Butter Parque Posted February 11, 2005 Author Share Posted February 11, 2005 I could say whatever I want about their heart. It was another big UNC game and another big UNC loss. This time though, they were the "so-called" better team. If they were so much better, they would have found a way to win the game or at least shoot the ball in the last 18 seconds. It was funny watching UNC in their game before they faced Duke (it was either against FSU or NC State) and I saw them with their flashy dunks and their showboating as they were up by 25, and I remember thinking to myself that they would be in for a rude awakening in a few nights, and I was right on the money. Why shouldn't I make those kind of comments against a team as classless as North Carolina. When Duke is up by 20-30 points, you don't see them doing fancy dunks like they were playing "Streetball". I thought that "locked up" comment towards Rashad McCants was fitting for a person with no class such as himself; from the throat slashing gestures to the comparisons of college to prison. I have news for him, if it wasn't for Matt Doherty recruiting him, he probably would have found his way into a prison. I believe that my "heart and chemistry over talent and depth" was right on the money. As we all knew, UNC had the talent and the depth to win the game, but where was the heart to pull out the game in the end, or the chemistry to stop committing turnover after turnover. After took the high-paced game away from them, they had no clue what to do. I would really like to see UNC advance in the ACC Tournament as well as the NCAA's but I don't see it as possible. They've had this core group for 3 years now and every year has been the same, big expectations leading to bitter dissapointment with an early exit in the NCAA Tournament. I see nothing different in UNC from last year to this year. If I had to compare UNC to anyone in sports, I'd have to compare them to the White Sox of the last couple years; tons of talent, but no heart and no chemistry, leading to no playoff apperances. My pipe dream is that we face UNC in the final four or the National Championship, but as it looks right now, it seems that Duke has a better shot then UNC, no talent and all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimpy2121 Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Wow, Duke wins by 1 (at home) and you think Duke is gona win a national championship. You sound like every other Duke fan I know. But then again, you were the one that said that Duke was under-rated and doesnt get any respect so nothing really suprises me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Ah yes, now I remember why I hate Duke. They have the most arrogant fans in all of basketball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 I was going to post on this. But how do you argue with ignorance and apparent racism? if it wasn't for Matt Doherty recruiting him, he probably would have found his way into a prison. McCants should be in prison because he scowls alot huh? I guess its fine that Shelden Williams raped a girl and JJ Redick is a pothead though right? I don't want to spoil your ignorance, but you might want to read this article. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writ...1117/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 LOL @ Parque! On a neutral court, UNC dominates Duke. (And I'm a fan of neither team.) Duke arrogance at its finest right there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Whoever said there was some time on the clock left when the ball went out of bounds was right. http://www.secret.cc/terps/timeonclock.jpg Not that it matters, fouling and free throws would have probably ended it, but interesting none the less. There was also 5 seconds that ticked off the clock after Dockery was called for travel. http://www.secret.cc/terps/travel1.jpg http://www.secret.cc/terps/travel2.jpg All in all, the refs were more than fair, timekeeping was off, but it likely wouldn't have mattered much. But that 6.9 seconds gone overall could have help, we will never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 QUOTE(Butter Parque @ Feb 10, 2005 -> 06:34 PM) My pipe dream is that we face UNC in the final four or the National Championship, but as it looks right now, it seems that Duke has a better shot then UNC, no talent and all. Yes, and Duke is a team that got beat by an unranked Maryland (in NC no less) -- as I see it you've got no room to make any sort of comments about national championships. And could Duke have more of a creampuff schedule? Tennessee Martin (at Cameron) Davidson (essentially a home game) UNC Greensboro (at Cameron) Valpo (Finally a goddamn away game) Toledo (at Cameron) Illinois Chicago (at Cameron) Oklahoma (away game) Clemson (at Cameron) Princeton (at Cameron) Temple (at Cameron) NC State (away) Virginia (Cameron) Miami (away) Florida State (away) Maryland (Cameron) VA Tech (Cameron) Wake (OMG FINALLY A DECENT TEAM! -- away) GA Tech (Cameron) UNC (Cameron) Maryland (away) VA Tech (away) Wake (Cameron) GA Tech (away) St. John's (away) Miami (Cameron) UNC (away) They better have a goddamn winning record playing only a small handful of decent teams (read: UNC & Wake) And if you're wondering, I'm a fan of IlliNo1s since I go to the school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 (edited) It is complete and utter bulls*** that duke's stength of schedule on this site anyway is fourth in the ncaa. Wtf? http://www.kenpom.com/rpi.php They are also 15th in the pomeroy ratings on that site. Edited February 11, 2005 by qwerty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Its such a miraculous job coach K is doing with this team that has no talent. I mean, only 6 Mickey D's AA's on the team? Poor poor K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Oops. I forgot Michigan St. So Duke plays 3 good teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Feb 10, 2005 -> 06:58 PM) Ah yes, now I remember why I hate Duke. They have the most arrogant fans in all of basketball. Ouch........you guys are killing me here. Butter, you honestly got to stop with this no respect stuff. Anyways, palehose this duke team has talent but they aren't one of the more talented teams in college basketball this year, I think that's why people are saying that but your point is well taken. Either way, depending on the bracket(obviously) I think they're a sweet 16 team at best, maybe elite 8 if they get a favorable bracket. As palehose knows I haven't been that high on UNC this year and I still don't think they're a final four team but that's jmo. Palehose, tell me if you think this is a fair assessment about their defense: to me it seems like they're pretty good on the ball defenders but they have some problems getting through screens, defending backcuts, etc. That's something that I've noticed from watching them, that they obviously have the athletisicm to be a good defensive team but at times they have problems with the communication aspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Yep Rowand they definitely have problems getting through screens, I think it has to do with communication. They have great athleticism and some great on-ball defenders like Felton and Manual, but they still don't communicate. I don't want to call them dumb, just not equipped well with basketball IQ unlike normal Roy recruits. I understand your point Rowand that Duke doesn't have the depth of talent they usually have. But they have Shav(#1 recruit in his class), Shelden(top 10 in class), Ewing(top 20), Redick(top 15), Nelson(top 15), Dockery(top 25), and even Melchionni, and McClure were top 70 recruits. I certainly don't think they have any less talent than probably 20 of the top 25 teams in the poll's. Depth is a problem though compared to the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 QUOTE(Palehosefan @ Feb 10, 2005 -> 10:07 PM) Yep Rowand they definitely have problems getting through screens, I think it has to do with communication. They have great athleticism and some great on-ball defenders like Felton and Manual, but they still don't communicate. I don't want to call them dumb, just not equipped well with basketball IQ unlike normal Roy recruits. I understand your point Rowand that Duke doesn't have the depth of talent they usually have. But they have Shav(#1 recruit in his class), Shelden(top 10 in class), Ewing(top 20), Redick(top 15), Nelson(top 15), Dockery(top 25), and even Melchionni, and McClure were top 70 recruits. I certainly don't think they have any less talent than probably 20 of the top 25 teams in the poll's. Depth is a problem though compared to the past. I totally agree, I think people are just used to seeing Duke have top 5 talent level but this year they don't. They're obviously still a talented team, just not as talented as past duke teams. Like I said I understand your point about Coach K though, he's been getting a ton of praise for this supposed non talent team he has on the court and trust me I do love Mike but some times ESPN goes a bit overboard, who am I kidding---Sometimes they go overboard?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AssHatSoxFan Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 i hope everyone gets to read the article on page 2 about the cameron crazies jumping the shark and i must say i couldnt agree more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 QUOTE(AssHatSoxFan @ Feb 10, 2005 -> 10:51 PM) i hope everyone gets to read the article on page 2 about the cameron crazies jumping the shark Why would Duke fans want to beat up Greg Norman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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