? He seemed like a great guy, but I don't think he ever showed major league stuff. IMHO, I'd rather test out some minor leauge arms anywho. Who knows, maybe one of the fellas from the minors comes up and impresses. I think we're better with a Hermanson/minor leauger combo than Grilli. Just asking. As a starter, I would rather give Grilli a run and see if his arm comes back or not. Diaz just doesn't have the stuff or pitches to make it as a starter. There is no doubt in my mind his future is in the pen as a set up guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Feb 9, 2005 -> 12:33 PM) As it's been said, Grilli was never really 100% last year. We never got to see what he could actual do. This move shouldn't hurt us, but it does suck to think we lost a little of that security. Ok, that's just about where I am on the situation. It was nice to have him come up and eat some innings, but I never truly felt like he put us in a position to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Please excuse my ignorance here, but did you ever feel comfortable when Jason was on the mound? He seemed like a great guy, but I don't think he ever showed major league stuff. IMHO, I'd rather test out some minor leauge arms anywho. Who knows, maybe one of the fellas from the minors comes up and impresses. I think we're better with a Hermanson/minor leauger combo than Grilli. Just asking. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not really, I never was comfortable with anyone they trotted out there as a #5. Somtimes the guys they had at #4 as well. Nah ... it was just I thought Grilli was finally healthy at year's end and IMO his raw stuff is way better than anyone else they have in AAA. I'm a little perturbed he took the same minor league invite from the Tigers vs. the White Sox, but looking at the Tiger starting pitching depth, he has a better shot to make the team there. I would've liked to see them keep him for depth, but it is what it is. Tigers must've noticed that great game Grilli threw against them in September. Some of this will sort itself out next month, because some retread or minor league guy will impress and he'll be first in line if one of the starters goes down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 QUOTE(EvilJester99 @ Feb 9, 2005 -> 06:31 PM) Myself, I would rather have Diaz on the mound than Grilli...thats just me though. I agree, of all the #5s we put out there last year, at least Diaz did well sometimes, even awesome a few times. I can't really say that about anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Diaz got his ass handed to him most of the time as a starter, Grilli was basically just as bad. Here is the other angle to this ... Guillen praised Grilli - his attitude, aggressiveness, his stuff, especially after that game vs. Detroit. He (Guillen) had very little positive to say about Diaz as a starter, and in fact pretty much said he doesn't have what it takes to be a major league starter. Those observations don't mean Guillen is 100% correct and his word is the be-all, end-all, but I just do not see Diaz as a guy they'll turn to. It appears the way things are being run, if Guillen does not have confidence in a player to get the job done, someone else is brought in (see Willie Harris example). Heck, Diaz may be in Japan this year for all we know. I am surprised Williams hasn't brought in a little competition and/or depth, and IMO that is a mistake. There is still time to do it but not much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Well I mean I would rather see Diaz coming out of the pen more so than Grilli. Diaz just needs some seasoning and I think he could be a solid bullpen guy... esp. if he adds a pitch to his current pitches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 I have learned that whenever Ozzie says something about a player, the 'organization' feels the complete opposite.......or at least acts like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Since Grilli is technically not a White Sox player anymore as soon as this deal occured, isn't this thread also non-Pale Hose talk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjm676 Posted February 9, 2005 Author Share Posted February 9, 2005 QUOTE(sox-r-us @ Feb 9, 2005 -> 01:18 PM) Since Grilli is technically not a White Sox player anymore as soon as this deal occured, isn't this thread also non-Pale Hose talk? Then shouldn't the Magglio talk be as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Tee Ball stand takes his 7 ERA road show to the tigers. LOL One born every minute. They also signed 37 year old Mike James. To bad Mike Jackson is retired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakes Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Feb 9, 2005 -> 01:29 PM) Tee Ball stand takes his 7 ERA road show to the tigers. LOL One born every minute. They also signed 37 year old Mike James. To bad Mike Jackson is retired. It's also too bad Rick White got picked up by the Pirates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 I have learned that whenever Ozzie says something about a player, the 'organization' feels the complete opposite.......or at least acts like it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not sure I agree with this. Guillen w/Harris = Iguchi brought in. Guillen on Diaz's ability as a starter = Diaz moves to the pen. Guillen concerned w/Garland's progress = Garland pushed down to #5. Guillen lamenting the lack of good fundamental baseball = Lee traded and new leadoff hitter brought in. Guillen concerned about bullpen = Hermanson and Vizcaino brought in. Personally I think Ozzie has quite a bit of say so down there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Feb 9, 2005 -> 01:29 PM) Tee Ball stand takes his 7 ERA road show to the tigers. LOL One born every minute. They also signed 37 year old Mike James. To bad Mike Jackson is retired. Minor league contracts are really no risk. Its a pretty cheap way to get a look at someone for the duration of spring training. ELo was acquired by the Sox this way, and he came up big. Grilli was a top prospect, and maybe he'll feel great this spring and fulfill his earlier potential. James was a pretty good pitcher before he was injured. Its worth it to see if he recovered from his injuries. If they don't pan out, its really nothing lost to Detroit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Minor league contracts are really no risk. Its a pretty cheap way to get a look at someone for the duration of spring training. ELo was acquired by the Sox this way, and he came up big. Grilli was a top prospect, and maybe he'll feel great this spring and fulfill his earlier potential. James was a pretty good pitcher before he was injured. Its worth it to see if he recovered from his injuries. If they don't pan out, its really nothing lost to Detroit. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Agree. White Sox should do more of this, not sure why they're not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Feb 9, 2005 -> 02:27 PM) Agree. White Sox should do more of this, not sure why they're not. They usually do. They had plenty of them the last few years. This year with the roster pretty well set, there really isn't much incentive to come here on one of those type of contracts. There just aren't many opportunities to be had here. They did get invites out to some of our not as deep spots behind the plate and at SS, but that is about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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